Dangerous Goods Training Approved for Driver CPC
DSA are pleased to announce that elements of dangerous goods training for LGV drivers can be counted as part of their Driver CPC periodic training.
Driver CPC is a new qualification which will affect all LGV drivers from 9 September 2009. All drivers will be required to complete 35 hours of periodic training related to their profession within consecutive five year periods.
The following elements of ADR training will count towards their periodic training:
Up to a maximum of 21 hours of the basic course
7 hours of the core module refresher course
Please note: the specialist modules that are delivered outside of the basic course will not be accepted for periodic training, as it is considered the syllabi for these modules are too specialist and do not map readily across to the Driver CPC syllabus.
The specialist ADR modules that will NOT count towards the driver CPC are: The tanker module The explosives module (UN Class 1) The radioactives module (UN Class 7)
Training centres and courses will need to be approved in line with the regulations. Existing centre and course approval fees will be applied. IF you wish to use the ADR training hours to count towards your CPC, the ADR training provider must be approved for BOTH the Driver CPC & ADR. So it’s very much in your own interest to ASK before booking the course.
Giblsa:
how often is it your ADR needs renewing? is it 5 years by any chance?
Hi Lee, yes mate, that’s spot-on.
The good thing is that an ADR certificate may be ‘refreshed’ at any time in the fifth year of its validity (ie, after four years,) but with not less than one month validity remaining. Effectively, that gives an 11-month refresher window…
The driver CPC ‘5 years’ may well be a different 5-year span to an ADR certificate though. I reckon the best way to think of this is that, if you’ve got to do ADR, you automatically get credited with 21 hrs (3 x 7-hour chunks) towards your driver CPC, provided that the ADR provider is also registered as a driver CPC provider.
so in reality you are better off doing your adr and then a further 14 hours of the CPC. it wiill work out a lot cheaper as you will have 2 qualifications instead of the one at roughly the same price you would pay for your CPC anyway.
it would be good as the starter of your cpc to get you ADR as this vilid from when you pass and you can take the 21 hours then just take the 14 hours later
so by 2014 you have done your 35 and get the card till 2019
it would be good as the starter of your cpc to get you ADR as this vilid from when you pass and you can take the 21 hours then just take the 14 hours later
so by 2014 you have done your 35 and get the card till 2019
Del
The only downside to this may be that the ADR course price might have to increase to cover the costs of the DRIVER CPC side of things
it would be good as the starter of your cpc to get you ADR as this vilid from when you pass and you can take the 21 hours then just take the 14 hours later
so by 2014 you have done your 35 and get the card till 2019
Del
The only downside to this may be that the ADR course price might have to increase to cover the costs of the DRIVER CPC side of things
in theory it shouldnt as they are saying that you can use part of your ADR course to be counted as CPC hours. just because you can use it shouldnt put the price up, but i bet it does.
i have just had a look at it and to have the course approved it will cost £252 per 7 hours for the centre so i am sure there will pass on the new prices if there get it approved
delboytwo:
i have just had a look at it and to have the course approved it will cost £252 per 7 hours for the centre so i am sure there will pass on the new prices if there get it approved
Del
That was the thoughts of a few on this - the normal price of the ADR course PLUS the Driver CPC center & course fees etc.
The current price of the upload fee for all Driver CPC courses is £1.25 per hour per driver
Giblsa:
in theory it shouldnt as they are saying that you can use part of your ADR course to be counted as CPC hours. just because you can use it shouldnt put the price up, but i bet it does.
I’m afraid that a rise in costs to the student are almost inevitable.
If you go to the JAUPT/SfL site, you can see for yourself the costs to be incurred by the training provider for ‘approval.’ Then there’s the upload fee, and all the extra paperwork and admin of it all.
If only the authorities would concede that the ADR licences are issued through DVLA, Swansea, (BTW, guess where the driver CPC cards come from ) Why can’t the guys at Swansea spot an ADR certificate coming through THEIR system, and hit a few keystrokes to credit the driver’s CPC account ALSO in their system??
I can fully understand drivers being up in arms about this, but please don’t for one minute think that the ADR training providers are profiting from this. Fees will probably have to rise, but they’ll make not a penny more in profit.
As a self-employed sub-contract instructor, I’ll have to front-up my own approval fees although I’m already approved by SQA to teach ADR. It’s no different to a driver having to pay to keep his LGV licence. Maybe I’ll have to do 35hrs training as well, because most firms require me to hold at least the same qualification as I’m teaching, but many want at least one level higher.
Either way up, I reckon I’m as stuffed as the next driver, so would it be fair if I call this a stealth tax and say that we’re all on the same side??
I could even put forward the argument that I’m being hit with a double whammy.
I think I might be busking in the shopping arcade come September.
Rog wrote:-
The specialist ADR modules that will NOT count towards the driver CPC are:
The tanker module
The explosives module (UN Class 1)
The radioactives module (UN Class 7)
The article I read lead me to believe that none of the Class Modules would count towards DCPC, it was only the core module that could be counted. Of course I may have read/interpreted it wrong.
Rog wrote:-
The specialist ADR modules that will NOT count towards the driver CPC are:
The tanker module
The explosives module (UN Class 1)
The radioactives module (UN Class 7)
Hi Smart Mart, I wrote that part, but you weren’t to know.
Smart Mart:
The article I read lead me to believe that none of the Class Modules would count towards DCPC, it was only the core module that could be counted. Of course I may have read/interpreted it wrong.
That’s the trouble with this ‘driver CPC’ stuff; it’s all new and so few people are aware of it.
BTW, that includes a fair number of the people who are in charge of it.
Just to clarify:
There will be a new option for an ADR course soon. (This comes from SQA.)
The new idea is to have a slightly cut-down version whereby the (previous) core and packages modules are subsumed into one, then the ‘classes’ are to be covered as before. This new version is to be called an ADR ‘basic’ course. This is the one which will be worth 21 hours toward the drivers’ periodic CPC, if drivers take their ADR course after Sept 2009.
(Unfortunately, any courses taken before then won’t count. )
An ADR refresher course will be worth 7 hours towards the driver periodic CPC.
The UN classes 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, &9 are known as general chemical classes and will be the ‘classes’ element of a ‘basic’ ADR course.
The other modules that you’ve quoted above are all classed as ‘specialisms’ and won’t count towards the drivers’ periodic CPC.
Rog wrote:-
The specialist ADR modules that will NOT count towards the driver CPC are:
The tanker module
The explosives module (UN Class 1)
The radioactives module (UN Class 7)
Hi Smart Mart, I wrote that part, but you weren’t to know.
Smart Mart:
The article I read lead me to believe that none of the Class Modules would count towards DCPC, it was only the core module that could be counted. Of course I may have read/interpreted it wrong.
That’s the trouble with this ‘driver CPC’ stuff; it’s all new and so few people are aware of it.
BTW, that includes a fair number of the people who are in charge of it.
Just to clarify:
There will be a new option for an ADR course soon. (This comes from SQA.)
The new idea is to have a slightly cut-down version whereby the (previous) core and packages modules are subsumed into one, then the ‘classes’ are to be covered as before. This new version is to be called an ADR ‘basic’ course. This is the one which will be worth 21 hours toward the drivers’ periodic CPC, if drivers take their ADR course after Sept 2009.
(Unfortunately, any courses taken before then won’t count. )
An ADR refresher course will be worth 7 hours towards the driver periodic CPC.
The UN classes 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, &9 are known as general chemical classes and will be the ‘classes’ element of a ‘basic’ ADR course.
The other modules that you’ve quoted above are all classed as ‘specialisms’ and won’t count towards the drivers’ periodic CPC.
Sorry for taking so long to spot your question.
Just a question for you dieseldave
Will the new ADR be 3 days long instead of 5 days as it is now, also if there do
a basic course will the exams be condensed as well.cos the exams are £20 each and wondered if there my do that as well.
Will the new ADR be 3 days long instead of 5 days as it is now, also if there do
a basic course will the exams be condensed as well.cos the exams are £20 each and wondered if there my do that as well.
if you get what i mean
Del
dieseldave has explained to me, if I got this correct, that the current 3 and a half day bit has been squashed into 3 days and contains exactly what is does now (core and packages modules) but with less revision time allowed before the exam.
He will probably shoot me now, or worse…
I don’t know what is happening to the other 1 and a half days which I believe are, if I listen correctly to dieseldave, the specialist modules…
Will the new ADR be 3 days long instead of 5 days as it is now, also if there do
a basic course will the exams be condensed as well.cos the exams are £20 each and wondered if there my do that as well.
if you get what i mean
Del
Hi delboytwo, I think I understand your question…(sort of )
At present, the 1.5 day tanker module is optional (as it always has been) and it’s also set to continue to be optional. The reason for this is that not everybody wants/needs it. As part of the new revised ADR training structure, it is proposed that the tanker course will be shortened to one full day, including the exam. The tanker module is counted as a ‘specialism’ and therefore won’t count towards the periodic driver CPC, whether it stays the same as now, or gets shortened.
The present Core, Packages and seven UN Classes is 3.5 days including the exams by whichever of the two exam routes the provider chooses.
The new idea is to introduce essentially the same thing, but to shorten it by half a day and give it the new name of ‘ADR basic course.’
As far as I’m aware, these two ideas will run concurrently and the provider will choose which of the available course durations they’re offering.
Also as far as I’m aware, there has been talk of a condensed version of the exams, which might cost less overall, but I await the final details from SQA.
Please remember that the training hours credits towards driver periodic CPC will ONLY count 21 training hours against initial ADR courses OR 7 training hours against ADR refresher courses taken after the Sept 2009 cut-off date.
ROG: dieseldave has explained to me, if I got this correct, that the current 3 and a half day bit has been squashed into 3 days and contains exactly what is does now (core and packages modules) but with less revision time allowed before the exam.
Hi ROG, the first part is ok mate, but …err… ahem… you might need a rethink about quoting me as saying this:
“but with less revision time allowed before the exam,” because I don’t believe I ever said that.
ROG:
I don’t know what is happening to the other 1 and a half days which I believe are, if I listen correctly to dieseldave, the specialist modules…
It’s no wonder you don’t know, because I don’t believe I ever said that either.
ROG:
He will probably shoot me now, or worse…
Just lie on the couch, this won’t hurt (much ) Nope, I’ll just wait for Mrs ROG to confiscate your power cord instead.
Or can I tempt you with a deal in which I’ll undertake not to show my expertise in IAM driving, if you’ll…
ROG:
The only downside to this may be that the ADR course price might have to increase to cover the costs of the DRIVER CPC side of things
Maybe another downside may be the worth of an ADR qualification goes down while the price rises.
If everyone who needs a CPC takes the 5 yearly ADR to gain 21 hours towards the periodic training, then the actual worth of an ADR may be driven down. After all we all know the phrase, “ten a penny”
) Why can’t the guys at Swansea spot an ADR certificate coming through THEIR system, and hit a few keystrokes to credit the driver’s CPC account ALSO in their system??
Indeed it is gumbo666, because any alterations or price rises they’re considering CAN’T affect the ADR licence you already hold.
Nope, I’ll just wait for Mrs ROG to confiscate your power cord instead. 