The Dcpc is a good idea, if all the trainer’s were reading from the same sheet,and not continually spoutting RDC waiting room crap, some of which is totally misleading for younger inexperienced drivers. The reason it’s needed is because of the amount of steering wheel attendee’s, who are told what to do by pointy shoes. Also most of today’s pilots didn’t start on a van, then 7.5ton then big boy lorry, learn how to reverse in a yard, shown how to load, …etc etc.
Yes I know, there will be the passed my test at 10 in tut morning, then at 11 I was driving a 141 to catch the ferry to go to the middle East.
Got told using POA meant could extend working day to more than 15 hours. Think he was getting mixed up with POA extending WTD time rather than drivers hours regs.
the old timer:
Got told using POA meant could extend working day to more than 15 hours. Think he was getting mixed up with POA extending WTD time rather than drivers hours regs.
You sound like a very calm, forgiving person.
If someone in the position of training others started spouting such stuff I doubt I would say they were merely “getting mixed up”.
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Tgtrucker:
Two points spring to mind;
Maybe choose better suited courses to attend, or ask your employer to do so if it’s they that make the decision, even go to a different provider if necessary.
Secondly, while you may well be on top of your game a quick read through these forums would suggest you’re in the minority.
Daily there are posts on these forums asking questions, or stating opinions that suggest many so called qualified professional drivers are anything but. Even the most basic knowledge can be lacking and unfortunately there will be drivers on the same course as yourself that definitely do need to be taught how to do their job day to day.
I don’t believe this a fault of the DCPC in theory, I personally believe it’s actually very necessary, but more the fault of the way it’s implemented and of employers choosing unsuitable trainers and courses.
I can pick which courses and training organisations I use, I just get them to invoice the company.
To get my 35 hours for this card I’ve been to 3 different training providers, the first 2 instructors were really poor, even though they’d both been drivers they came over with a sense of superiority and neither really knew how to be instructors. It’s a different skill set and just because you might know your stuff it doesn’t mean you can put it across to a room of people.
The last instructor was far better, actually knew how to handle a class of bored drivers, we didn’t have the obligatory know it all who wanted everyone to benefit from their knowledge and the whole thing was pretty chilled out.
But for me the quality of training needs to be addressed and then we might actually start to have some sort of standardised system that refreshes drivers knowledge and updates them with new regulations within the industry.
I learnt more from the new operator’s seminar I attended a few weeks earlier, taken by 2 proper old school DVSA chaps, who were quite open and critical of some of the changes in the DVSA.
Today’s.
Traffic wombles, can now prohibited your vehicle,they can also check for drivers hours.
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Today’s.
Traffic wombles, can now prohibited your vehicle,they can also check for drivers hours.
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“As a commercial driver, you might be asked to stop by the police or a Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency (DVSA) officer. They can stop vans, lorries, buses and coaches.
The police and DVSA have the power to carry out spot checks on your vehicle and issue prohibitions if necessary. A prohibition prevents you from driving until you get a problem with your vehicle fixed.
Police and DVSA officers can also issue fixed penalties if you commit an offence. Some of these are graduated depending on the circumstances and seriousness of the offence.
The checks are used to keep unsafe vehicles off the road.
The officer checks that the vehicle is not breaking any rules and regulations. This includes:
checking authorised load weights and type of load permitted
checking vehicles for roadworthiness and mechanical faults
looking at your tachograph records
making sure you have a valid occupational driving licence
Your vehicle could be impounded if you commit a series of serious offences.”
gov.uk/roadside-vehicle-che … al-drivers
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Once upon a time ,
a new driver would go out with an experienced driver for a week, to learn the ropes, and how to load and fasten stuff down, and all sorts of interesting and essential information about the job …
why don’t we bring that idea back and call it periodic training ■■?
Trukkertone:
Once upon a time ,
a new driver would go out with an experienced driver for a week, to learn the ropes, and how to load and fasten stuff down, and all sorts of interesting and essential information about the job …
why don’t we bring that idea back and call it periodic training ■■?
Talking that much sense can get you into all sorts of bother these days!
Once upon a time…
Prospective drivers would ride around in the passenger seat learning everything for months on end about loading, reversing, driving, route planning and where the best cafes were.
By the time most of them took their test, they’d already done half a million miles.
yourhavingalarf:
Once upon a time…
Prospective drivers would ride around in the passenger seat learning everything for months on end about loading, reversing, driving, route planning and where the best cafes were.
By the time most of them took their test, they’d already done half a million miles.
When I embarked on this ‘career’ in 1991, that was already a thing of the past. On my first day on the wagons (van Gend en Loos in Hengelo), I was given a key and a stack of delivery notes , and told to get going, sharply…
I think the (rose tinted) memories of lads going out with a seasoned driver (or sons with their dad), to learn the ropes, involved Leyland octopus and AEC Mandator wagons…
the nodding donkey:
yourhavingalarf:
Once upon a time…
Prospective drivers would ride around in the passenger seat learning everything for months on end about loading, reversing, driving, route planning and where the best cafes were.
By the time most of them took their test, they’d already done half a million miles.
When I embarked on this ‘career’ in 1991, that was already a thing of the past. On my first day on the wagons (van Gend en Loos in Hengelo), I was given a key and a stack of delivery notes , and told to get going, sharply…
I think the (rose tinted) memories of lads going out with a seasoned driver (or sons with their dad), to learn the ropes, involved Leyland octopus and AEC Mandator wagons…
In my case it was Leyland Marathon and Guy Big J however it was not always the case that it did much good. Sometimes it put a driver back. All depended on the driver giving the opinions and showing the practical side. I remember quite clearly going out with 2 or 3 different drivers who were all adamant that there way was correct although after years of experience I realise all what I was shown was not quite correct.
We don’t need other drivers showing new drivers as too many have bad habits which are then passed passed on. We need proper professional training by people that know what they are talking about.
Ha, no wonder standards are so poor.
I was offered a job twenty odd years ago I asked if I could come in on the Saturday just to see how things were done. Boss man said ok so I meet the driver and the rest of the boys all say don’t listen to him ,you will learn nothing etc etc. We need relevant training from a trainer who knows how to do the job and how to train .
alamcculloch:
I was offered a job twenty odd years ago I asked if I could come in on the Saturday just to see how things were done. Boss man said ok so I meet the driver and the rest of the boys all say don’t listen to him ,you will learn nothing etc etc. We need relevant training from a trainer who knows how to do the job and how to train .
Exactly right, but then we also need drivers that listen, understand and do things the correct way instead doing it their way. Far too many just don’t like being told what to do and if they don’t agree the trainer is called every name under the sun. 
jakethesnake:
alamcculloch:
I was offered a job twenty odd years ago I asked if I could come in on the Saturday just to see how things were done. Boss man said ok so I meet the driver and the rest of the boys all say don’t listen to him ,you will learn nothing etc etc. We need relevant training from a trainer who knows how to do the job and how to train .
Exactly right, but then we also need drivers that listen, understand and do things the correct way instead doing it their way. Far too many just don’t like being told what to do and if they don’t agree the trainer is called every name under the sun.
Can I get back to you when I pick my jaw up from off the ■■■■■■ floor!
Nope, NO, I must resist the urge to reply, need sleep first.
What we need, is people who actually want to be professional drivers.
