It has come to light that in some circumstances, especially those drivers who got their licences in the forces, and for those & other drivers who do not have grandfather rights or pass the initial dcpc are sitting periodic dcpc courses.
Those drivers will not have those hours uploaded onto the DVLA database because they are not in the periodic system and will have wasted their time and money
So do dcpc trainers check that those sitting on any dcpc courses are actually in the dcpc periodic system
Do they check the pass dates and ask for a DQC if one should be held
Mine was checked on both occasions where I attended a dCPC course, 7hrs paid for by myself and 35 hrs paid for as a course.
Can’t remember if it was checked for the ADR that ‘COULD HAVE COUNTED’ as I didn’t want the dCPC hours at the time due to having completed 42hrs by then.
it has to be checked everytime you sit a course, we have to fill our details onto a sheet which the trainer retains, that is after he has looked at them, but he will not know just by looking at the licence if you have completed all your mods until he trys to upload your details after you have completed the course, thats the problem that has come to light
Yes he would. The dates on the licence would highlight if you should have your dqc card already. They should then ask to see it. If the drivers has not got it or has no idea what you are on about you would the ask questions on how the licene was gained. From that you would know.
I contacted JAUPT and at the moment there is no remit for the trainer or training provider to ask if the driver has either aquired rights or has passed the initial dcpc
This is now being looked into and it may be in the future that the trainer or training provider will have to ask the question - Do you have dcpc aquired rights or passed the initial dcpc?
That will still leave the onus on the driver but will at least get a driver to question that fact if they are not certain
This issue is likely to worsen in the future as many more drivers who have jobs which are dcpc exempt obtain their LGV licences after 09/09/2009 whilst doing those jobs and then find themselves in the dcpc system without having any knowledge of how it works and what they need
I have my card now, but on one course some drivers turned up without their licences.The boss faxed them down to the training place,they were told to bring their licence with them tomorrow.
I always check this - However - with 20 drivers in attendance and the licence checking not allowed to be part of the 7 hours it gets difficult and nobody wants to be there longer than they have to be. Asking perople to turn up half hour before the course starts to have their licence checked doesn’t always work and all 20 turn up 5 minutes before it starts In theory this then extends the finishing time
I also photocopy all the licences as proof I checked them.
But … one guy got through. I obviously didn’t check the date he obtained his category C - which was 12/09/2009. He had done three courses before I realised. DSA wouldn’t back down and said the three courses he had done didn’t count so - I gave him three more courses free of charge and he had to sit through them again
ROG:
'… So do dcpc trainers check that those sitting on any dcpc courses are actually in the dcpc periodic system…’
Yes, but to really throw them is not to tick the ‘data protection’ waiver box - which in effect will nullify the whole session
The trainers conundrum is that they need to upload data to Big Brother, who - surprise-bloody-surprise, wants to know about it by notifying (it’s not up for discussion) a computer in Brussels about us being good Europeans and all our associated personal data: Thus, it is not protected at all - so why the pantomime to ask?!
The whole charade is as much use, subtle, democratic and wanted as a kick in the 'nads - so no surprises that my attitude to being manipulated by creepily duff pseudo-training is ignore all federal garbage, all vestige of cosy buy-in and imagine the EU’s toy-town money up Jean-Paul’s money-maker
In the case of an owner driver or idividual this could be a problem. But for an employed driver this should never happen as the TM should check their licence before employing them
i once picked up 2 drivers that should have had the initial dcpc. I informed their boss who said i was wrong as he had paid the DVLA to do a licence check. Turns out the basic licence check does not include DCPC. Both had to re sit the course as he made them stay as he said I was wrong.
The DSA has been working closely with the Identity and Passport Service (IPS) so they;they can accept UK Identity Cards issued by IPS as an alternative means by which candidates may confirm their identity for all types of driving tests and Driver CPC periodic training.
Candidates for driving tests and periodic training need to produce evidence of their entitlement to drive the relevant vehicle and prove their identity before the test or training can commence. Candidates may currently do this by way of a driving licence. Where the licence does not contain a photograph a valid passport is also required.
Candidates will still need to confirm their driving entitlement by producing their driving licence but, with effect from 27 April, candidates who do not have a photocard licence will be able to use a valid UK ID Card issued by IPS as an alternative to their passport.
Any candidate who is unable to satisfy the examiner of their driving entitlement or identity will have their test cancelled and may lose their fee.
ugt:
‘…We always check licences and have a form to fill in …’
Aah, smiling like a good Euro-citizen too
Oh how playing ball must please Big Brother’s faceless & undemocratic whip hand
One shall surely reap the reward of their Grey Heaven of having their bat thrust up one’s ■■■■with alien tongues & their compulsory values as neighbours
ROG:
Those drivers will not have those hours uploaded onto the DVLA database because they are not in the periodic system and will have wasted their time and money
Anyone who takes the DCPC is wasting their time and money.
But there was a Polish bloke supposed to be on thee same course as me, but when the trainer checked his licence, for some reason he couldn’t take the course and left after 10 minutes of the first day.
Harry Monk:
‘…there was a Polish bloke supposed to be on thee same course as me, but when the trainer checked his licence, for some reason he … left after 10 minutes of the first day…’
Aah, but did he leave with or without the credit
Turning-up is possibly counted as credit where his licence is administered - seeing as not all nations are taking the DCPC as slavishly as this one
Xenophobic Persecuted Stuffed by yes-men politicians Racist
mine checked my licence when i did my dcpc last month, he also said there is rumours going around that the current format for dcpc training will probably be changing too an exam based style course along the same lines as the adr course too stop drivers doing the same course over and over.
