Solly:
I read in a well known Trucking Magazine…who it seems supports the moves… that the government, at the behest of business’ and employers…who else…are about to introduce more anti “Industrial Laws”…Acts actually, to reduce workers rights even more. This legislation, if successful affects everyone who is working, Union members or not. The injustice of it all is that the individual worker will be priced out of the proceedure. Well nothing has changed there then!
The new employment laws will put every worker at a distinct disadvantage. Not only will you find it difficult…if not impossible to fight your case at a tribunal every possible obstruction will be put in your way to discourage any defensive action by you and you will have little or no chance of representation or justice.
Brilliant move eh! caledonian■■?
No guesses that the next move then would be closure of the tribunal service because it’s now an irrelevance and to save money.Followed by reduction or even removal of the minimum wage to provide better ‘competitiveness’ and to build on the ‘advantages’ provided by the continuing programme of reductions in uncompetitive practices and obstacles like employment protection laws.
Yeah mate I’d bet my house on it and other rights being in the grand scheme of taking us back to pre Victorian times. In fact if anyone wanted a long term bet they’d get good odds.
A good reason for starting a “DEDICATED TRUCKERS UNION”■■
My word, seems this issue strikes a chord with a lot of people - and some clearly feel very strongly indeed - even if some of you are sick of the subject.
I passed on some stats, expressed some general views and asked a few general questions right at the start of all this, as I thought and continue to think it would be a good idea to speak with one voice on certain issues. I didn’t claim to have thought anything through in any detail, I was just seeking some idea of how people felt and what if anything was already out there and how effective (or otherwise) it was. I certainly didn’t expect to be attacked for asking a question. Anyway, looks like not everybody has settled for the status quo despite the views of some to the contrary.
Thanks for taking the time to offer your opinions. Very interesting, and the different “takes” on social history and social engineering since the 19th century make it clear nothing is ever black and white.
Drive Safe.
Solly:
:lol: It’s amazing to see that so many Truck Drivers believe the UNION Movement only started in the 1970’s.
Weren’t any of you taught Social History at school and elsewhere…or did/do most get their information on such subjects from the “Murdoch media” and the government’s paymaster statements?
FYI and don’t get upset by this revelation…The Union Movement has been in existence for 100’s of years.
Many men and women with more backbone than most on this forum suffered extreme deprivation, were deported, and died for the basic rights we enjoy today. Governments and their paymasters have tried to overturn these basic rights for just as long…and most of you are breaking your necks to assist them ffs.
Most of you deserve everything that is coming to you. Enjoy… and don’t bleat when it eventually happens. You had the chance and [zb] it.
Solly:
:lol: It’s amazing to see that so many Truck Drivers believe the UNION Movement only started in the 1970’s.
Weren’t any of you taught Social History at school and elsewhere…or did/do most get their information on such subjects from the “Murdoch media” and the government’s paymaster statements?
FYI and don’t get upset by this revelation…The Union Movement has been in existence for 100’s of years.
Many men and women with more backbone than most on this forum suffered extreme deprivation, were deported, and died for the basic rights we enjoy today. Governments and their paymasters have tried to overturn these basic rights for just as long…and most of you are breaking your necks to assist them ffs.
The first Unions were formed in the 1820s, roughly.
One of the earliest was a Dorset farm labourers union. The men who formed this union became known as The Tolpuddle Martyrs. They were transported to Australia for the crime of forming a union.
Later they were pardoned and got free transport back to Britain.
It’s due to the efforts of men like these forming unions that we have things like weekends, overtime pay, holidays, minimum wage, terms and conditions/contract of employment etc.
I have it on good authority that my great great grandfather was deported to america for being a founding member of the county durham miners union which was the second significant attempt to form a trade union movement. At that time you could only move jobs once a year and the conditions were literally terrible. There must have been a higher death rate down the mines than there was in the first and second world wars or at least it was comparible. Without the trade union movement things would be a lot lot worse than they are today and without it we are ■■■■■■.
Blimey! That seems to have sparked some lively debate and no mistake. Still, on balance, looks like the general conclusion would have to be that there’s no point in a union of truckers unless pretty much every driver joined it?
pja666:
Blimey! That seems to have sparked some lively debate and no mistake. Still, on balance, looks like the general conclusion would have to be that there’s no point in a union of truckers unless pretty much every driver joined it?
This section (my emphasis) in your second sentence seems to be pretty loosely based, and is in direct contradiction to history regardless of how the “Corporate Media” have tried to alter or airbrush it.
