Day off after first day for another job interview

muckles:

robroy:

jrt:
min wage pay, long hours, dirty grafting work.

What is it with some of you lot :unamused: .
Why is everybody so intent on showing any respect to this outfit.
Crap job, crap work, crap conditions, for the reward of minimum wage :unamused:
No disrespect to o/p but maybe he was the only one… (fill in the blank)… enough to apply for it .

The thing is the OP said they couldn’t find anything else, I did wonder if this was because they were a newly qualified driver. So even a few month with this outfit might give him the experience to go elsewhere.

Yeh ok, fair comment, but that is what these type of cowboys bank on…desperation, I’m bloody sure I would not apply for it as I am as sure you wouldn’t.
I thought agencies took on newbies, and even if they don’t, he could always exaggerate his experience to get in :bulb:
I would not bother about lying to agencies, and certainly not if it was the difference between working and not working, or working for a bunch of shysters.
As I said in my first post, you have to be a realist, and look after No.1.

robroy:

muckles:
The thing is the OP said they couldn’t find anything else, I did wonder if this was because they were a newly qualified driver. So even a few month with this outfit might give him the experience to go elsewhere.

Yeh ok, fair comment, but that is what these type of cowboys bank on…desperation, I’m bloody sure I would not apply for it as I am as sure you wouldn’t.
I thought agencies took on newbies, and even if they don’t, he could always exaggerate his experience to get in :bulb:
I would not bother about lying to agencies, and certainly not if it was the difference between working and not working, or working for a bunch of shysters.
As I said in my first post, you have to look after No.1.

Hopefully I wouldn’t need to apply for a minimum wage job as I hope you wouldn’t as we’d know and are known by enough people in our respective industries, to get a job by recommendation.
But when I was a newbie I would have taken anything to get a foot in the door and the all important experience, agencies weren’t an option for me then but I’ve done agency and work can be hit and miss especially in certain parts of the country and I did it with a few years experience behind me, I feel that for a newbie you get thrown in and don’t get the sort help from other drivers you work with that you’d get as a full time employee.

robroy:
Ok I apologise :blush: , I’m even more intolerant than usual. :smiley:
I bet Rafa isn’t negotiating for minimum wage. :bulb:

Big Sam would have been cheaper mate, and may have kept you up, just as he managed with Sunderland! :smiley:

That should light the touch paper… :grimacing:

Going back to the discussion, I’m assuming the OP is green as grass, and if the perm job is obtainable and realistic considering their experience, I’d definitely agree that it should provide a better training and learning environment for a Newbie…
Even though I limp, I kind of feel I did both, as I started at a firm green when I did my Class C, but was still there when I upgraded to C+E. So I knew nothing and no one when I was thrown the keys to a Rigid, but had plenty of help, support and advice when I first went out in an Artic, as by then I knew everyone… I’d even had practice in an Artic in the company yard before my lessons thanks to a few good blokes, which included the TM! :open_mouth:

Minimum wage is not enough to buy loyalty, I would be honest but rather than speaking with the big company who has offered you an interview to try to rearrange the interview time I would speak to the ā€˜temporary, low paid work company’ and tell them that you have been offered an interview which you would like to attend, and if they try to stand in your way - go to the interview anyway!

switchlogic:
I wouldn’t worry about it. Employees come and go endlessly, don’t worry about how a company feels, it doesn’t, just look after yoursekf

As above ! at the end of the day your just a payroll number to them , look after your self

Thanks for all the feed back so far. I have had all the same thoughts as what has been writen on here. It is just very ackard. I am abit ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā–  of with the company that offerd the interview as thay only emailed me friday afternoon to see them tuseday !!

there is no other time or day offerd and no way of contacting them as its an automated email, no number to call or email to reply. really thay are simple expecting me and a good many others as its a group interview to drop every comitment we have to just go and see them for something we might not even get.

really its a single days notice. i wounder how thay would feel if one of there employees wanted a day off with a single days notice…? for an interview somewhere els…?

the thing is the job at this big place is paying min wage too. But its the future prospects that are hopfull better. if u get selected. I just think its off that thay expect people just to be able to get time off like that.

I have no lorry driving expirance, and was going to get that first expirance with temp job as thay drive 7.5 tonn and have a 18 tonn. thay usenthem to drive to and from building tempory struchars so its not on the road all day lonhg stuff. any was a good way of getting a start driving lorries. so this was the real value of going with them in the first place. long term after doing 6 months with them. i could say i have planty exprence and hopfully get into christmas work near the time i leave there.

But this other place is van driving droping off food to customers houses, for a very upmarket supa market. but that do run 7.5 tonnsout of bristol i think and run hgv out of bracknil I think. and from what i have heard some of the best payed work about. and best treated staff too.

I am emplyed dircty with the temp firm by the way. wrich i gess is better for them as there paying agency staff same as me but thay dont have to pay the agency bit on top. so I am cheaper then getting me throw agnecy…

Take the temp job starting Monday, the perm job probably isn’t a good job anyway, just the best where hard graft is mandatory!
You will have far better opportunities once you have a bit of experience, even if it’s only a temp role…

Evil8Beezle:
Take the temp job starting Monday, the perm job isn’t a good job anyway!
You will have far better opportunities once you have a bit of experience, even if it’s only a temp role…

Yep I agree get to September with a bit of experience, then get on agency for the run up to Christmas and hopefully find a better job that way or alternatively if you enjoy the variety of the temporary structures work you could look at event and exhibition work for next year.

Not impressed by the attitude of the Supermarket for their interview and minimum wage again. :open_mouth:

jrt:
Thanks for all the feed back so far. I have had all the same thoughts as what has been writen on here. It is just very ackard. I am abit ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā–  of with the company that offerd the interview as thay only emailed me friday afternoon to see them tuseday !!

there is no other time or day offerd and no way of contacting them as its an automated email, no number to call or email to reply. really thay are simple expecting me and a good many others as its a group interview to drop every comitment we have to just go and see them for something we might not even get.

really its a single days notice. i wounder how thay would feel if one of there employees wanted a day off with a single days notice…? for an interview somewhere els…?

the thing is the job at this big place is paying min wage too. But its the future prospects that are hopfull better. if u get selected. I just think its off that thay expect people just to be able to get time off like that.

I have no lorry driving expirance, and was going to get that first expirance with temp job as thay drive 7.5 tonn and have a 18 tonn. thay usenthem to drive to and from building tempory struchars so its not on the road all day lonhg stuff. any was a good way of getting a start driving lorries. so this was the real value of going with them in the first place. long term after doing 6 months with them. i could say i have planty exprence and hopfully get into christmas work near the time i leave there.

But this other place is van driving droping off food to customers houses, for a very upmarket supa market. but that do run 7.5 tonnsout of bristol i think and run hgv out of bracknil I think. and from what i have heard some of the best payed work about. and best treated staff too.

I am emplyed dircty with the temp firm by the way. wrich i gess is better for them as there paying agency staff same as me but thay dont have to pay the agency bit on top. so I am cheaper then getting me throw agnecy…

Haha this further information has changed the situation completely - in fact I’d go as far as to say you totally misrepresented the truth about the big firm’s offer first time around (before ā€œgreat pay, benefits, etcā€¦ā€, now ā€œminimum wageā€).

If you’re just hoping that the large company will have opportunities to work your way up, but aren’t offering good terms at the outset, then I wouldn’t get your hopes up on that (and small established firms are more likely to do something special to keep and develop good staff these days, whereas larger firms just trawl the markets endlessly for ready-made candidates and offer exactly what they say on the tin and nothing more).

I’d now say the large firm isn’t offering you a good deal at all - the reason they’re expecting you to be available at short notice is because they’re trawling at the bottom and expect you to be unemployed (not to be leaving an existing role for them).

A turd in the hand is worth two turds in the bush.

If you have a Cat C licence, you want to be looking hard for Cat C work and nothing less - take anything, because as soon as you have a week’s experience, you’ll have far more opportunities than when you had no experience at all. And especially don’t join a large firm on vans and expect to be given a go of the larger wagons - that’s very unlikely to happen indeed.

You can drive a Transit van for 30 years and won’t learn a thing about the challenges unique to larger vehicles, and at the end firms recruiting for Cat C work will still say ā€œyou’ve got no experienceā€. Most of the time, they are just trying to get candidates to do van work which nobody wants, for worse pay than you’d expect for the HGV work which you are licenced to do.

Stuff like this just goes to prove what most of us know.
The ā€˜Driver Shortage’ myth, is just that.
If it was genuine, lads like the o/p who are as keen as mustard to get a start in the job would be snapped up instantly.

Bloody hell i thought the perm job was supposed to be paying a proper wage not bloody min again.

I give up, the race to the bottom is over, its only the the stragglers limping home now. :unamused:

The big firm sound no better and with a lot of big firm attitude thrown in.

I’d go with whoever is best for your circumstances and will give you some experience that will help you get another job.

Even my van drivers are on well over minimum wage.

Have gone with the small company for now. Seemed like a good bunch of people. Like the job so far. Althought its hard graft, but theres lots of pluses to that. First day has been pritty good. so that desided it. I hope in time another chance might come at the other place. hopefully at a better time. Thay will proberly want people on the run up to christmas. so maybe then the chance will come. Thanks for the input all. just hope I can hack the pace ! ?

And that’s what he thinks of our advice :unamused: . :laughing: :laughing:

Hope the job goes ok for you mate. :wink:

robroy:
And that’s what he thinks of our advice :unamused: . :laughing: :laughing:

Hope the job goes ok for you mate. :wink:

I think we all changed our minds when the other job turned out to be as crap as the first one, but also with little to no chance of getting HGV driving experience. :frowning: Life seems tough for a newbie driver, you can have this temporary low wage job where you’ll at least drive a truck so get some experience or this full-time job on crap pay where you’ll only drive a van. :confused: PS Sorry about the Ā£000’s you’ve just paid for your Medical, DCPC, training,

and the big wigs in the industry wonder why they can’t get new recruits to replace us old ā– ā– ā– ā– ā–  when we finally give up? :confused: :open_mouth:

It’s not too bad Muckles. The wise amongst us listen to the old hands and seem to do ok!

muckles:

robroy:
And that’s what he thinks of our advice :unamused: . :laughing: :laughing:

Hope the job goes ok for you mate. :wink:

I think we all changed our minds when the other job turned out to be as crap as the first one, but also with little to no chance of getting HGV driving experience. :frowning: Life seems tough for a newbie driver, you can have this temporary low wage job where you’ll at least drive a truck so get some experience or this full-time job on crap pay where you’ll only drive a van. :confused: PS Sorry about the Ā£000’s you’ve just paid for your Medical, DCPC, training,

and the big wigs in the industry wonder why they can’t get new recruits to replace us old ā– ā– ā– ā– ā–  when we finally give up? :confused: :open_mouth:

Yeh that’s right. I’d hate to be just starting out now with the way things have gone, in fact to be quite honest I don’t think I’d touch a HGV driving job with a barge pole now, if I was in that situation,…
It bears little or no resemblance to the job that I started.

eagerbeaver:
It’s not too bad Muckles. The wise amongst us listen to the old hands and seem to do ok!

I’m glad you’re doing ok, :smiley:
The best thing I did was fall into a niche job, (more luck than judgement :laughing: ) I’d hate to be running round the UK on general haulage.

muckles:

eagerbeaver:
It’s not too bad Muckles. The wise amongst us listen to the old hands and seem to do ok!

I’m glad you’re doing ok, :smiley:
The best thing I did was fall into a niche job, (more luck than judgement :laughing: ) I’d hate to be running round the UK on general haulage.

Amen to all that Muckles.

Beaver the danger in listening to us old fools is that you’re guaranteed to end up a bit (well a lot then) weird, if you ignored us like all the others you might get through a life of being knight of the road and stay normal… :smiling_imp:

Hope it works out for you jrt. At the very least it will give you experience.

muckles:
I’m glad you’re doing ok, :smiley:
The best thing I did was fall into a niche job, (more luck than judgement :laughing: ) I’d hate to be running round the UK on general haulage.

I couldn’t go back to general, I can’t understand how some of them make money. Or maybe they don’t…