Dartford tunnel , ADR and foreign lorry/driver!

switchlogic:

Wheel Nut:

MrReliable:
This happens across the water when you sit waiting in the lanes to get on a ferry to the Uk. I have lost count of the times I have seen drivers get out and apply the ADR diamonds to the sides of their euroliner :open_mouth:

That is because some products are only dangerous by sea and not road, or vice versa.

Exactly. The orange board is all that’s needed for the majority of ADR loads by road. You don’t need the diamonds till you get on a ferry. I take them off again when I come back down to lorry

When we used to do ferry trailers with haz,loads, we’d run on the road with orange plates and put the placards on when dropping the trailers on the docks.

But as for running anywhere without declaring dangerous goods, do you really want to be stuck in a tunnel or ferry near a truck leaking some chemical that nobody knows what it is or the effect it might have on those in the vicinity?
Might sound dramatic, but it wasn’t it incidents like that, lead to the these regulations?

muckles:
Might sound dramatic, but it wasn’t it incidents like that, lead to the these regulations?

I believe this incident contributed to the production of the current regulations.

But if there had been orange plates front and back and a Transport Document in the cab it wouldn’t have happened


kvin:
But if there had been orange plates front and back and a Transport Document in the cab it wouldn’t have happened


Lot more to ADR regs than putting orange plates up, it controls the movement of hazardous loads, although you don’t see it much in the UK, in other countries you see hazardous loads banned through certain areas and I believe in certain weather conditions.
I believe most tunnels in Europe now have a standardised tunnel code which controls what ADR loads can be taken through it. And then there is a way of finding out what the load is, in a standard format that can be understood in most countries.

Héraultais:

muckles:
Might sound dramatic, but it wasn’t it incidents like that, lead to the these regulations?

I believe this incident contributed to the production of the current regulations.

Los Alfaques disaster - Wikipedia

Bloody hell!

Lankytim:

Héraultais:
I believe this incident contributed to the production of the current regulations.

Los Alfaques disaster - Wikipedia

Bloody hell!

It was made into a film.

A short trailer.

The law will be coming in shortly though were you will be required to show limited quantites stickers to the front and back of the vehicle if the limited quantites amount is more than 8 tonne. This is a black and white diamond. If going for airfreight then a Y letter is on the placard too. This came into effect in 2011 but becomes mandatory from June 2015. If you get a pull with aerosols that come under this LQ rule then you can expect a large fine if vehicle is not signed up correctly. You do not need to have an ADR license to transport limited quantities of dangerous goods, yet you still need to display LQ placards front and rear if the LQ’s are over 8 tonne.

As soon as you board a boat the trailer or vehicle comes under shipping regs (IMDG) which specifies that class placards need to be displayed on all 4 sides of the vehicle or trailer. It used to be that any amount of dangerous goods would need to be marked up with class placards but now there is this limited quantities process.

like people have said, only tankers and certain other transport modes need to display the placards by road. Orange plates is plenty enough for ADR jouneys. ADR is only the dangerous goods rule for transporting by road. IMDG is by sea and IATA is the air regs.

toothpick johnny:
Good job we don’t have the right to bear arms in the uk. Maybe be you would like to shoot him. Guess you never driven on the wrong side of the road.

Just what I thought :unamused: , most of the anti foreign crew on here usually only drive daily in a 100 mile radius with the aid of a sat nav, but they think they are a superior driver to the “johnny :unamused: foreigener” that has driven through God knows how many countries to get here :laughing:
I agree with the Maritime adr sticker point, I used to pick up driver air bags that were deemed hazourdous on ship but not on road, so the stickers were added before boarding and removed in the UK.

And what is all this drivers shopping other drivers ■■■■■■■■ by all these self appointed traffic marshalls ffs :unamused: ,
 just keep your neb out and look after your own job.

Basf /flint group at Slindfold all gone now .Whole place has been redeveloped into inds unts .

robroy:

toothpick johnny:
Good job we don’t have the right to bear arms in the uk. Maybe be you would like to shoot him. Guess you never driven on the wrong side of the road.

Just what I thought :unamused: , most of the anti foreign crew on here usually only drive daily in a 100 mile radius with the aid of a sat nav, but they think they are a superior driver to the “johnny :unamused: foreigener” that has driven through God knows how many countries to get here :laughing:
I agree with the Maritime adr sticker point, I used to pick up driver air bags that were deemed hazourdous on ship but not on road, so the stickers were added before boarding and removed in the UK.

And what is all this drivers shopping other drivers ■■■■■■■■ by all these self appointed traffic marshalls ffs :unamused: ,
 just keep your neb out and look after your own job.

Good post. Its true, British lorry drivers do seem to have a high opinion of themselves. Often unwarranted

Kerbdog:
The law will be coming in shortly though were you will be required to show limited quantites stickers to the front and back of the vehicle if the limited quantites amount is more than 8 tonne. This is a black and white diamond.

Hi Kerbdog,

That came in on 01/01/2011 and only applies to vehicles of more than 12t mass, so for example it doesn’t apply to vans and 7.5t vehicles.

For avoidance of doubt, the “black and white diamond” is a placard (250mm X 250mm) and looks like this:

LQ 2011.jpg
I’ve seen foldable versions of this, and they’re perfectly legal.

Kerbdog:
If going for airfreight then a Y letter is on the placard too. This came into effect in 2011 but becomes mandatory from June 2015.

That’s true, but the goods would need to be packaged as per IATA’s rules on LQs, which differ somewhat from ADR.
The placard containing the letter “Y” is used by road because the stuff is packaged other than in accordance with ADR. :wink:
This allows those goods to be carried by road to airports etc for onward transmission by air

LQ 2011 IATA.jpg

Kerbdog:
If you get a pull with aerosols that come under this LQ rule then you can expect a large fine if vehicle is not signed up correctly.

The VOSA sanctions document seems to say it a bit differently.

Kerbdog:
You do not need to have an ADR license to transport limited quantities of dangerous goods, yet you still need to display LQ placards front and rear if the LQ’s are over 8 tonne.


 and the vehicles is more than 12t mass.
As an alternative to the LQ placards, it’s also perfectly legal to display the two orange plates.
(No ADR licence needed.)

Kerbdog:
As soon as you board a boat the trailer or vehicle comes under shipping regs (IMDG) which specifies that class placards need to be displayed on all 4 sides of the vehicle or trailer. It used to be that any amount of dangerous goods would need to be marked up with class placards but now there is this limited quantities process.

IMDG doesn’t require four placards to be displayed on vehicles.
The four placard rule only applies to (ISO) containers and unaccompanied trailers.

:bulb: The best way to remember IMDG marking rules is to first think about what it is that’s going to be placarded

If the thing to be placarded has a windscreen, then it doesn’t get placarded on the front.
If it doesn’t have a windscreen, then it needs placards on all four sides.

Kerbdog:
like people have said, only tankers and certain other transport modes need to display the placards by road. Orange plates is plenty enough for ADR jouneys. ADR is only the dangerous goods rule for transporting by road. IMDG is by sea and IATA is the air regs.

Correct.
By road, placards are required for the following vehicles:
Tankers (3 plus any secondaries)
Bulk (3 plus any secondaries)
Class 1 (3 plus any secondaries)
Class 7 (3 plus any secondaries)

There is common confusion about markings for vehicles carrying ISO containers, but this confusion can be avoided by remembering that a vehicle and an ISO container are two separate things.
Once the rules for each have been considered separately, then simply imagine placing the container on the vehicle to discover the totality of the requirements.

Container marking rule (= this only applies to ISO containers)
When carrying any amount of dangerous goods, ISO Containers need 4 placards (plus any secondaries.)

When carrying an ISO container, a vehicle still follows the normal ADR rules for whether the orange plates are needed.
It’s therefore perfectly possible (and legal) for any driver to carry a placarded ISO container and might not need orange plates or an ADR licence.