Bin Man:
It needs to more relevant to the job you do and 4 hours we all know if they cut all the waffle out 4 hours would be plenty.
You can already do a half day or 3.5 hrs, so that’s your 4hrs. hrs squeezed into 7hrs.
Remember that the training providers are mainly doing what JAUPT are requiring. A bit more fluid approach by JAUPT could really change things.
True; but JAUPT themselves are a not-for-profit company who depend on the training industry for their existence. So they’re unlikely to do anything which cuts income or adds extra costs for the people who provide them with the reason for their sustainable future; as I presume their level income is dependent on the training companies. Just because they’re not-for-profit doesn’t make them a charity.
@ Robroy; your recent comment noted, but DCPC goes back a bit further than you estimate, it was started in 2008. So pretty much a whole generation of drivers have had to do it now, and the really old hands who were most set against it (largely because they DID think they knew it all) have long retired. The current generation of young drivers now accept it as a necessary evil, like bikers do crash helmets.
To further that analogy, there are still a ■■■■■■■■ of those bikers who believe that accidents cannot happen to them, just because they were lucky for 40 years, and therefore the legislation isn’t necessary. Thus it is with lorry drivers and DCPC.
Bin Man:
It needs to more relevant to the job you do and 4 hours we all know if they cut all the waffle out 4 hours would be plenty.
You can already do a half day or 3.5 hrs, so that’s your 4hrs. hrs squeezed into 7hrs.
Remember that the training providers are mainly doing what JAUPT are requiring. A bit more fluid approach by JAUPT could really change things.
A guy comes to our depot usually on a Saturday and we do the full 7 hours.
switchlogic:
Needs to be made more serious, more in-depth and tested so ultimately it’ll become something worth having. It’s a very worthwhile idea badly implemented. Those calling for its abolition are effectively saying they should be able to work their entire career with no further training. Then on the other breath moan about not being seen and respected as professionals.
Thing is Luke you’ve admitted yourself that it is your intention to start an instructor business up, so you’re hardly going to slag it off are you?
Bin Man:
It needs to more relevant to the job you do and 4 hours we all know if they cut all the waffle out 4 hours would be plenty.
You can already do a half day or 3.5 hrs, so that’s your 4hrs. hrs squeezed into 7hrs.
Remember that the training providers are mainly doing what JAUPT are requiring. A bit more fluid approach by JAUPT could really change things.
A guy comes to our depot usually on a Saturday and we do the full 7 hours.
You’ve hit on what is probably one of the main reasons why a lot of drivers don’t like DCPC; because it drags them into work on what they consider a free day, to do something they don’t like doing anyway.
Strange how the same blokes queue up for a Saturday run of similar length if it means a bit of overtime!
It’s amazing how attitudes have changed, and how authorities like the Govt can drip feed stuff down to the population in a technique designed where everybody starts to believe stuff.
I don’t know anyone at our place who thinks it’s nothing more than money making scheme,. I don’t think attitudes have changed I think drivers have realised it will never get scrapped and have given up all hope.
Bin Man:
It needs to more relevant to the job you do and 4 hours we all know if they cut all the waffle out 4 hours would be plenty.
You can already do a half day or 3.5 hrs, so that’s your 4hrs. hrs squeezed into 7hrs.
Remember that the training providers are mainly doing what JAUPT are requiring. A bit more fluid approach by JAUPT could really change things.
A guy comes to our depot usually on a Saturday and we do the full 7 hours.
You’ve hit on what is probably one of the main reasons why a lot of drivers don’t like DCPC; because it drags them into work on what they consider a free day, to do something they don’t like doing anyway.
Strange how the same blokes queue up for a Saturday run of similar length if it means a bit of overtime!
We get paid time and a half to sit on our arses doing nowt for 7 hours you would think most drivers would love it but they don’t
We have to work Saturdays following bank holiday Mondays no one looks forward to those believe me.
I think it should be kept, and at least one full refresher day on tachograph laws every 5 years, or maybe spread it to how most proper companies are doing things now, a day every year of which an hour to brush up on tacho laws would do no one any harm.
Many of us go nowhere near the extremes of hours that some others do in this industry (thankfully) and i for one would be unsure of what absolute maximums apply and calculating payback times required because i’d worked the equivalent of 3 weeks in the last 10 days, for the simple reason many of us don’t work those sorts of hours, that’s why companies have trainers so if the crap hits the fan maybe during extreme weather, we can make a phone call and get confirmation what we thought we could do legally we really can.
The rest of the time we don’t need to see endless videos of trailers being pulled off bays complete with fork truck dropping down the gap, nor do we need to see half wits demolishing entire warehouses because they allowed said half wit to drive said fork truck.
What we need are experienced in actual lorry world trainers hosting group discussions on the finer points of lorry operations and driving, every day is a schoolday and none of us even if we think we do know everything.
Too often the trainers involved have little to no practical experience…and i offer for proof the clown who hosted the very first DCPC session i attended (and the first and last time my compnay used that training provider), who told us he was a HGV driving instructor and was trying to convince everyone that brakes to slow gears to go was how lorries should be driven, him and i had a disagreement over that because there were several new drivers there who would be better off not assuming that totally wrong ■■■■■■■■ was the gospel.
switchlogic:
Needs to be made more serious, more in-depth and tested so ultimately it’ll become something worth having. It’s a very worthwhile idea badly implemented. Those calling for its abolition are effectively saying they should be able to work their entire career with no further training. Then on the other breath moan about not being seen and respected as professionals.
Thing is Luke you’ve admitted yourself that it is your intention to start an instructor business up, so you’re hardly going to slag it off are you?
So that make my opinion irrelevant does it?
If that’s the way you choose to interpret it Luke yeh, whatever you like.m but tbf that was not the extent of my reply to you, I did go on to elaborate.
I notice you did not comment or disagree with the rest of my post, so I will also go on to interpret it myself…that you agree with me.
Juddian:
I think it should be kept, and at least one full refresher day on tachograph laws every 5 years, or maybe spread it to how most proper companies are doing things now, a day every year of which an hour to brush up on tacho laws would do no one any harm.
Many of us go nowhere near the extremes of hours that some others do in this industry (thankfully) and i for one would be unsure of what absolute maximums apply and calculating payback times required because i’d worked the equivalent of 3 weeks in the last 10 days, for the simple reason many of us don’t work those sorts of hours, that’s why companies have trainers so if the crap hits the fan maybe during extreme weather, we can make a phone call and get confirmation what we thought we could do legally we really can.
The rest of the time we don’t need to see endless videos of trailers being pulled off bays complete with fork truck dropping down the gap, nor do we need to see half wits demolishing entire warehouses because they allowed said half wit to drive said fork truck.
What we need are experienced in actual lorry world trainers hosting group discussions on the finer points of lorry operations and driving, every day is a schoolday and none of us even if we think we do know everything.
Too often the trainers involved have little to no practical experience…and i offer for proof the clown who hosted the very first DCPC session i attended (and the first and last time my compnay used that training provider), who told us he was a HGV driving instructor and was trying to convince everyone that brakes to slow gears to go was how lorries should be driven, him and i had a disagreement over that because there were several new drivers there who would be better off not assuming that totally wrong ■■■■■■■■ was the gospel.
It’s hard to have any interest or respect for something that loses me so much money for what appears to me as so little gain.
First aid is a good idea and perhaps a course on what to do in certain emergency situations (car upside down, in a ditch, on fire sorta thing) would work for me.
If the hours were simplified to something sensible instead of 45 hour in 3 days with all the false accounting to make it look like we work sensible hours (POA I’m looking at you, compensation 3 weeks later what’s the point etc).
I’m 60 next year, so I’m planning on taking the ■■■■■■■ thing only once more anyway. After that it can go bollox.
Juddian:
I think it should be kept, and at least one full refresher day on tachograph laws every 5 years, or maybe spread it to how most proper companies are doing things now, a day every year of which an hour to brush up on tacho laws would do no one any harm.
Many of us go nowhere near the extremes of hours that some others do in this industry (thankfully) and i for one would be unsure of what absolute maximums apply and calculating payback times required because i’d worked the equivalent of 3 weeks in the last 10 days, for the simple reason many of us don’t work those sorts of hours, that’s why companies have trainers so if the crap hits the fan maybe during extreme weather, we can make a phone call and get confirmation what we thought we could do legally we really can.
The rest of the time we don’t need to see endless videos of trailers being pulled off bays complete with fork truck dropping down the gap, nor do we need to see half wits demolishing entire warehouses because they allowed said half wit to drive said fork truck.
What we need are experienced in actual lorry world trainers hosting group discussions on the finer points of lorry operations and driving, every day is a schoolday and none of us even if we think we do know everything.
Too often the trainers involved have little to no practical experience…and i offer for proof the clown who hosted the very first DCPC session i attended (and the first and last time my compnay used that training provider), who told us he was a HGV driving instructor and was trying to convince everyone that brakes to slow gears to go was how lorries should be driven, him and i had a disagreement over that because there were several new drivers there who would be better off not assuming that totally wrong ■■■■■■■■ was the gospel.
Absolutely agree.
Blowing a bit hot and cold on this aren’t you chap
I agree that there are many issues that need to be addressed with DCPC. The variation of courses seems to differ greatly from what you read on here.
Drivers hours, first aid and a lot more practicality of driving correctly and securing loads are just some of what could be improved.
Unfortunately there are some that are stuck in a time warp and don’t seem to realise things have moved on since the 60’s and 70’s.
Even if the DCPC was a perfect system it would not solve what is arguably the biggest issue with it, that being the attitudes of drivers who have to take it.
Learning, or perhaps more appropriately, being taught, is viewed as such a negative in the industry that it makes the job of the instructor so much harder from the outset.
Look at how many drivers left the industry as a direct result of it being introduced, their attitude being one of ‘I’ve done the job x number of years, you’re not going to teach me anything, this is an insult’. This attitude is still prevalent in more experienced drivers. When you have people who won’t even entertain the idea of learning then you have no chance of teaching them
Juddian:
I think it should be kept, and at least one full refresher day on tachograph laws every 5 years, or maybe spread it to how most proper companies are doing things now, a day every year of which an hour to brush up on tacho laws would do no one any harm.
Many of us go nowhere near the extremes of hours that some others do in this industry (thankfully) and i for one would be unsure of what absolute maximums apply and calculating payback times required because i’d worked the equivalent of 3 weeks in the last 10 days, for the simple reason many of us don’t work those sorts of hours, that’s why companies have trainers so if the crap hits the fan maybe during extreme weather, we can make a phone call and get confirmation what we thought we could do legally we really can.
The rest of the time we don’t need to see endless videos of trailers being pulled off bays complete with fork truck dropping down the gap, nor do we need to see half wits demolishing entire warehouses because they allowed said half wit to drive said fork truck.
What we need are experienced in actual lorry world trainers hosting group discussions on the finer points of lorry operations and driving, every day is a schoolday and none of us even if we think we do know everything.
Too often the trainers involved have little to no practical experience…and i offer for proof the clown who hosted the very first DCPC session i attended (and the first and last time my compnay used that training provider), who told us he was a HGV driving instructor and was trying to convince everyone that brakes to slow gears to go was how lorries should be driven, him and i had a disagreement over that because there were several new drivers there who would be better off not assuming that totally wrong ■■■■■■■■ was the gospel.
Absolutely agree.
Blowing a bit hot and cold on this aren’t you chap
I’ll just use your tactic then…here goes, …wait for it.(chap )
Oh how true that is Terry although when LGV training the biggest majority had a good attitude.
Never been involved with DCPC (thank goodness)
but as you say there are many that can’t handle being told what to do. The know it all type who usually are the most incompetent. There were a couple on the one and only CPC course I did which I must say was not that bad. It even involved some practical driving some of which was horrific.
Juddian:
I think it should be kept, and at least one full refresher day on tachograph laws every 5 years, or maybe spread it to how most proper companies are doing things now, a day every year of which an hour to brush up on tacho laws would do no one any harm.
Many of us go nowhere near the extremes of hours that some others do in this industry (thankfully) and i for one would be unsure of what absolute maximums apply and calculating payback times required because i’d worked the equivalent of 3 weeks in the last 10 days, for the simple reason many of us don’t work those sorts of hours, that’s why companies have trainers so if the crap hits the fan maybe during extreme weather, we can make a phone call and get confirmation what we thought we could do legally we really can.
The rest of the time we don’t need to see endless videos of trailers being pulled off bays complete with fork truck dropping down the gap, nor do we need to see half wits demolishing entire warehouses because they allowed said half wit to drive said fork truck.
What we need are experienced in actual lorry world trainers hosting group discussions on the finer points of lorry operations and driving, every day is a schoolday and none of us even if we think we do know everything.
Too often the trainers involved have little to no practical experience…and i offer for proof the clown who hosted the very first DCPC session i attended (and the first and last time my compnay used that training provider), who told us he was a HGV driving instructor and was trying to convince everyone that brakes to slow gears to go was how lorries should be driven, him and i had a disagreement over that because there were several new drivers there who would be better off not assuming that totally wrong ■■■■■■■■ was the gospel.
Absolutely agree.
Blowing a bit hot and cold on this aren’t you chap
I’ll just use your tactic then…here goes, …wait for it.(chap )
switchlogic:
Needs to be made more serious, more in-depth and tested so ultimately it’ll become something worth having. It’s a very worthwhile idea badly implemented. Those calling for its abolition are effectively saying they should be able to work their entire career with no further training. Then on the other breath moan about not being seen and respected as professionals.
I agree. This is my Chauffeurs Diploma, a respected and crucial document if you wanted to be a driver for Hire and Reward (I.e. not just own goods).
It involved a fair bit of home study, or few days in a classroom if you wished, and a three part exam, taking in everything truck related. You had to know how the engine etc worked, the brake system, you’d be quized on hooking up and dropping, different marking shields, road craft, you’d be given a start point, load and destination, and had to explain, with an atlas, which route you’d take and why. All manner of documentation (national and international), first aid, repairs etc. Mostly no multiple choice answers.
If you failed (when I went, it was a 70% pass rate), you’d be limited to own account work. For artic/drawbar, and additional test was included.
That piece of paper meant something. That’s why I still keep it. DCPC in its current state is as much use as a chocolate tea pot…
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