That’s what I use in the seldom times I’ve ■■■■ ed up, a print out with a written record on back if needed, like the old log book icons and method. (showing my age 
) and they have been accepted with nothing said…it is a record and better than nowt imo.
Only ever done one manual entry, and made a complete arse of it.
I know it ain’t rocket science, and is undoubtedly ■■■■ easy…but I could not muster up the enthusiasm and interest needed to learn how to do it to be quite honest… 
robroy:
That’s what I use in the seldom times I’ve [zb] ed up, a print out with a written record on back if needed, like the old log book icons and method. (showing my ageOnly ever done one manual entry, and made a complete arse of it.
I know it ain’t rocket science, and is undoubtedly ■■■■ easy…but I could not muster up the enthusiasm and interest needed to learn how to do it to be quite honest…
Do you need me to do an instructional video for you? What with me now being the oracle of all trucking knowledge. First video is free. And if lucky I’ll give you a flash
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
LL79:
Driver was rightly fined for not recording manual entry.
If driver did record manual entry ‘?’ would not be shown.
Where driver spend night in vehicle there is no reason to eject card. If driver spend night away, manual entry must be recorded with other work after ejecting card. Usually time driver needs to be debriefed or to leave yard, finish time should correspond with timesheet.^ That’s why the old paper tacho charts had a log book type graph on the back of them.Which was used to make a 24 hour record including daily rest period taken at home/away from the vehicle.
Realistically without that facility digi tachos need to be used in conjunction with a proper domestic regs type log book to record manual entries on.Digital has same on back of printout
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To be fair the last time Carryfast drove there was no such thing as a digital tachograph.
adam277:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
LL79:
Driver was rightly fined for not recording manual entry.
If driver did record manual entry ‘?’ would not be shown.
Where driver spend night in vehicle there is no reason to eject card. If driver spend night away, manual entry must be recorded with other work after ejecting card. Usually time driver needs to be debriefed or to leave yard, finish time should correspond with timesheet.^ That’s why the old paper tacho charts had a log book type graph on the back of them.Which was used to make a 24 hour record including daily rest period taken at home/away from the vehicle.
Realistically without that facility digi tachos need to be used in conjunction with a proper domestic regs type log book to record manual entries on.Digital has same on back of printout
0To be fair the last time Carryfast drove there was no such thing as a digital tachograph.
Were there even analogue tachos in 1923?
switchlogic:
Were there even analogue tachos in 1923?
Yep. Just had to do it the old fashioned way notebook and a surveyor’s wheel
I heard the inspectorate would regularly pull people over to ensure there wasnt too much wear on the wheel which would indicate someone has not taken a break.
I was being serious though. I have always been under the assumption that Carryfast quit driving in the mid 1990s.
I think you’re right. But you’ve probably been here long enough not to realise of all people on this forum he’s the one least likely to let no experience put him off a comment.
switchlogic:
Digital has same on back of printout
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Shows my total ignorance of digi tachos.I’ve learn’t something.
So a log made up of a pocket full of old screwed up till receipts if they haven’t been lost by the end of the week. 
Better than nothing though.
That’s obviously the answer.The law ask to see an account of when the card was out and there it is or it should be. 
I’m guessing it spits out 24 hour’s worth of graph paper from when the card was put in ?. 
adam277:
To be fair the last time Carryfast drove there was no such thing as a digital tachograph.
Strange but absolutely true. 
I’d still be sitting in the yard at the end of the shift without having turned a wheel staring blankly at the thing.
So I’ve got a credit card in one hand and four feet of till roll in the other wondering how to make the tacho work and how to write across that length of paper roll and then link the two different records together and where to store that strip of paper if when I’ve worked it all out.That’s just to record one daily rest period.
adam277:
switchlogic:
Were there even analogue tachos in 1923?Yep. Just had to do it the old fashioned way notebook and a surveyor’s wheel
I heard the inspectorate would regularly pull people over to ensure there wasnt too much wear on the wheel which would indicate someone has not taken a break.I was being serious though. I have always been under the assumption that Carryfast quit driving in the mid 1990s.
Employment was terminated in 2000 the bit in between was ‘very complicated’.Starting out as a disciplinary matter ( refusing to handball loads again ) and suspended on full pay and defended by the Union ending up as termination of employment on medical/h and s grounds.
Regarding a situation that the Union’s stupidity/complicity had put me in.They couldn’t make it up.
The last truck I drove was an early 1990’s Merc 2534.I didn’t drive anything newer than that.
Digi tachos became mandatory in 2006.
I’ve never actually seen or used a digi tacho.
But I do know that the answer to the OP’s question is manual entries as required to show a full 24 hour record from when the card/chart was put in.
Carryfast if you do read this, please say when was the last time you drove a truck.
adam277:
Carryfast if you do read this, please say when was the last time you drove a truck.
If ever you did drive a Truck.
biggriffin:
adam277:
Carryfast if you do read this, please say when was the last time you drove a truck.If ever you did drive a Truck.
LPF 322P
FNH 958T
J857/8 NCP
Just a few of many but which numbers stayed in my memory.
Don’t know of any non class 1 UPS Feeder Drivers.
Now you’ll tell me I was never a class 1 UPS Feeder Driver by stitched up default from Carryfast Night Trunk Driver.
Probably drove a truck better than you ever will. 
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Digital has same on back of printout
0Shows my total ignorance of digi tachos.I’ve learn’t something.
Holy. Mother. Of. God.
YAY!..
Team Jacko for the win!
Carryfast:
adam277:
To be fair the last time Carryfast drove there was no such thing as a digital tachograph.Strange but absolutely true.
I’d still be sitting in the yard at the end of the shift without having turned a wheel staring blankly at the thing.
So I’ve got a credit card in one hand and four feet of till roll in the other wondering how to make the tacho work and how to write across that length of paper roll and then link the two different records together and where to store that strip of paper if when I’ve worked it all out.That’s just to record one daily rest period.
999 times out of 1000 the driver doesn’t need to concern himself with scribbling on bits of paper. The digi tacho asks him if he’s been on Rest since the card was last ejected and he answers in the affirmative. Tacho dutifully records the entire period on the card as Rest. If he answers in the negative, he gets to enter the time(s) of any Work or POA and again the machine dutifully records this on his card. If instead his activities since card ejection are covered by other records (such as diary entries, handwritten records, log sheets etc) then (and only then) does he tell the machine to record “?” on his card.
I’ve done perhaps four printouts in the last 5 years, yet every 6 weeks or so I have to replace the roll because some muppet doesn’t know that you can see the activities on the head just the same as a printout at the push of a button.
I’ve now taken to leaving it empty but carrying spare rolls in my bag. Petty really as I certainly don’t pay for the paper, but it just bugs me.
the maoster:
I’ve done perhaps four printouts in the last 5 years, yet every 6 weeks or so I have to replace the roll because some muppet doesn’t know that you can see the activities on the head just the same as a printout at the push of a button.I’ve now taken to leaving it empty but carrying spare rolls in my bag. Petty really as I certainly don’t pay for the paper, but it just bugs me.
The trees are grateful for your actions.
Well done.
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Thank ya kindly Sir. I just find it so unnecessary and wasteful tbh.
Roymondo:
The digi tacho asks him if he’s been on Rest since the card was last ejected and he answers in the affirmative. Tacho dutifully records the entire period on the card as Rest. If he answers in the negative, he gets to enter the time(s) of any Work or POA and again the machine dutifully records this on his card. If instead his activities since card ejection are covered by other records (such as diary entries, handwritten records, log sheets etc) then (and only then) does he tell the machine to record “?” on his card.
Blimey this is better than bothering with the DCPC course.That bit of info is a game changer.
Does it ask that question by a screen message and how do you answer affirmative is it press an ok button ?.
How do you know that it’s recorded it after answering yes ?.
Who needs till rolls and log sheets for manual entries when they could just do something like the old tacho charts laid out on both sides as they were on the back.
