robroy:
Ok you win…I’ve read it and edited my last post.
See what you think. (I can do ‘serious’ on this stuff when I want to )
If you remember that I am NOT any form of expert, and if I point somewhere it is hopefully to someone who is, then yeah, let`s talk.
robroy:
Serious for a minute, it’s good to see and hear a more balanced view amongst all the usual scaremongering.
He gives a more balanced view of the virus and of the vaccine, bith of which he acknowledges as genuine in his view.
He mentions antibodies and building up a resistance,.as in every other virus and disease under the sun.
He mentions one example of an NHS group, 40% of a ward of midwives who refuse to have the jab so therefore that particular ward will close, …and that is only one that he knows personally, so how many more examples are there.
He also mentions the element of intimidation to those who speak out against the official line.and rhetoric.
This is going to go right against the govt policy of ‘forcing’ people into it , if and when it comes, …and incidentally how will they do that…hold people down?
Good on him for redressing the balance of neurotic hysteria (amongst most people who can not think for themselves and need to be led by the nose ) , with a bit of calm common sense being put into the mix.
I’m sure the government love him.
First “scaremongering”?
Your word, and yes, there is scaremongering going on…vaccines killing hundreds of people, or causing infertility etc being two good examples.
Is reporting the many thousands who have died of Covid “scaremongering”? Seems to me that the actual figures are horrific, but not reporting them would be a cover-up and unsupportable.
Thinking all bad news is somehow an exaggeration would be wrong.
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RR: “He mentions antibodies and building up a resistance,.as in every other virus and disease under the sun”
Hold on…He mentions that he has antibodies, yes. He was working on Covid cases before vaccines were available, and probably contracted Covid, hence has antibodies. OK.
“Building up a resistance”? Not mentioned by him at all in either the YouTube or R4 pieces.
Anti-bodies come (repeating Im not a medic) from either vaccines or from infection. They are either there *in an individual* or they aint. It isn`t gradually built up.
A population may have a herd immunity “build up gradually”, as members either are infected and (hopefully) recover, or are vaccinated, but not an individual.
He has been checked for anti-bodies, not available to most of us, and so, as well as being young and fit can evaluate his own risk. Most of the population is not in that position. What is right for him doesn`t extend into the whole population.
Also Dr James facts were a bit suspect when he said summat about infectivity after 8 weeks:
below from bbc.com/news/59929638
“The vaccines are reducing transmission only for about eight weeks with Delta,” he said.
“For Omicron, it’s probably less.”
But that’s not exactly what the evidence shows.
What does the science say?
While vaccines remain very good at protecting against becoming severely ill with Covid, the protection they give against catching it and passing it on does wane more quickly.
Dr James was referring to a study that found a vaccinated person with Covid was just 2% less likely than an unvaccinated person to pass it on, 12 weeks after a second Oxford-AstraZeneca jab - he acknowledges his reference to “eight weeks” was an error.
But the same study found the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, which NHS staff are likely to have had, endured better. Vaccinated people had a 25% lower risk of infecting others than unvaccinated people after 12 weeks.
And this research alone doesn’t tell the whole story - the vaccines also reduce people’s risk to others by stopping them catching the virus in the first place.
One paper found those vaccinated with Pfizer 85% less likely than the unvaccinated to be infected with Covid after two weeks and 75% less likely after 12 weeks.
Vaccinated people also seem to clear the virus faster and have less of it in their system - reducing their chances of passing it on.
These studies all looked at the Delta variant, first identified in India.
Two vaccine doses appear to be less effective against catching and passing on Omicron infections - although, they are still good at preventing severe illness - but much of the benefit is restored with a third booster jab.
The second part of Dr James’s argument was that he had probably had Covid, providing him with some protection without a vaccine.
“I’ve got antibodies,” he said.
“I’ve been working on the Covid [intensive-care unit] since the beginning.”
So-called natural immunity - having immune cells such as antibodies and T-cells in your system that recognise and fight off the virus from an infection rather than a vaccine - can offer effective protection, although it comes with the risk of becoming very ill or developing “long Covid”.
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But what the doctor didn’t mention is that, as with his point about vaccines, this protection also wanes and may be ineffective against infection with a different variant.
An Imperial College London study suggests the protection from having had Covid against infection by the Omicron variant, first identified in South Africa, “may be as low as 19%”.
But another NHS hospital doctor, Dr Meenal Viz, who spends her spare time online correcting misinformation, told BBC News she feared the clip of Dr James would be seized on by those who wanted to suggest the science for the vaccine in general was not strong enough - despite the huge weight of evidence from hundreds of independent institutions and millions of people that it prevented disease and death.
This fits into a pattern she regularly sees online, where short clips, single statistics or lines from a scientific study taken out of context can “completely blow up” and cause more confusion than straightforward falsehoods.
“On the internet, when things go viral, people tend to cherry-pick what they want,” Dr Viz said, potentially leaving people with the impression an intensive care doctor was doubting the science of the vaccine, rather than the much narrower and more complicated point Dr James says he was making.
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) , with a bit of calm common sense being put into the mix.
…what was it you called me ?..the cavalier nonchalant tough bouncer or something.■■ 