Have any of you ADR guys ever carried lithium batteries? If so have you ever had any problems with them combusting, catching fire, creating smoke and such?
Edit: of course not just ADR guys as they may not be listed as dangerous goods by road (I’ve not studied for ADR)
As long as they are packed correctly you should have no problems. Waste dangerous goods for processing have to be carried under a waste licence and again as long as packed correctly and paperwork is in order you should have no problem. If unsure about carrying any dangerous goods in limited quantities then you can query the shipment. Remember its your drivers licence and not your bosses!
Have carried them as in a load of shavers ect and didn’t come under ADR but have to be declared as part of the load for ferries. you should be given a piece of paper declaring it makes up part of the load by the sender if in this type of load. but prob different if it in waste
Have any of you ADR guys ever carried lithium batteries? If so have you ever had any problems with them combusting, catching fire, creating smoke and such?
Edit: of course not just ADR guys as they may not be listed as dangerous goods by road (I’ve not studied for ADR)
Cheers.
Given that the Boeing 787 batteries catch fire regularly
Freight Dog:
Edit: of course not just ADR guys as they may not be listed as dangerous goods by road (I’ve not studied for ADR)
Hi Freight Dog,
Lithium batteries do count as dangerous goods.
There are many Special Provisions (SPs) contained in ADR that apply to the carriage of lithium batteries by road.
Some of the SPs exempt certain types of lithium batteries from the requirements of ADR, meaning that a driver won’t always need an ADR licence to carry them by road.
tobefunny2004:
As long as they are packed correctly you should have no problems.
Hi tobefunny2004,
Correct so far.
tobefunny2004:
Waste dangerous goods for processing have to be carried under a waste licence and again as long as packed correctly and paperwork is in order you should have no problem.
Correct again.
tobefunny2004:
If unsure about carrying any dangerous goods in limited quantities then you can query the shipment.
Sorry mate, you’re a little off-beam here… lithium batteries cannot be carried under the Limited Quantity exemption.
tobefunny2004:
Remember its your drivers licence and not your bosses!
The classifying and packing of dangerous goods is NOT a driver’s responsibility.
That responsibility is ONLY the consignors (= sender.)
In ADR, even the vehicle owner (the carrier) is entitled to rely on and query information provided by the consignor, so if there are problems with incorrect descriptions on paperwork etc, those problems will land exactly where they belong.
Your boss might have you believe what you said above, but fortunately for drivers, the law says differently.
That’s interesting. I’ve carried a pallet of them by air and they make you a little nervous as they have been responsible for a couple of accidents. Funnily enough they’re not listed as dangerous goods on the NOTOC we get given, like a TREM card (is that what they’re called?). They then get transported by road. I had a model car that had a lithium battery in it and that started to smoke on charge. It was on charge though. They’re volatile little so and so’s. They keep getting hotter and hotter (unlike myself according to the Mrs)
Speaking of ADR. I need to do my dcpc. I understand that you can use an ADR qualification towards the 35 hours. Is that capped at a max of 21 Hours you can use towards the cpc?
Freight Dog:
Speaking of ADR. I need to do my dcpc. I understand that you can use an ADR qualification towards the 35 hours. Is that capped at a max of 21 Hours you can use towards the cpc?
I think when I did my ADR it counted towards 21 hours but it has to be a CPC accredited course…
Freight Dog:
Speaking of ADR. I need to do my dcpc. I understand that you can use an ADR qualification towards the 35 hours. Is that capped at a max of 21 Hours you can use towards the cpc?
Yes, I believe so but as has been said, your provider must be accredited.
Yep, an Initial ADR course can count upto 21 hours towards DCPC - if the ADR training provider has been JAUPT approved-you must check 1st. Proper ‘two birds with one stone’ scenario…saves money plus time in classroom!!!
Freight Dog:
Funnily enough they’re not listed as dangerous goods on the NOTOC we get given, like a TREM card (is that what they’re called?). They then get transported by road.
Hi Freight Dog,
Lithium batteries count as dangerous goods because they have been given a UN number.
ADR says that some lithium batteries are exempted from ADR, whilst others are not.
The way in which the IATA (Dangerous Goods by Air) Regs treat lithium batteries may well be quite different (= far more stringently) to how ADR treats them by road.
Tremcards still exist, but they were dropped as a requirement by ADR on 01/01/2009.
Freight Dog:
Speaking of ADR. I need to do my dcpc. I understand that you can use an ADR qualification towards the 35 hours. Is that capped at a max of 21 Hours you can use towards the cpc?
Yes, this is true.
Four other TN members all got 21 DCPC hours only last week for attending an ADR course.
Daz1970, Lusk and DAF95XF have all said the same as I would have said, so that’s saved me from some typing.
Cheers for the replies. Thanks Diesel Dave, of course you’re quite right as you say of course it is still DG and carries a UN. I was incorrectly thinking back to excepted quantities but it’s still dg. Last time carried lithium it was part of a large amount of other stuff like like flammable gases listed on our notoc the loadmaster gives us.
That’s good about the course ticking the box. I’d rather get an extra qualification out of the CPC training.
Freight Dog:
Cheers for the replies. Thanks Diesel Dave, of course you’re quite right as you say of course it is still DG and carries a UN. I was incorrectly thinking back to excepted quantities but it’s still dg. Last time carried lithium it was part of a large amount of other stuff like like flammable gases listed on our notoc the loadmaster gives us.
That’s good about the course ticking the box. I’d rather get an extra qualification out of the CPC training.
Hi Freight Dog,
Excepted Quantities (EQs) aren’t the same thing as Limited Quantities (LQs,) and neither of those are the same as using the small load exemption. They are three different exemptions and so they are used for three different purposes.
scottie0011:
Come to Aberdeen to do your adr, most of the providers up here have their initial 7 day courses approved for the full 35 dcpc hours
Hi scottie0011,
I’ve no idea how they’ve done that, but the current JAUPT/DSA interpretation of the rules says otherwise.
The rule is that any tanker course, UN Class 1 course or UN Class 7 course cannot get DCPC hours if it leads the issuing of an ADR certificate, because they should only be ‘awareness’ courses if registered for DCPC.
as scottie says i have just done the full adr course up here in aberdeen two months ago,iam now sitting with a full adr and a dcpc with thirty five hours on it .