cbarnes:
i too would like to know the correct answer to this as i take a printout every time i work and the truck has digi mainly for my records but also good to keep a record as im an agency driver
You know the answer, it’s a wind-up, you can take as many printouts as you wish and you will never get fined for it by VOSA 
Whether or not the company you’re driving for will object to you wasting their print paper is another matter though 
cbarnes:
i too would like to know the correct answer to this as i take a printout every time i work and the truck has digi mainly for my records but also good to keep a record as im an agency driver
You must have plenty of money to risk that many fines, fair play to you for doing what you want regardless of the rules though.
tachograph:
cbarnes:
i too would like to know the correct answer to this as i take a printout every time i work and the truck has digi mainly for my records but also good to keep a record as im an agency driverYou know the answer, it’s a wind-up, you can take as many printouts as you wish and you will never get fined for it by VOSA
Whether or not the company you’re driving for will object to you wasting their print paper is another matter though
i have and use my own paper
cbarnes:
tachograph:
cbarnes:
i too would like to know the correct answer to this as i take a printout every time i work and the truck has digi mainly for my records but also good to keep a record as im an agency driverYou know the answer, it’s a wind-up, you can take as many printouts as you wish and you will never get fined for it by VOSA
Whether or not the company you’re driving for will object to you wasting their print paper is another matter though
i have and use my own paper
It doesn’t answer the question why though?
If I went to drive for a transport company who only operated analogue equipment, the minimum they should give me is enough blank tachograph charts for the week with at least one spare.
If I went to work as an agency worker on a building site or in a local warehouse, they would give me a time sheet and may ask me to get it signed off by a chargehand. Why does it have to be different with road transport? The records have to stay with the company who hold the operator licence, it is their responsibility to download the data and store it for 12 or 24 months dependent on RTD
I bet there is no one in an agency office who can understand the data printout anyway, certainly non of the agency staff I have met.
It just seems daft that a driver who goes to work to earn money then spends money on the paper rolls, paying a £5 note for 3 rolls 
Plenty of drivers and especially agency drivers like to keep a record of their work WN, it sometimes helps to resolve agency mistakes
I’ve never found it necessary to take daily printouts but each to their own, if it helps the driver in some way then why not, and remember those rolls of print paper will last a very long time
tachograph:
Plenty of drivers and especially agency drivers like to keep a record of their work WN, it sometimes helps to resolve agency mistakesI’ve never found it necessary to take daily printouts but each to their own, if it helps the driver in some way then why not, and remember those rolls of print paper will last a very long time
Each to their own indeed. If I want to know what I did last week or a few days ago I would just look at the display on the screen. The last time I had a control, that is all the policeman did, he climbed up the step and scrolled through the card memory, then wished me “bon route.”
“The Data stored on the driver card can be displayed though any VU when the card is in the VU. If necessary, the data can also be printed off via the integrated printer.”
My problem with drivers doing unnecessary printouts is that if I am stopped driving a vehicle and asked for a printout, it can cost me a £60 FPN if they have used all my “EC approved” paper. Hence the reason for Neil removing the roll when he goes off shift. Part of my driver checks, should be to check the paper, but I don’t check the road tax or the operator licence every day if I am driving the same vehicle.
There are also concerns if someone uses all the approved printer roll and puts in a roll of spurious make or manufacture, the thermal properties will not last and the operator could have a drawer full of blank printouts within 6 months.
All analogue charts must be EC approved but so are the thermal papers used in digital tachographs, so when you buy cheap rolls of printer paper from Ebay, are you convinced it will last for 12 months?
ive never heard of that rule before. the company i work for are the bees knees when it comes to tachos, surely if this rule were to be true we would be told about it otherwise they could end up with a fine themselves for not bringing this " rule" to the drivers attention. we are told only do a print out if it is necessary as unecessary printouts cost the company money. i myself have only ever done 3 printouts, each time to explain and record an infringement. and just for good measure the company i work for have a vosa testing center on site !
To add to this discussion, I’ve just had a monthly reminder from one of the agencies I use (Driver Hire) that all tacho discs (analog) AND printouts (digital) should be submitted to them for the previous month. That is you keep them with you for today and the last 28 days then send them to the agency.
From a reply on another thread, I know it’s not the agency who should collect them (as they have to ultimately go to operator) but it looks like this particular company (if not branch) are doing this either for their own records, or collecting them to forward to their clients.
I stopped taking printouts because of this thread, but the agency says they want me to do so. No problems, I will.
The client I work for nearly full -time now has a reader on the wall outside the warehouse office and each time I think on, I put the digi card in and it runs a download anyway.
I’ve offered to do the same for other clients and they have seemed uninterested.
N
neil1024:
To add to this discussion, I’ve just had a monthly reminder from one of the agencies I use (Driver Hire) that all tacho discs (analog) AND printouts (digital) should be submitted to them for the previous month. That is you keep them with you for today and the last 28 days then send them to the agency.From a reply on another thread, I know it’s not the agency who should collect them (as they have to ultimately go to operator) but it looks like this particular company (if not branch) are doing this either for their own records, or collecting them to forward to their clients.
I stopped taking printouts because of this thread, but the agency says they want me to do so. No problems, I will.
The client I work for nearly full -time now has a reader on the wall outside the warehouse office and each time I think on, I put the digi card in and it runs a download anyway.
I’ve offered to do the same for other clients and they have seemed uninterested.
N
As long as you work for the company full time, then use their own download equipment, but downloading your card for someone else is pointless. The Data will be stored on your regular customers system, but the records have to be sent to the other operator of the truck you are driving occasionally.
I don’t have a problem with agencies demanding printouts, but the agency or client should be supplying the digital rolls, not the driver.
neil1024:
To add to this discussion, I’ve just had a monthly reminder from one of the agencies I use (Driver Hire) that all tacho discs (analog) AND printouts (digital) should be submitted to them for the previous month. That is you keep them with you for today and the last 28 days then send them to the agency.From a reply on another thread, I know it’s not the agency who should collect them (as they have to ultimately go to operator) but it looks like this particular company (if not branch) are doing this either for their own records, or collecting them to forward to their clients.
I stopped taking printouts because of this thread, but the agency says they want me to do so. No problems, I will.
The client I work for nearly full -time now has a reader on the wall outside the warehouse office and each time I think on, I put the digi card in and it runs a download anyway.
I’ve offered to do the same for other clients and they have seemed uninterested.
N
If you return your charts to the agency instead of the transport company you were working for at the time you commit an offence and, as stated in section 97c of the act that deals with this, are liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 4 on the standard scale, which is currently £2500. I wouldn’t be trusting any agency with the charts because if they don’t get to the client then it is you the buck stops with and not them.