A dog walker was killed by a reversing bin lorry, so whose fault is it, the vehicle had no rear camera or banksman, the driver had done the same route 30 times.
If the pedestrian could not hear the lorry, who is to blame ?
No beeper on the lorry.
The driver. Case closed. Next!
You talk some amount of pish Toby
Was the dog walker walking a guide dog.?
I don’t know how people walk and run etc round the streets wearing earphones…
When I’m out walking I probably use my ears as much as my eyes.
yorkshire terrier:
I don’t know how people walk and run etc round the streets wearing earphones…
When I’m out walking I probably use my ears as much as my eyes.
I wear earphones when walking but generally hit pause when getting to crossing roads etc. When I’m parked up at night I have chosen walks I can do for an hour to get out the cab for a while and have routes away from the road buy I don’t know how people jog or walk through towns and supermarkets etc with them in!!
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If im out with the dog or something like that i only have 1 earphone in so im still aware of what going on around me
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Toby I thought you were off flying aeroplanes and leaving all us losers behind…
If this is the ongoing case in Gloucester just off the A38 at Norton then there are certain points that need correcting from the OP
The bin lorry had its reversing beepers on and also hazard warnings on
The lorry was reversing down the lane the deceased was walking down the lane with her back to the lorry
The driver had a banksman with him in the cab,he should of been outside assisting the reversing driver thats part of his role
The trail continues
The driver has in my opinion been correctly convicted, a real tragedy for all involved.
MrH:
The driver has in my opinion been correctly convicted, a real tragedy for all involved.
Maybe his mate also has a case to answer
The drivers assistant (the banksman) was allegedly in the cab and not assuming his normal reversing duties as the lane was too narrow for him to be seen by the driver in his mirrors, apparently under company regulations as it was deemed unsafe?
Having done a fair bit of this type of work, and of course if the above is indeed factual, the company must take its own responsibilites somewhat more seriously, Health & Safety must always be paramount regardless of time taken and the dreaded ‘profit’ word - you can’t have your cake and eat it! I would suggest IF its company policy to use a banksman, and IF its too narrow for him to be seen by the reversing driver in case the crush zone is entered by the banksman whilst out of the drivers view, a smaller vehicle or other method must be undertaken to empty the containers being accessed in this particular instance.
Terible tragedy nevertheless.
I had a close call when reversing a dustcart in the centre of Peterborough at 8:30 ish on a Friday , I had my hazards on, camera was working and I was using an audible warning plus flashing beacons. Now I was on my own which was usual practice and i started to reverse between two buildings which lead to the back of the shops.
I saw an elderly man in my mirrors and two ladies walking down the other side of the truck so I stopped at which point the elderly gent started to have a go at me about not seeing the young woman perplexed I explained what I had seen got him in the cab, showed him the camera set up and asked him to watch as I walked around the truck and he was gobsmacked when he lost sight of me in the blind spot. Now it turns out that a young woman saw me reversing and stopped behind me and crouched down to do her shoe lace up with the flashing lights and audible warnings going off like a Christmas tree, I genuinely did not see her and when the elderly gent calmed down as he started to understand that there are blind spots and we can miss people but what in this world would make anyone stop behind a reversing truck to do your shoe lace up? I was lucky she was bloody daft but there comes a point where the driver needs help from the pedestrians and cyclists around them.
Sounds like you escaped a Darwin awards moment there with that soppy bint.
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The drivers assistant (the banksman) was allegedly in the cab and not assuming his normal reversing duties as the lane was too narrow for him to be seen by the driver in his mirrors, apparently under company regulations as it was deemed unsafe?Having done a fair bit of this type of work, and of course if the above is indeed factual, the company must take its own responsibilites somewhat more seriously, Health & Safety must always be paramount regardless of time taken and the dreaded ‘profit’ word - you can’t have your cake and eat it! I would suggest IF its company policy to use a banksman, and IF its too narrow for him to be seen by the reversing driver in case the crush zone is entered by the banksman whilst out of the drivers view, a smaller vehicle or other method must be undertaken to empty the containers being accessed in this particular instance.
Terible tragedy nevertheless.
The drivers assistant (banksman)has admitted in court that he was in the cab at the time he also admits that he has had the most uoto date training on his role but he had forgotten it,the driver admitted to the police that although the track was narrow and difficult to navigate he had not used the banksman as the track was to long!!
I agree an awful tragedy
yorkshire terrier:
I don’t know how people walk and run etc round the streets wearing earphones…
When I’m out walking I probably use my ears as much as my eyes.
How many here whilst driving in a built up area, turn the radio off and open their windows ?
Hope the dog was ok.
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The driver may get the blame but my god how can you not see a lorry. Cyclists I am afraid to say bring a lot upon themselves. They are a law unto themselves they expect everyone to look out for them but they have a part to play … look out for themselves. They need to learn to concentrate on the roads they are cycling rather than listening to music and oblivious to what is around them. They are many alive today because I was watching the road and them but they sure weren’t. Kamikaze ethos springs to mind.
volvo2:
The driver may get the blame but my god how can you not see a lorry. Cyclists I am afraid to say bring a lot upon themselves. They are a law unto themselves they expect everyone to look out for them but they have a part to play … look out for themselves. They need to learn to concentrate on the roads they are cycling rather than listening to music and oblivious to what is around them. They are many alive today because I was watching the road and them but they sure weren’t. Kamikaze ethos springs to mind.
I agree and share your experiences, but have to add that many car and truck drivers are oblivious to others on the road due to their unhealthy interest in their mobile phones whilst driving.
As a lorry driver I don’t trust car drivers or cyclists, as a cyclists I don’t trust car or lorry drivers.
volvo2:
The driver may get the blame but my god how can you not see a lorry. Cyclists I am afraid to say bring a lot upon themselves. They are a law unto themselves they expect everyone to look out for them but they have a part to play … look out for themselves. They need to learn to concentrate on the roads they are cycling rather than listening to music and oblivious to what is around them. They are many alive today because I was watching the road and them but they sure weren’t. Kamikaze ethos springs to mind.
not really wishing to disturb your rant about cyclists but the old lady in this tragedy was simply walking her dogs, no bicycles involved.
From the various news articles it looks like it was a very narrow private track behind a closed gate. according to the Mirror the ‘banksman’ had left the lorry to open the gate then climbed back in. I could imagine anyone walking down the centre of that track would feel entirely safe, no one would be expecting a HGV reversing blindly down the road. I am finding it difficult to cast even the slightest blame on the woman.
On another point, take a look at the entrance to the track as shown in this BBC article on googlestreetview
google.co.uk/maps/@51.91447 … 312!8i6656
what an unusual place to be having a lorry reverse into as part of its normal route, this would appear to be a very busy road in a NSL zone.