nick2008:
As Rog…there should be paper in the head + 1 roll spare the only requirement is enough paper. normally that means to do 1, 2 or 3, 24hr print outs any thing that vosa or plod want they would download as it would be easier for them to do that and then upload onto their system giving instant infringements rather than getting the abacus out
not true
there does not need to be any paper in the head unit at all, the law requires that you should have enough to do a print out if required, it does not state where the aforementioned paper should be kept
What to do when you’re on duty
When you’re driving a vehicle equipped with a digital tachograph, you should always:
ensure the tachograph is calibrated
ensure the tachograph is working properly
need to have paper I to ensure its working IE printing
take reasonable steps to make certain that your card is free from dirt or damage
use only your own driver smart card
insert your card in the correct slot - for more information, see the page in this guide on what is a digital tachograph?
record the country where your daily work period begins and ends
carry sufficient supplies of type-approved print roll for printouts and manual record-keeping on board
manually record all duties performed with the card removed
use the mode button correctly to record all other periods of work such as breaks and rest, availability and other work
ensure that the card is not removed from the tachograph unless otherwise authorised
be able to produce any charts or manual records on request at the roadside
be able to produce your card at the roadside if requested
takemehome:
As ROG said earlier in the post it only states that you carry enough, that’s all it says, it is left to you to decide how much is enough and there are no fines associated to not having enough.
does is state anywhere that you are required to use them ie if VOSA pulled you and wanted a printout, is there any legal obligation for you to use your own personal property?
nick2008:
As Rog…there should be paper in the head + 1 roll spare the only requirement is enough paper. normally that means to do 1, 2 or 3, 24hr print outs any thing that vosa or plod want they would download as it would be easier for them to do that and then upload onto their system giving instant infringements rather than getting the abacus out
not true
there does not need to be any paper in the head unit at all, the law requires that you should have enough to do a print out if required, it does not state where the aforementioned paper should be kept
What to do when you’re on duty
When you’re driving a vehicle equipped with a digital tachograph, you should always:
ensure the tachograph is working properly
need to have paper I to ensure its working IE printing
yes, but, there is no law stating that you have to leave it in the machine
do you do a print out every day to test to see if it is working?
if it will not print, it will show an error message on the screen, so, you do not need the paper in it to test it
Not so long back i was asked by VOSA to change the paper to prove I could. After a bit of fumbling it was in and working at which point he made one by asking were my spare roll was!!!
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Not so long back i was asked by VOSA to change the paper to prove I could. After a bit of fumbling it was in and working at which point he made one by asking were my spare roll was!!!
firstly, if you ‘changed the paper’ as you say, then that would obviously become your ‘spare roll’
A while back there was a tale that if a vehicle was submitted for test without 2 spare rolls in the cab it would fail, another DCPC course fable I expect
splitshift:
A while back there was a tale that if a vehicle was submitted for test without 2 spare rolls in the cab it would fail, another DCPC course fable I expect
Another tale I suspect as mine went in during march and I had 2 rolls in my bag and none in the truck unless the scania dealer put 2 in when they took it for test and then removed them again then I would say that’s bs because it passed.
You don’t need to carry a set amount of rolls, you just have to have sufficient paper to carry out print outs if requested and what is ‘sufficient’ is not defined anywhere in any legislation.
You don’t have to have the paper in the head as long as when asked to do a printout you have some you can stick in and use.
i find its always best to carry a spare roll
just in case there isnt one when you go to the toilet
and if there is some in the tacho head
that always comes in handy for writing down trailer details
According to the VOSA Sanctions Policy - FAIL TO ENSURE PRINTING CAN BE CARRIED OUT ON REQUEST- DIGITAL (Paper is not being carried) - is a £60 graduated fixed penalty.
If printing cannot be carried out because the printer is defective - this is treated as though the tachograph is defective.
I doubt there is anything to prevent VOSA asking for 28 days of print outs. You must carry 28 days records, their download equipment is broken - how else would they do it?
I know a driver was asked for print out after print out, he reached around 8 print outs for different days, paper ran out, no spare got a £60 penalty. he was a rather gobby bloke and was giving the female VOSA a hard time so kind of deserved it. I reckon she was doing it on purpose. She had just issued a prohibition for an ADR offence (No extinguisher, no ADR licence, no instructions in writing etc) so he was slightly annoyed!!
Not true, that rule has been out of date for quite a while now, around 5 years if memory serves.
You must be able to produce at the roadside any charts and any legally required manual records for the current day and the previous 28 calendar days and your digital tacho card if you’ve been issued with one. Nowhere in the regulations does it state how many days, 28, 29 or any other number, must be on that digital card. If you haven’t used a non digital tacho vehicle or had to make a printout and therefore have nothing other than your digi card to produce you could produce a digi card with just a few days on it, or even just the current day and not fall foul of the regulations, because there is no requirement to produce 28 days records. If you had to produce 28 days records at any time a driver whose digi card failed and they got a replacement would not be able to use it to drive again unless he or she first drove analogue over the previous 28 calendar days and created such a record.
shep532:
According to the VOSA Sanctions Policy - FAIL TO ENSURE PRINTING CAN BE CARRIED OUT ON REQUEST- DIGITAL (Paper is not being carried) - is a £60 graduated fixed penalty.
If printing cannot be carried out because the printer is defective - this is treated as though the tachograph is defective.
I doubt there is anything to prevent VOSA asking for 28 days of print outs. You must carry 28 days records, their download equipment is broken - how else would they do it?
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Can they get fined for defective equipment just like us poor l g v drivers.
Not true, that rule has been out of date for quite a while now, around 5 years if memory serves.
You must be able to produce at the roadside any charts and any legally required manual records for the current day and the previous 28 calendar days and your digital tacho card if you’ve been issued with one. Nowhere in the regulations does it state how many days, 28, 29 or any other number, must be on that digital card. If you haven’t used a non digital tacho vehicle or had to make a printout and therefore have nothing other than your digi card to produce you could produce a digi card with just a few days on it, or even just the current day and not fall foul of the regulations, because there is no requirement to produce 28 days records. If you had to produce 28 days records at any time a driver whose digi card failed and they got a replacement would not be able to use it to drive again unless he or she first drove analogue over the previous 28 calendar days and created such a record.
Yeah alright you knew exactly what I meant. If there’s been no work there’d be no record - clearly.
The point I was making is that there seems to be nothing to stop VOSA requesting printout after printout and it would (to me) make sense they may want the last 28 calendar days if you had worked the last 28 calendar days. OK, take weekly rests out of that and it could still be a lot of paper. Of course if they have the facility to read your card then why would they ask for print outs?
I still meet drivers on a daily basis who don’t have any spare paper with them when driving and if the VU is empty think that’s the companies problem. There again I have met quite a few who have paid the £60 penalty for failing to produce a print out due to lack of paper.
Of course when asked how many spare rolls should they carry it appears the answer is unknown.
Not true, that rule has been out of date for quite a while now, around 5 years if memory serves.
You must be able to produce at the roadside any charts and any legally required manual records for the current day and the previous 28 calendar days and your digital tacho card if you’ve been issued with one. Nowhere in the regulations does it state how many days, 28, 29 or any other number, must be on that digital card. If you haven’t used a non digital tacho vehicle or had to make a printout and therefore have nothing other than your digi card to produce you could produce a digi card with just a few days on it, or even just the current day and not fall foul of the regulations, because there is no requirement to produce 28 days records. If you had to produce 28 days records at any time a driver whose digi card failed and they got a replacement would not be able to use it to drive again unless he or she first drove analogue over the previous 28 calendar days and created such a record.
Yeah alright you knew exactly what I meant. If there’s been no work there’d be no record - clearly.
No, there could have been work, plenty of work and still no legal requirement to produce 28 days records. If that work had been exclusively on a digi card and at no point was a legally required print out taken then all you have to do, as per the regulations, is produce your digi card and nowhere in any of the regulations does it state how many days you must have on it. Yet DCPC trainers, at least 5 years after it changed still come out with the misinformation that you must have 28 days records and that leads to confusion and misinterpretation, such as drivers insisting they must take a printout every day because ‘they have to have 28 days records.’
The reason most lorries do not have enough paper in them is because drivers are printing off reams and reams of printing roll to satisfy a need that isn’t there. If an agency wants to keep copies of a drivers records then they should be obliged, no make that legally required to purchase a card reader.
They are available for less than 100 quid for the basics which give more information than a bit of till roll.
there is also a recent warning about using cheap rolls as they are not to the correct specification.
I used to go through loads of rolls as we had to do a printout everyday despite having a full digital fleet. The company insisted we carried 2 spare rolls but now we don’t need to do printout they just insist on one roll.
