This is what Dartford crossing will look like when the barriers are gone.
I like the way they use the term free flowing.
The artists impressions show no traffic, but it’s still going to be a bottle neck.
love the green stuff, as if its gonna be green , more like grey
I wonder if it will be on the same basis as the congestion charge, where fleets are registered, so that individual drivers don’t have to cough up?
Didn’t know about this. So will it be like the congestion charge…IE 1 payment lasts all day, or pay for each crossing?
I got ripped off there yesterday. I only had a £20 note and the guy in the booth apologised & said he had no notes and then poured a load of £ coins into my outstretched hand. I just dropped them into a cup on my dash, but when I counted later on I found he’d only given me £13 instead of £15! My own fault for not holding up the traffic & counting, and I couldn’t help wondering how often this sort of scam happens on a daily basis?
Born Idle:
Didn’t know about this. So will it be like the congestion charge…IE 1 payment lasts all day, or pay for each crossing?
I got ripped off there yesterday. I only had a £20 note and the guy in the booth apologised & said he had no notes and then poured a load of £ coins into my outstretched hand. I just dropped them into a cup on my dash, but when I counted later on I found he’d only given me £13 instead of £15! My own fault for not holding up the traffic & counting, and I couldn’t help wondering how often this sort of scam happens on a daily basis?
Remember the blokes on the Mersey Tunnel years back? They had thousands between them working on the toll booths before they were caught, they turned it into automatic counting baskets after that.
But why in Gods name is it going to cost £367 million pounds to implement the ■■■■ charging system? I mean what are they getting for that kind of money■■? Doesn’t anyone query the cost of this? Surely someone could have quoted cheaper! It’s a just a few poxy ANPR cameras, the database (For UK vehicles) is already there.
And breathe… 
Just makes me mad.
What ignoramus signed off on this 
bazza123:
But why in Gods name is it going to cost £367 million pounds to implement the ■■■■ charging system? I mean what are they getting for that kind of money■■? Doesn’t anyone query the cost of this? Surely someone could have quoted cheaper! It’s a just a few poxy ANPR cameras, the database (For UK vehicles) is already there.And breathe…
Just makes me mad.
What ignoramus signed off on this
It ■■■■■■ me off more it’s gone to the French! Surely even for a few million quid more it would have been better to give it to a British company, with British employees.
Maybe the fee includes managing the system (chasing none payment etc) for a period of time.
Born Idle:
Didn’t know about this. So will it be like the congestion charge…IE 1 payment lasts all day, or pay for each crossing?
I got ripped off there yesterday. I only had a £20 note and the guy in the booth apologised & said he had no notes and then poured a load of £ coins into my outstretched hand. I just dropped them into a cup on my dash, but when I counted later on I found he’d only given me £13 instead of £15! My own fault for not holding up the traffic & counting, and I couldn’t help wondering how often this sort of scam happens on a daily basis?
Sounds like the boothies last job was on the dodgems at the fairground. 
Bout chuffing time.
How will they collect the charge from foreign reg vehicles?
I note the charge for cars will be going up by 25% 
I wonder if that will happen before or after the stupid ongoing roadworks south side M25 
As of the 1st April ( thats a joke on its own ) all foreign vehicles will have to pay a road user charge, surely they would be better implementing alongside it a charge for Dartford as well, most drivers know which route theyre gonna take, and as someone else mentioned, is it a charge everytime its used, i would think it is, even now you have to pay both ways, so a machine operated system wont change that, and i would imagine that the TAG system would still be available.
How they would catch foreign vehicles i dont know, unless its like other countries where database is kept, and anyone returning, will then have to pay + the fine.
Yes you will have to pay each time you use the crossing or tunnels like you do now and yes the dart tag system will still operate as it does now .So for firms with a dart tag accout or cars with dart tags they will work like they do now
i do love the way they keep saying it is being done to ease congestion,it is true the barriers do cause a lot of the congestion,but you will never ease congestion on the M25 there will allways be something that causes it,accidents,roadworks,incidents,the highways agency and police closing the motorway when a piece of paper lands on it [not really]but i would not put it past them,bit like the railways with leaves
So how many over height strikes will there be once the tolls go. Try taking a tall trailer through there and the booth operator has kittens. You must keep right, you must keep right.
How can we be expected to do our job without someone to hold our hand.
In an early example of a Private Finance Initiative (PFI), under the Dartford-Thurrock Crossing Act 1988 control of the crossing passed from Kent and Essex county councils to Dartford River Crossing Limited in 1988, who would fund the construction of the QEII bridge and take on the remaining debt from construction of the tunnels.
In 1991 The Queen Elizabeth II Bridge was opened. The PFI scheme allowed DRC Ltd a 20 year concession to collect revenue, although this could be ended early once debts were repaid. Under the scheme, some parties had expected that the government of the time would scrap the toll once the debt had been repaid and a suitable maintenance fund had been accumulated,[6] which was deemed to have occurred on 31 March 2002.
A fee was retained however under the new principle of Road User Charging, which had been introduced in the 2000 Transport Act to use congestion pricing to reduce traffic congestion during peak hours and to fund local and national transport schemes. Under this act, the A282 Trunk Road (Dartford-Thurrock Crossing charging scheme) Order 2002 allowed the continuation of the crossing fee, which officially became a charge and not a toll on 1 April 2003. At the same time, under the terms of the 1988 Act the DRC company was liquidated and management of the crossing was contracted to Le Crossing Company Limited on behalf of the Highways Agency. Under the new user charge regime, Le Crossing collects the charges which are set in statutory Charging Orders under the 2000 Act, with the revenue passing in full to the government for redistribution, and annual public accounts of the operation published showing expenses/revenues of the crossing.
Source Wikipedia, it should be free by now, it isn’t, why not?
turbot:
it should be free by now, it isn’t, why not?
Because we let them walk all over us, that’s why.
turbot:
it should be free by now, it isn’t, why not?
Because those ■■■■■■■ Blair and Brown and their ■■■ boys needed all the money they could get their mits on to bankroll their pie in the sky social spending, and to promote their world police statesmen egos, and to payroll immigration policies that they thought would engineer an increase in the labour vote.