Do we need a tacho?

NEW AND WANNABE DRIVERS (INTERACTIVE)
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If one has a sprinter van and one intends to buy a trailer, it’s my understanding that when you become over the 3.5t gvw that you then need a tacho and therefor in also need an o-license in place too… is this correct?

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Sam Millar:
If one has a sprinter van and one intends to buy a trailer, it’s my understanding that when you become over the 3.5t gvw that you then need a tacho and therefor in also need an o-license in place too… is this correct?

Generally yes

Unless you come under an exemption but the only way to determine that is for you to elaborate on what exactly you will be doing

Own goods?
customers goods?
Within 50 km of base or over that?
Your equipment to do a job with such as a digger that you will be using on site?
Trailer over 1020 kgs empty?

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Sam Millar:
If one has a sprinter van and one intends to buy a trailer, it’s my understanding that when you become over the 3.5t gvw that you then need a tacho and therefor in also need an o-license in place too… is this correct?

If the MAM of a vehicle exceeds 3½ tonne and the vehicle is not exempted from EU regulations because of the job it’s used for, it should be fitted with a tachograph which should be used by the driver.

I’m not too well up on operator licences but I believe you would need one for a vehicle over 3½ tonne GVW.

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The vehicle/trailer has pressure washing equipment.

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Sam Millar:
The vehicle/trailer has pressure washing equipment.

Do YOU use that equipment to do a job with and ONLY within 50 km of base? - you drive there, use the equipment, drive elsewhere, use the equipment and so on as well as all done within 50km of base with a trailer that weighs no more than 1020 kgs empty ■■?

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ROG:

Sam Millar:
The vehicle/trailer has pressure washing equipment.

Do YOU use that equipment to do a job with and ONLY within 50 km of base? - you drive there, use the equipment, drive elsewhere, use the equipment and so on as well as all done within 50km of base with a trailer that weighs no more than 1020 kgs empty ■■?

Yes it will be driven by myself or my Dad within 50km of base and I use the equipment. Not entirely sure of the trailer weight but will find out.

In short, when does tacho and o license become an issue please?

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EU tacho exemption - article 13 from 561/2006

(d) vehicles or combinations of vehicles with a maximum
permissible mass not exceeding 7,5 tonnes used:

– for carrying materials, equipment or machinery for
the driver’s use in the course of his work.

These vehicles shall be used only within a 50 kilometre
radius from the base of the undertaking, and on
condition that driving the vehicles does not constitute
the driver’s main activity;

Operator licence exemption - gov.uk/government/uploads/s … owners.pdf - check out flow chart on page 7 because if trailer is under 1020 kgs then you are exempt

That is my opinion on both of these issues but will be open to others who may know better

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fta.co.uk/policy_and_complia … nsing.html

this will help you sam, but basically if your van and trailer exceeds 3.5 tons then you will need an o licence and hence
all the stuff involved in obtaining it. the van will also have to be fitted with a tachograph

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Hi Sam

This is taken straight out of the National CPC Manual:

Exemptions fron EU Regulation 3820/85

EXEMPTIONS WHICH APPLY TO BOTH NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL OPERATORS

  • Goods vehicles where the permissible maximum weight, including any trailer or semi-trailer, does not exceed 3.5 tonnes

*Vehicles with a maximum authorised speed not exceeding 30k kilometres per hour

*Vehicles used under the control of:
–Armed Forces
–Civil Service
–Fire Services
–Forces responsible for maintaining public order

  • Vehicles used in connection with:
    –Sewerage
    –Flood Protection
    –Water, Gas and Electricity Services
    –Highway Maintenance and Control
    –Refuse Collection and Disposal
    –Telegraph and Telephone Services
    –Carriage of Postal Articles
    –Radio and Television Broadcasting and Detection

  • Vehicles used in Emergency or Rescue Operations

  • Specialist Vehicles used for Medical Purposes

  • Vehicles use to transport Circus and Funfair Equipment

  • Specialised Breakdown Vehicles

  • Vehicles undergoing road tests for technical development, repair or maintenance purposes. Also new or rebuilt vehicles which have not yet been put into service

  • Vehicles used for the non-commercial carriage of goods for personal use

  • Vehicles used for milk collection from farms, and the return to farms of milk containers or milk products for animal feed

EXEMPTIONS WHICH APPLY TO NATIONAL OPERATORS ONLY

  • Vehicles used by public authorities not in competition with professional hauliers. The exemption only applies to vehicles being used:

—by a Health Authority
—to provide an ambulance service
—by a local authority to provide certain social services to the elderly or infirm
—by HM Coastguard, port or airport authorities
—by British Rail and other public authorities when involved in maintaining railways
—by British Waterways when involved in maintaining waterways

  • Vehicles used by agricultural, horticultural, forestry or fishery undertakings for carrying goods within a 50 kilometres radius of the vehicles base

  • Vehicles used to carry animal carcasses and waste which are not intended for human consumption

  • Vehicles used to carry live animals between farms and local markets or from markets to local slaughterhouses

  • The use of specialised vehicles:
    —as shops at local markets
    —for door to door selling
    —for mobile banking, exchange or savings transactions
    —for worship
    —for the lending of books, records or cassettes
    —for cultural events or exhibitions

  • Vehicles used to carry material or equipment for the driver’s use in the course of his work. Driving must not be the person’s main activity, the driving must be confined within 50 kilometres radius of the vehicles base, and vehicles must not exceed 7.5 tonnes pmw ( permissible maximum weight)

  • Vehicles operating exclusively on Islands not exceeding 2,300 square kilometres in area, and not linked to the mainland by a bridge, ford or tunnel for motor vehicles

  • Electric or gas powered vehicles not exceeding 7.5 tonnes pmw

  • Vehicles used for driving instruction with a view to obtaining a driving licence, provided that the journey is not connected with carrying goods for hire or reward

  • Vehicles propelled by steam

  • Vehicles used by the RNLI for hauling lifeboats

  • Vehicles manufactured before 1 January 1947

  • Tractors used exclusively for agricultural and forestry work

This should answer your question

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Exemptions fron EU Regulation 3820/85

That’s a bit old now !

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fleettraineruk:
Hi Sam

This is taken straight out of the National CPC Manual:

Exemptions fron EU Regulation 3820/85 etc, etc …

This is what comes of using out of date info…
( > 6 years :open_mouth: )

Regulation (EEC) No 3820/85 was repealed and replaced by:
Article 28 of Regulation (EC) 561/2006 on 11th April 2007

fleettraineruk:
This should answer your question

Interesting username, but I’m saying nowt. :wink: :grimacing:

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dieseldave:

fleettraineruk:
Hi Sam

This is taken straight out of the National CPC Manual:

Exemptions fron EU Regulation 3820/85 etc, etc …

This is what comes of using out of date info…
( > 6 years :open_mouth: )

Regulation (EEC) No 3820/85 was repealed and replaced by:
Article 28 of Regulation (EC) 561/2006 on 11th April 2007

fleettraineruk:
This should answer your question

Interesting username, but I’m saying nowt. :wink: :grimacing:

Yes. It was a Wednesday :laughing:

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My cpc notes ARE 6 years old :smiley:

Suppose I’ll have to get updated

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fleettraineruk:
My cpc notes ARE 6 years old :smiley:

Suppose I’ll have to get updated

We’ve got decimal currency and colour TVs now too!! :wink: