Did you go as kids? Do you take your kids?

[robroy]

After me prattling on to Luke a couple of weeks ago, about him making one of his ‘Newbie tips vids’ about old values of courtesy and empathy amongst drivers, it struck me that there may be a connection somewhere, between that and second generation drivers, who travelled with their Dads, or mates, or like me both…
(Bear with me btw…I’m bored ■■■■ less waiting to get in somewhere for my time slot to tip, so I could be way off here )

When I was a kid, I grew up from a very early age until teens, with seeing all, (or most anyway) truck drivers displaying courtesy and empathy towards each other on the road, ie…letting out, letting in, flashing out and in,.and certainly not being complete crunts cutting in on overtakes, and leaving you hanging in lane 2…as some of YOU lot do/are.

I remember as a very young kid playing out with another truckers kid on our bikes pretending we were truckers, and flashing each other in and stuff in the game,.as we had seen our Dads do …(Obviously I led a very sad and tragic childhood )

So basically we knew about all this stuff at that age,.and just arried it on in reality to the next generation of drivers who we became.

Then much much later, the world turned to crap, H&S and micro managed firms stopped Dads taking their kids out on trips,.and the many mongs appeared who blagged licences, who drove their trucks like cars with zero finesse, .and there was nobody of the same age to keep them right…not saying all modern drivers are mongs btw, just a vast few.

Anyhoo I’ll leave that theory with you to ponder,.and for you to come back and tell me I’m talking complete ■■■■■■■■.

[short_walk]

Well am very happy to report here in the Kingdom of Denmark kids are most welcome to accompany dads in their cabs. Own daughter been all over DK and a bit of Sweden, spent most time on I pad mind despite me telling her to look where we’re going. I have my dog with me all week and only at one regular customer is he required to hide in footwell. ( they know he’s there btw) it’s how I started by going with my dad doing potatoes and bales of hay all handball, prob mid 70’s, Leylands and Albions.

[sploom]

I remember when I was a child,my uncle had a tipper.I got annoyed with him because he wouldnt let me travel in the back of it,lol

[pennineman]

I did the trips out with my dad in the school holidays.

I really cheesed him of one day when we were parked up on Tooley St. lorry park, He decided to have a nap before going out for tea so I just wandered about the place when Tower Bridge as opened for river traffic, I told my dad this and he said all the years he had been going to London and never saw the bridge open! Son 1 Dad 0

When I took my children with me, I always made a point of parking up somewhere, where we could go for the evening to get them out of the cab. Torbay ferry evening cruise was a favourite among other locations so they used to see that bit more of the country.

[switchlogic]

the maoster:

Harry Monk:
I did what I did because I went out there and asked for it, I didn’t wait for the industry to come knocking on my door. The reason you never achieved the same is quite simply because you are by nature an under-achiever.

Ditto ^^^^

Nobody in my family with the exception of me has had anything to do with road haulage. Every job I’ve ever had has been in a different sector of haulage so by definition I’ve had no experience of doing that particular job so I just talked my way into the job. It’s not difficult, it’s not brain surgery and anyone with an ounce of inner drive can do it. I too am no different, better or more special than hundreds of thousands of drivers before me or those who will follow on from me.

My deeepest condolences. I clearly ruined your careers, which must have been a great disappointment to you. I’m going to hand my solid gold ‘Elite Trucker’ membership card back at once. I can’t have any more ruined lives on my conscience

[gidders]

My lad used to travel with me in the 80s.Around the UK plus trips to Germany,Spain and Italy.He would have become a trucker later in life but unfortunately developped an eyesight issue.
I did a spell as a National Express coach driver (Bradford to Southsea) and occasionally took my wife and mother in law to visit relatives en route.

[windrush]

Sploom:
I remember when I was a child,my uncle had a tipper.I got annoyed with him because he wouldnt let me travel in the back of it,lol

In 1977 I took my brother from Matlock to Darlington in a Foden S50 halfcab tipper which was going for recabbing, he was aged 14 and he rode all the way in the tipper body sitting on a rolled up sheet. He got rather wet, I didn’t!:lol:

Pete.

[punchy_dan]

windrush:

Sploom:
I remember when I was a child,my uncle had a tipper.I got annoyed with him because he wouldnt let me travel in the back of it,lol

In 1977 I took my brother from Matlock to Darlington in a Foden S50 halfcab tipper which was going for recabbing, he was aged 14 and he rode all the way in the tipper body sitting on a rolled up sheet. He got rather wet, I didn’t!:lol:

Pete.

Back in the day father would call at the Pig for one on the way home 3 or 4 of us would ride down put our bikes on the diesel tank and spare wheel ect then stand in the body at the front looking down at the propshaft listening to the big ■■■■■■■ whistle up the hill ,I wasn’t too keen on the big bales of scrap but the 4 /6 inch stone was ok

[gog47]

Carryfast:
Regardless of the rights and wrongs of children being in the very real harms way of a truck cab in the event of a serious RTA or all the hazards of a load deck/ loading/unloading area/yard.
The point in the case of our ‘debate’ is obviously your idea that going out with your Dad on the truck by implication counts/should count towards the bs face fits ‘experience’ career progression regime which infests the industry.

By implication you’re saying that anyone who was around trucks by way of their parents’ job should then be given fastrack status in that progression over others, who had to wait until they were old enough to actually go to work and do the job themselves with no backing or help from their Dad.

You’re not making a good case for the industry’s defence against accusations of nepotism and favouritism here, while adding weight to mine.

Jesus, that chip on your shoulder must be a pain to drag around! None of my family were involved in road transport, they were farmers, that was the route I took after school, but, because it’s easier to train a stockman to drive a lorry than vice/versa, I got a job driving a 7.5t Leyland Terrier (that dates me!) collecting sheep n coos for markets. Progressed onto U.K. work, then through a friend of a friend onto Euro in 1989. Fast fwd a few yrs I’m an owner driver and took my young lad everywhere any time he could. He’s now driving too, STGO low loader the past 2yrs and still only 24

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[switchlogic]

GOG47:

Carryfast:
Regardless of the rights and wrongs of children being in the very real harms way of a truck cab in the event of a serious RTA or all the hazards of a load deck/ loading/unloading area/yard.
The point in the case of our ‘debate’ is obviously your idea that going out with your Dad on the truck by implication counts/should count towards the bs face fits ‘experience’ career progression regime which infests the industry.

By implication you’re saying that anyone who was around trucks by way of their parents’ job should then be given fastrack status in that progression over others, who had to wait until they were old enough to actually go to work and do the job themselves with no backing or help from their Dad.

You’re not making a good case for the industry’s defence against accusations of nepotism and favouritism here, while adding weight to mine.

Jesus, that chip on your shoulder must be a pain to drag around!

It’s a lorry load of parcels more than a chip

[switchlogic]

Carryfast:
Regardless of the rights and wrongs of children being in the very real harms way of a truck cab in the event of a serious RTA or all the hazards of a load deck/ loading/unloading area/yard.

Pfffftttt, nonsense. We suffered hardly any work related injuries as children. Just my brother losing an arm after it was run over by a Seddon Atkinson 8x4 Bulk Tipper and I lost a buttock after I lost an argument with a Grindr while I was cutting a chassis in half when I was 8. My sister was involved in a serious RTA while in a truck tho, I was driving (obv), was 10 at time. She’s never been same since. Having your head amputated at 5 years old would affect anyone I suppose.

[gog47]

switchlogic:

Carryfast:
Regardless of the rights and wrongs of children being in the very real harms way of a truck cab in the event of a serious RTA or all the hazards of a load deck/ loading/unloading area/yard.

Pfffftttt, nonsense. We suffered hardly any work related injuries as children. Just my brother losing an arm after it was run over by a Seddon Atkinson 8x4 Bulk Tipper and I lost a buttock after I lost an argument with a Grindr while I was cutting a chassis in half when I was 8. My sister was involved in a serious RTA while in a truck tho, I was driving (obv), was 10 at time. She’s never been same since. Having your head amputated at 5 years old would affect anyone I suppose.

Ha, head amputated, ‘tis but a scratch!..[emoji1787]

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[harry_monk]

the maoster:

Harry Monk:
I did what I did because I went out there and asked for it, I didn’t wait for the industry to come knocking on my door. The reason you never achieved the same is quite simply because you are by nature an under-achiever.

Ditto ^^^^

Nobody in my family with the exception of me has had anything to do with road haulage. Every job I’ve ever had has been in a different sector of haulage so by definition I’ve had no experience of doing that particular job so I just talked my way into the job. It’s not difficult, it’s not brain surgery and anyone with an ounce of inner drive can do it. I too am no different, better or more special than hundreds of thousands of drivers before me or those who will follow on from me.

So many posters have told Carryfast the same thing, over and over again, for years and it has no effect whatsoever. He has told me that I did the work I did because I am in some “funny handshake” type clique which conspires to favour some while blackballing others.

Yet no-one in my family had ever driven a truck, when I passed my HGV test I did not know anyone who worked as a truck driver and in fact the driving school vehicle was the first truck I had ever even sat in.

One of Carryfast’s constant gripes is what he perceives as the lack of a structured career progression, as if at some stage a letter should arrive saying “Dear Mr Carryfast, now you have successfully completed two years driving a Council dustcart, you are being promoted onto Italy runs”. It seems impossible to get through to him that if you want to do a certain type of work then you have to seek out that work. He seems to perennially blame an imagined culture of favouritism rather than face up to the true cause of his failure ever to move off of the bottom rung of driving jobs, namely his own complete and total lack of any gumption whatsoever.

[gog47]

Harry Monk:

the maoster:

Harry Monk:
I did what I did because I went out there and asked for it, I didn’t wait for the industry to come knocking on my door. The reason you never achieved the same is quite simply because you are by nature an under-achiever.

Ditto ^^^^

Nobody in my family with the exception of me has had anything to do with road haulage. Every job I’ve ever had has been in a different sector of haulage so by definition I’ve had no experience of doing that particular job so I just talked my way into the job. It’s not difficult, it’s not brain surgery and anyone with an ounce of inner drive can do it. I too am no different, better or more special than hundreds of thousands of drivers before me or those who will follow on from me.

So many posters have told Carryfast the same thing, over and over again, for years and it has no effect whatsoever. He has told me that I did the work I did because I am in some “funny handshake” type clique which conspires to favour some while blackballing others.

Yet no-one in my family had ever driven a truck, when I passed my HGV test I did not know anyone who worked as a truck driver and in fact the driving school vehicle was the first truck I had ever even sat in.

One of Carryfast’s constant gripes is what he perceives as the lack of a structured career progression, as if at some stage a letter should arrive saying “Dear Mr Carryfast, now you have successfully completed two years driving a Council dustcart, you are being promoted onto Italy runs”. It seems impossible to get through to him that if you want to do a certain type of work then you have to seek out that work. He seems to perennially blame an imagined culture of favouritism rather than face up to the true cause of his failure ever to move off of the bottom rung of driving jobs, namely his own complete and total lack of any gumption whatsoever.

This^^^. We really need a “like” button

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[wheel_nut]

Don’t forget most of us paid for our vocational licence from wages or savings. Geoffrey had his licence paid for by a company he swept the floor for, that’s a great start into the industry, then a job on the council should have set him up for life

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[windrush]

Wheel Nut:
Don’t forget most of us paid for our vocational licence from wages or savings. Geoffrey had his licence paid for by a company he swept the floor for, that’s a great start into the industry, then a job on the council should have set him up for life

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I suppose that I was fortunate like Carryfast in that Tilcon, the company I was a fitter for, put me through my class 2 at the companies training school near Pickering in 1976? Otherwise I probably wouldn’t have bothered, I wasn’t even interested in learning to drive a car until my mother booked me some lessons for my birthday! However I did stay with Tilcon (and it’s later transport owners) for 22 years as both a fitter and then later a driver so didn’t use it as a steppingstone to better (or I should say more adventurous) things, I’m not one of lifes ambitious types and I’m quite content with whatever I have and am never envious of whatever anyone else achieves or however they achieved it, rather like Carryfast in that respect I suppose!!:lol:

Pete.

[switchlogic]

Wheel Nut:
Don’t forget most of us paid for our vocational licence from wages or savings. Geoffrey had his licence paid for by a company he swept the floor for, that’s a great start into the industry, then a job on the council should have set him up for life

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Harry puts it very well and this also a good point I often raised with him. The fact I was in the ‘Elite Club’ didn’t seem to help in the 3 years I had a licence but couldn’t get anyone at all to give me a chance. He thinks being turned down for the one single European job he seemed to go for it bad. He should try 3 years of having doors closed in your face with people saying ‘no experience’ constantly while you’re driving coach loads of people round Europe for a living.

[robroy]

I see the survey is favouring the ‘Non Dad drivers’ 62/38.
Saying that I thought I would have got more argument about my ‘Dad as a driver/driver courtesy theory’ in my last post, by pointing out there was no connection after all.

(Unless all you 62% freely admit to being complete arses on the road,.and agree with me. )

[tc_trans]

from the age of 6/7 I was always out with my ole man, he used to wake me up and ask of I wanted to go to school, or go out with him for the day, school always played 2nd fiddle. At the age of 11 my ole man buggered off with some other woman, so never saw much of him again.

It was in my blood and took my class 1 in 1986/7 and started a job tramping, my son who was 8 would spend a bit of time with me, and when I moved across to the car transporters, he would be with me for 6 weeks in the summer holidays, and at any time he could.

He is also a class 1 driver himself, so these days of no kids allowed, obviously no youngster are coming through the ranks the way we did.

[wheel_nut]

My dad died whilst taking his Class 1 in 1977. He was never one for me getting into Road Transport, he preferred that I follow him into the licensed trade, from a young age he called me a Noilly Prat, the alternative name for storage is Lager. I visited many pubs and became quite an authority on alcohol, especially real ale, it was a mild and bitter experience.

Hopefully he will be proud of me today!