Day cab drivers v trampers

[scaniason]

If you had different limits for tramping and non-tramping, then what happens if, as a day driver, you get held up and can’t get back in your 12 hours?

Presumably then you have to have a night out, so you can then do the longer day, as long as you park up anywhere apart from your depot, even if the depot is closer!

Think it would be a nightmare to administer or police it. I agree that the hours regs need tweaking, but don’t see that you could differentiate between day/night drivers and trampers.

Gary

[ross_v_stobart]

The working time regulations do say that the mobile worker should not work more than 12 hours.
Obviously its difficult to plan in a industry that’s at the control of the weather and traffic delays.
Here is a suggestion ,days are obviously busier so its not advisable to send day drivers to far from,base.
I’m sure 12 hours is enough for a good planner to plan.

I mean driving is limited to ten hours and 9hours so 12 hours is reasonable.
There would need to be more efficient planning and better turn around at customers of cdc.
12 hours is enough for none trampers.
I speak with many drivers who agree.
I mean the maximum is 9hours per day anyway,

I’m sure it could be achieved with better planning.

[geoffo]

villa:
YES i agree ross v stobart
even 12 hours is too much for anyone
but for example lets say everyone done 12 hours a day
a tramper can finish his shift and 5 minutes later
he can be tucked up in bed for a good nights sleep
whereas a day driver will probably go over his hours
cos he has to drive the truck back to his base probably in rush hour
meaning he often works 13/14 hours
and then probably faces a 1 hour car drive to get home
and a 1 hour drive to get back to work the next day
leaving hardly any time to eat or sleep during any 24 hour period
might be lucky if he gets 6 hours in bed
leaving him at serious risk of dozing off at wheel next day
where as the tramper is nice and fresh the next day at work
after spending 12 hours sleeping and dossing on his bunk

It’s down to choices…

One of the reasons I always chose Tramping over Day work…

[delboytwo]

I have done both jobs, days and tramping.

lets start with days, if you see a job and is a day job, you know you have a time to get to work and a time to get home. this is life as we all know and its not work, most companies will work you to the bone OK so there have to make a living as well, otherwise we have no work. no matter what job you do on days most driver will do max hours that week so there can have a better life.

Tramping job, get in truck, the life you choose as that what the job is, the work is the same as the day driver but the only difference is that, your bed is always with you is there ready and waiting, but the downside of tramping is not the hours, its what you miss, home life in some cases the kids growing up,

but i stress this, you have a choice in what job you do, if driving is the job for you, you have to know the shortcoming of it, an most drivers know the hours are crap and the only way that most drivers can get a batter pay packet is to work more hours, to give you and your family a better life

if you want to work less hours find a different career path

[geoffo]

delboytwo:
I have done both jobs, days and tramping.

lets start with days, if you see a job and is a day job, you know you have a time to get to work and a time to get home. this is life as we all know and its not work, most companies will work you to the bone OK so there have to make a living as well, otherwise we have no work. no matter what job you do on days most driver will do max hours that week so there can have a better life.

Tramping job, get in truck, the life you choose as that what the job is, the work is the same as the day driver but the only difference is that, your bed is always with you is there ready and waiting, but the downside of tramping is not the hours, its what you miss, home life in some cases the kids growing up,

but i stress this, you have a choice in what job you do, if driving is the job for you, you have to know the shortcoming of it, an most drivers know the hours are crap and the only way that most drivers can get a batter pay packet is to work more hours, to give you and your family a better life

if you want to work less hours find a different career path

+1…

[fatboy_slimslow]

Ross v stobart:
I worked out that a none tramper driver can work lets say over40hours by day 3 and has had about 10 or 12hours sleep if he is lucky.
I used to work the maximum at one unscrupulous employers.
By Friday evening I was completely knackered.
I wouldn’t mind but its not rare to work such long hours ,it is normal.
Well you have,to do the hours when,you on 7.00plus per hour.

Imagine how it would be if drivers constantly worked long hours.
Work life balance like a type two obese and a anorexic trucker.

looking at your name VERSUS stobart, you must of work very hard on £ 7. 75 an hour for that unscrupulous employer! obviously you’re not into your third decade of driving class one, otherwise you’d be type two diabetic, obese trucker with no life! yes the hours are long BUT it’s like going ■■■■ diving! and saying you’re going to come back DRY!

[terry_t]

Maybe this is why most of the jobs advertised on Stobarts are for casual drivers. Drivers they can give 14-15 hour shifts to a couple of times a week then get other drivers in for the same.

[ross_v_stobart]

we walk a different path,that’s for,sure.
The,suggestion that if you don’t like,the hours find a different job is the wrong suggestion.
It is if you don’t like the rules,then those should seek a different job.
Ill give you a run down on todays job.
up at 03.45 and start work at 05.45.
Finish work at 19.43, total duty 14.58 minutes. Out of this is 1.01 break and 2hours poa,and yes I went shopping.
The rest was work 11.59 minutes.
That is a pretty normal day ,however there are days with no POA.

You must admit that if you work like that most of the time,then its a lot.
Or maybe I’m wrong and I’m just having a rant over nothing.
Well put it this way if it continued like that,then there is a problem with working time regulation.
So what do you do, you might be a trucker who’s rachis defaults to break,and you drive around having breaks all day.
I say leave the long hours to the tramper.
And if you want long hours then go tramping.
And here is a tip.
if you get involved in a rta,act dumb,like your heads spinning with the fairies

[interlog]

Seriously… find yourself another profession… you must be very frustrated with your job.

[ross_v_stobart]

Sorry if I came across a bit blunt,I do mean well,
got to go the clock is ticking,
Have to be in Northumberland for 10am.
Might catch a glimpse if the shipbuilders steel angel.
I had a bit of a saying,the more you tighten the grip the more difficult to release.
Doesn’t count for wheels mate, “check those wheels”
$afe driving

[farnboroughboy11]

I think your problem lies with you getting up 2 hours before you start work.

[ross_v_stobart]

You make no sense.
See you,
Best wishes.
Lol

[derf]

Have I missed something or is it now established that having a night out or 2 makes you a ‘Tramper’?

I used to to have 3 nights out a week doing 2 regular scheduled routes week in, week out. Manston - Frankfurt - Manston midweek and LHR - Paris - Brussels - LHR at weekends. Both runs were drive overnight, head down during the day, drive back the following night. Did that make me a so called ‘tramper’ or a night driver??

[nsmith1180]

Ross v stobart:
…
I’m sure 12 hours is enough for a good planner to plan.

I mean driving is limited to ten hours and 9hours so 12 hours is reasonable.
There would need to be more efficient planning and better turn around at customers of cdc.
12 hours is enough for none trampers.
I speak with many drivers who agree.
I mean the maximum is 9hours per day anyway,

I’m sure it could be achieved with better planning.

Is what you are smoking actually legal?

I will give you a hypothetical run into an RDC, starting from the Luton aread and running up to around Preston ish.

So card in, a lap of the warehouse to pick up the trailer and out on the road in 30 minutes. Run up the M1 and M6, picking up traffic in the road works, get to Preston-ish with 4 hours driving on the tacho, four and half hours after starting work. Planning is going good here so far.

Plan for an hour to tip at <> before going off to Skelmersdale to reload with crisps from Walkers. Break on the way down at Charnok Richard, arrive at Skem with five hours driving in the books, you have 5.5 hours working left before needing a break. An hour to reload and a three and half hour run back to the warehouse in Luton-ish. My maths says there that we have had 11:45 of my day, So i have fifteen minutes to drop the trailer, park up, and ■■■■■ at the TM for the tight timings.

The day has however gone to your plan. A 12 hour working day.

Add in another couple of hypothetical situations:

1. Big smash on the M6 at junction 2. Cant route around it that easily, not without adding significantly to your drive time anyways.

2. Big RDC has three blokes off sick, tipping becomes two hours, not one.

3. Walkers are still picking your load when you get there, or some bloke is stuck on the loading bay for half an hour for a legally required break.

All of these then mean that the driver can’t make it back and is stuck on a night out, probably, because he is just a day driver, with no gear.

The current system should work well, providing TMs plan right. If a driver has 15 hours of working available in a day, plan for 13. If he has 13, plan for 11. That gives a safety margin so that the night shift don’t get shafted when the day driver is stuck on a night out. If a day driver is going to be an hour late back, the night shift can juggle vehicles to cover all the runs that need doing. If he isn’t going to make it back, the night shift are short a vehicle. The company either needs to keep a vehicle sitting idle, just in case one doesn’t make it back. (good luck finding a firm that will do that!) Or fails its contracted deliveries and is liable to loose a lucrative contract.

In a world where everything works as it should, you are OK saying that drivers should work no more than 12 hours a day and TMs should plan just the right amount of work to be done in that time. In the world we live in, you can guarantee that some monkey is going to be ■■■■■■ up and kill himself on the M6. Another monkey is going to be hung over and phone in sick to either the delivery point or the collection, and Another monkey is going to have not reported that defect, and you will spend three hours waiting for DAF AID to turn up to fix your motor.

[ross_v_stobart]

Its about being legal and feeling fit to drive.
Its not about money and you kids private schools.
Truck driving is a responsible job,
Well than act responsible.

No more bottles of ■■■■ out of the,window.
No more 2ft behind the vehicle in,front
No more ■■■■■■■■ in layby.
No more aggressive language.

You’ve got one life.
Live it.

If you don’t know the law,then find out.

If you want to break the law, then go robbing.

All this waffle about my kids,my whatever.
its sad to day but like a manager told me,truck drivers are Muppet

[farnboroughboy11]

Ross v stobart:
You make no sense.
See you,
Best wishes.
Lol

You said you get up 2 hours before you start work, yet you complain that you arnt getting enough sleep. You’re the one that doesn’t makes sense.
Best wishes
Yours sincerely
Remember look left, right and left again when crossing the road.

[ross_v_stobart]

No no ,
Look its $ay half hour to get up and ready,
Half hour drive to work.
15 hours at work
2 hours being human and eating, washing, socialising with family
And 6 sleep.
Then back and do it all again.

Low pay
Long hours
Loads of tax
Little pay.
The government just as much to blame for this debacle.
Was it a plane,was it a bird,was it a jet.
No,
Its a hgv wheel flying through the air.

Check your nuts,

[nsmith1180]

Mr V Stobart, you are in the wrong line of work.

[fatboy_slimslow]

Ross v stobart:
its sad to day but like a manager told me,truck drivers are Muppet

if you don’t like to be a muppet, send your licence back to DVLA! the jobs a piece of P1s$ FFS! the rates are ■■■■■ because of the likes of yourself! THERE’S DRIVERS, then there’s SCREWDRIVERS!

[driveroneuk]

Ross v stobart:
Low pay
Long hours
Loads of tax
Little pay.

That’s ambiguous.

If your pay is low then so too will be your tax contributions.

Need to be earning over £42,475 to get into the 40% tax bracket.