^^^ you and I are literally poles apart on many things Franglais, but I do grant that you are humerous on many occasions 
the maoster:
^^^ you and I are literally poles apart on many things Franglais, but I do grant that you are humerous on many occasions
Better than being called a joke!
Thanks
Franglais:
jakethesnake:
Keep up your good work. Some of us appreciate it."Read this post soon befor its editted and clothes down!
We nead heroes like you to speke out.
SEnd me money so.i.can get the truth out their!
Brilliant. 
Mazzer2:
jakethesnake:
Nah, you donāt. Itās ā ā ā ā ā ā ā ā .Are you saying the Today programme ran an article that is complete ā ā ā ā ā ā ā ā how BBC is that? Somehow I think your bias is clouding your judgement highly unlikely that an article on one of the BBCās prime news programmes is going to spend 10 minutes talking complete ā ā ā ā ā ā ā ā .
Theyāve done it for 2 years solid and counting.
aaargh quick get the next round of boosters ready, along comes something else just in time 
theguardian.com/world/2022/ ā¦ dApp_Other
Finally scientists admit they got somethings wrong.
The first one mentioned will be a surprise to some.
^^^ theyād have been brilliant circus clowns with that ability to pedal backwards and keep a straight face.
Juddian:
:lol:
āHats off to the Oxford teamāā so much that weāve stopped general use of the emergency licenced AZ viral vector trials.Some say because of blood clot issues some say not effective enough.The NHS says both.
Now you only generally have the option of the experimental mRNA emergency licenced trials.
Iām not bothered going by the NHS mission statement what doesnāt kill us makes us stronger and being able to travel is more important to me now than giving a zb.
CF, youāre not going to carry on taking their bloody concoction are you, now that the convid narrative is fully off the tracks.
Iāve never been more convinced that refusing the filth not taking part in mask virtue signalling/compliance nor seal clapping plus ignoring all lockdown rubbish etc were the right choices.
Juddian:
CF, youāre not going to carry on taking their bloody concoction are you, now that the convid narrative is fully off the tracks.
Iāve never been more convinced that refusing the filth not taking part in mask virtue signalling/compliance nor seal clapping plus ignoring all lockdown rubbish etc were the right choices.
Iām just taking a pragmatic fatalistic view of it all Juddian.
Iām more convinced than before that it
was a deliberate release of an artificial pathogen to soften up the free world and events seem to be confirming it.
So obviously an equally unprecedented anti dote being employed to meet that.
Not sure if thereās anything to lose by taking it or anything to gain by avoiding it.
But do know that freedom to travel at least is seriously curtailed by avoiding it and thatās my main priority now.
As opposed to being classed as an unvaxed leper.
Also donāt think thereās any reason to think that the āvaccineā canāt be transmitted from vaccinated to unvaxed anyway.
In a similar way that unvaxed can catch Polio from the ādisabledā virus transmitted by a vaxed pperson.While āifā thereās some other dodgy agenda theyāll obviously find a reason why we canāt travel even with 3 or more jabs in which case itās all moot at that point anyway
Oh dear. 
Carryfast:
Juddian:
CF, youāre not going to carry on taking their bloody concoction are you, now that the convid narrative is fully off the tracks.
Iāve never been more convinced that refusing the filth not taking part in mask virtue signalling/compliance nor seal clapping plus ignoring all lockdown rubbish etc were the right choices.Iām just taking a pragmatic fatalistic view of it all Juddian.
Iām more convinced than before that it
was a deliberate release of an artificial pathogen to soften up the free world and events seem to be confirming it.
So obviously an equally unprecedented anti dote being employed to meet that.
Not sure if thereās anything to lose by taking it or anything to gain by avoiding it.
But do know that freedom to travel at least is seriously curtailed by avoiding it and thatās my main priority now.
As opposed to being classed as an unvaxed leper.
Also donāt think thereās any reason to think that the āvaccineā canāt be transmitted from vaccinated to unvaxed anyway.
In a similar way that unvaxed can catch Polio from the ādisabledā virus transmitted by a vaxed pperson.While āifā thereās some other dodgy agenda theyāll obviously find a reason why we canāt travel even with 3 or more jabs in which case itās all moot at that point anyway
CF, seriously, how did they get to you, or whatās changed in you.
You went from someone who wouldnāt touch this designed in 5 minutes untested miracle set of drugs to accepting it as fate.
So accepting multiple direct injections of God knows what** is no different to being in the same room as those who have taken the muck and apparently now exert some sort of biological aura infecting anyone around them with the spike protiens or whatever this stuff is supposed to produce.
Honestly mate if you could wind the clock back 2 years you wouldnāt and didnāt think like this, you had an even healthier distrust of the sods than i.
** Anyone seen the list of ingredients of this vaccine theyāve accepted unquestioningly, anyone been given and kept a copy of the list of possible side effects? if you were given a course of anti biotics then in the pack would be most or all of the above and a list of dos and donāts whilst taking the course and for a certain time after, how come this miracle cure didnāt come with any such information or warnings.
The only thing we do know is that the pharmas were given immunity from responsibilty for the results of this experiment, personally that told me all i needed to know.
Is being able to travel, or the promise of it if you keep complying, really worth compromising all of your previous beliefs.
You among all here should know that whilst you continue to comply you will find yourself complying for the rest of your time.
I dearly want the old CF back.
Juddian:
Carryfast:
Juddian:
CF, youāre not going to carry on taking their bloody concoction are you, now that the convid narrative is fully off the tracks.
Iāve never been more convinced that refusing the filth not taking part in mask virtue signalling/compliance nor seal clapping plus ignoring all lockdown rubbish etc were the right choices.Iām just taking a pragmatic fatalistic view of it all Juddian.
Iām more convinced than before that it
was a deliberate release of an artificial pathogen to soften up the free world and events seem to be confirming it.
So obviously an equally unprecedented anti dote being employed to meet that.
Not sure if thereās anything to lose by taking it or anything to gain by avoiding it.
But do know that freedom to travel at least is seriously curtailed by avoiding it and thatās my main priority now.
As opposed to being classed as an unvaxed leper.
Also donāt think thereās any reason to think that the āvaccineā canāt be transmitted from vaccinated to unvaxed anyway.
In a similar way that unvaxed can catch Polio from the ādisabledā virus transmitted by a vaxed pperson.While āifā thereās some other dodgy agenda theyāll obviously find a reason why we canāt travel even with 3 or more jabs in which case itās all moot at that point anywayCF, seriously, how did they get to you, or whatās changed in you.
You went from someone who wouldnāt touch this designed in 5 minutes untested miracle set of drugs to accepting it as fate.
So accepting multiple direct injections of God knows what** is no different to being in the same room as those who have taken the muck and apparently now exert some sort of biological aura infecting anyone around them with the spike protiens or whatever this stuff is supposed to produce.
Honestly mate if you could wind the clock back 2 years you wouldnāt and didnāt think like this, you had an even healthier distrust of the sods than i.** Anyone seen the list of ingredients of this vaccine theyāve accepted unquestioningly, anyone been given and kept a copy of the list of possible side effects? if you were given a course of anti biotics then in the pack would be most or all of the above and a list of dos and donāts whilst taking the course and for a certain time after, how come this miracle cure didnāt come with any such information or warnings.
The only thing we do know is that the pharmas were given immunity from responsibilty for the results of this experiment, personally that told me all i needed to know.
IS BEING ABLE TO TRAVELor the promise of it if you keep complying,
really worth compromising all of your previous beliefs.
You among all here should know that whilst you continue to comply you will find yourself complying for the rest of your time.
I dearly want the old CF back.
I know you have strong views on all this stuff Juddian that you are fully entitled to.
You stick to your principles, and thatās fine and commendable.
I too have my suspicions on some of this stuff, but they are nowhere near as deep seated as yours.
At the end of the day no matter how strong or even militant your views are on anything, you can NEVER beat the āestablishmentā in this country ā¦itās a fact of life, ā¦and this comes from me, a guy who has never readily conformed to anything without suspicion and trepidation , but by the same token Iām a realist.
Way I see it is if you refuse to play their games thatās fine, but they will always have the upper hand in what they permit you to doā¦because they can.! 
I canāt speak for Carryfast, but I m guessing foreign travel is a big thing in his life.
Same deal with me, so when I retire there is no way I am going to approach it like my parents did, ieā¦just switch off, do jack all, never leave the house virtually, and wallow in old age just waiting until they āāget a callingāā from the God they both believe in.
I know you have made no secret of the fact you donāt go out much,.and never go abroad etc,.and if that suits you and your Mrs,.that is absolutely fine, nothing wrong with that, ar all,.everyone is different,.and I get it.
ā¦but me?..
Iām planning to spend my retirement being some kind of aging social animal ,.me and my lovely wife doing lots of air travel, mixing with friends and family, football matches and bars with mates ,.and maybe doing Europe in a campervan again with the wife, who has relatives over thereā¦all of which will be a big āno noā if you do not meet the vaccination criteria, grossly unfair and unjust,.but those reasons have never stopped them āākeeping us in our placeāā for generations, no matter how much fight we put up.
Now the forum gob ā ā ā ā ā who aināt been on for a while used to take great pleasure in telling /gloating, that the vaccinated will only have 3 to 5 years to live, if that is trueā¦tough ā ā ā ā , Iām committed now, cāest la vie Rodders,ā¦ but Iād rather burn out than rust, and Iād rather have 5 years of full life than 10 to 15 years of 'ājust existingā and living my time out,.and I reckon Carryfast has a similar attitude.
As I said mate everyone is different with different views, all if which is fine if and when it suits THEM.
,
Juddian:
Carryfast:
Juddian:
CF, youāre not going to carry on taking their bloody concoction are you, now that the convid narrative is fully off the tracks.
Iāve never been more convinced that refusing the filth not taking part in mask virtue signalling/compliance nor seal clapping plus ignoring all lockdown rubbish etc were the right choices.Iām just taking a pragmatic fatalistic view of it all Juddian.
Iām more convinced than before that it
was a deliberate release of an artificial pathogen to soften up the free world and events seem to be confirming it.
So obviously an equally unprecedented anti dote being employed to meet that.
Not sure if thereās anything to lose by taking it or anything to gain by avoiding it.
But do know that freedom to travel at least is seriously curtailed by avoiding it and thatās my main priority now.
As opposed to being classed as an unvaxed leper.
Also donāt think thereās any reason to think that the āvaccineā canāt be transmitted from vaccinated to unvaxed anyway.
In a similar way that unvaxed can catch Polio from the ādisabledā virus transmitted by a vaxed pperson.While āifā thereās some other dodgy agenda theyāll obviously find a reason why we canāt travel even with 3 or more jabs in which case itās all moot at that point anywayCF, seriously, how did they get to you, or whatās changed in you.
You went from someone who wouldnāt touch this designed in 5 minutes untested miracle set of drugs to accepting it as fate.
So accepting multiple direct injections of God knows what** is no different to being in the same room as those who have taken the muck and apparently now exert some sort of biological aura infecting anyone around them with the spike protiens or whatever this stuff is supposed to produce.
Honestly mate if you could wind the clock back 2 years you wouldnāt and didnāt think like this, you had an even healthier distrust of the sods than i.** Anyone seen the list of ingredients of this vaccine theyāve accepted unquestioningly, anyone been given and kept a copy of the list of possible side effects? if you were given a course of anti biotics then in the pack would be most or all of the above and a list of dos and donāts whilst taking the course and for a certain time after, how come this miracle cure didnāt come with any such information or warnings.
The only thing we do know is that the pharmas were given immunity from responsibilty for the results of this experiment, personally that told me all i needed to know.
Is being able to travel, or the promise of it if you keep complying, really worth compromising all of your previous beliefs.
You among all here should know that whilst you continue to comply you will find yourself complying for the rest of your time.
I dearly want the old CF back.
Obviously if itās an emergency licenced experimental anti dote to an artificial pathogen release ( which I believe ) all bets are off as to its contents and side effects.
As for āconpromiseā yes I view the freedom to travel as a priority but that also doesnāt stop me from raising the type of questions that Franglaisā etc just canāt/wonāt answer.
While as Iāve said if itās some other even worse nefarious agenda itās all moot anyway because resistance to that is futile.
Including the possibility that ātheyā might be about to stage a false flag unwinnable conventional āwarā with Russia and China after allowing in the Wuhan softener.
Which will see PLA troops goose stepping up the mall and a Communist government installed in Westminster.
In which case would prefer the easy way out hopefully provided by the dodgy jabs.
In just the same way that my idea of protect and survive was to be out in the open as close to ground zero as possible.
IE there are situations in which resistance is pointless and counterproductive and donāt see much to gain by resisting the jabs.
It all might be clearer by the time I try to make use of that āfreedom to travelā in June, provided by the dodgy AZ viral vector and soon the PZ mRNA booster cocktail.
robroy:
Juddian:
Carryfast:
Juddian:
CF, youāre not going to carry on taking their bloody concoction are you, now that the convid narrative is fully off the tracks.
Iāve never been more convinced that refusing the filth not taking part in mask virtue signalling/compliance nor seal clapping plus ignoring all lockdown rubbish etc were the right choices.Iām just taking a pragmatic fatalistic view of it all Juddian.
Iām more convinced than before that it
was a deliberate release of an artificial pathogen to soften up the free world and events seem to be confirming it.
So obviously an equally unprecedented anti dote being employed to meet that.
Not sure if thereās anything to lose by taking it or anything to gain by avoiding it.
But do know that freedom to travel at least is seriously curtailed by avoiding it and thatās my main priority now.
As opposed to being classed as an unvaxed leper.
Also donāt think thereās any reason to think that the āvaccineā canāt be transmitted from vaccinated to unvaxed anyway.
In a similar way that unvaxed can catch Polio from the ādisabledā virus transmitted by a vaxed pperson.While āifā thereās some other dodgy agenda theyāll obviously find a reason why we canāt travel even with 3 or more jabs in which case itās all moot at that point anywayCF, seriously, how did they get to you, or whatās changed in you.
You went from someone who wouldnāt touch this designed in 5 minutes untested miracle set of drugs to accepting it as fate.
So accepting multiple direct injections of God knows what** is no different to being in the same room as those who have taken the muck and apparently now exert some sort of biological aura infecting anyone around them with the spike protiens or whatever this stuff is supposed to produce.
Honestly mate if you could wind the clock back 2 years you wouldnāt and didnāt think like this, you had an even healthier distrust of the sods than i.** Anyone seen the list of ingredients of this vaccine theyāve accepted unquestioningly, anyone been given and kept a copy of the list of possible side effects? if you were given a course of anti biotics then in the pack would be most or all of the above and a list of dos and donāts whilst taking the course and for a certain time after, how come this miracle cure didnāt come with any such information or warnings.
The only thing we do know is that the pharmas were given immunity from responsibilty for the results of this experiment, personally that told me all i needed to know.
IS BEING ABLE TO TRAVELor the promise of it if you keep complying,
really worth compromising all of your previous beliefs.
You among all here should know that whilst you continue to comply you will find yourself complying for the rest of your time.
I dearly want the old CF back.I know you have strong views on all this stuff Juddian that you are fully entitled to.
You stick to your principles, and thatās fine and commendable.
I too have my suspicions on some of this stuff, but they are nowhere near as deep seated as yours.
At the end of the day no matter how strong or even militant your views are on anything, you can NEVER beat the āestablishmentā in this country ā¦itās a fact of life, ā¦and this comes from me,Way I see it is if you refuse to play their games thatās fine, but they will always have the upper hand in what they permit you to doā¦because they can.!
I canāt speak for Carryfast, but I m guessing foreign travel is a big thing in his life.
Same deal with me, so when I retire there is no way I am going to approach it like my parents did, ieā¦just switch off, do jack all, never leave the house virtually, and wallow in old age just waiting until they āāget a callingāā from the God they both believe in.
I know you have made no secret of the fact you donāt go out much,.and never go abroad etc,.and if that suits you and your Mrs,.that is absolutely fine, nothing wrong with that, ar all,.everyone is different,.and I get it.
ā¦but me?..
Iām planning to spend my retirement being some kind of aging social animalNow the forum gob [zb] who aināt been on for a while used to take great pleasure in telling /gloating, that the vaccinated will only have 3 to 5 years to live,
,
I guess Iām between Juddian and yourself.
I do think that itās quite possible that Juddian has got it right.But if so thatās even less reason to resist what would then mean a world in which the least of our problems would be being taken out the easy way by the āvaccineā.
As opposed to an unknown quantity that could just as easily be a good thing as a bad thing.But which at face value means the difference between having freedom severely restricted or not for absolute sure.
While if Juddian is right theyāll find an excuse as to why 3 or more jabs still wonāt cut it and will have moved the goal posts to the āClimateā scam to take away those freedoms anyway.Well probably know by the Summer when I fire up the car to go to Le Manās and a good road trip after or before it.
But my 270 days will be up before then so a PZ booster it will have to be.
PLA troops goosestepping up the Mall?
Conventional war with Russua and China?
Artificial pathogen releases?
Nah CF, you probably are as you say between Juddian and myself on views on all this, but youāre as far away from me in terms of extreme, than a pedal car to a Ferrari mate.
I donāt spend/waste my time studying all this stuff, neither from a scientific pov or a political one, to try and find answers.
My main (and to be truthful āonlyāā ) concern in all this stuff since it started is my own direct little worldā¦, ie my family and friends.
Selfish,.narrow minded , blazeā maybe, but thatās how I approach it all.
I could not give a flying ā ā ā ā about āWuhan theoriesā or Proessor Plumās (or whatever tf his name may be) qualified theories and expertise on virology,.I just drive my truck and look forward to weekends at home,.in the same vein as politicians and Covid experts donāt moonlight as truckers at weekends.
Frangers constantly accuses me of apathy and burying my head in the sand, mainly because I don t share his disoroportional.and absolute obsession with all this, and maybe he is right, but I prefer just to try and get on with my life and meet any Covid based obstacle as it comes,.and deal with it in my own wayā¦
Like the reason I chose to have the jab, make a decision and stick with itā¦and that is the extent of my view on all this, combined with my plans for later life as laid out in my previous post to Juddian.
Iāll leave all the political and medical based stuff to those who are paid to worry about it, not to mention a select few on this forum, as life is too ā ā ā ā short to bother my arseā¦even if that life is only 3 to 5 years after the jabs. 
Juddian:
CF, seriously, how did they get to you, or whatās changed in you.
You went from someone who wouldnāt touch this designed in 5 minutes untested miracle set of drugs to accepting it as fate.
So accepting multiple direct injections of God knows what** is no different to being in the same room as those who have taken the muck and apparently now exert some sort of biological aura infecting anyone around them with the spike protiens or whatever this stuff is supposed to produce.
Honestly mate if you could wind the clock back 2 years you wouldnāt and didnāt think like this, you had an even healthier distrust of the sods than i.** Anyone seen the list of ingredients of this vaccine theyāve accepted unquestioningly, anyone been given and kept a copy of the list of possible side effects? if you were given a course of anti biotics then in the pack would be most or all of the above and a list of dos and donāts whilst taking the course and for a certain time after, how come this miracle cure didnāt come with any such information or warnings.
The only thing we do know is that the pharmas were given immunity from responsibilty for the results of this experiment, personally that told me all i needed to know.
Is being able to travel, or the promise of it if you keep complying, really worth compromising all of your previous beliefs.
You among all here should know that whilst you continue to comply you will find yourself complying for the rest of your time.
I dearly want the old CF back.
āthis designed in 5 minutes untested miracle set of drugsā
A school kid starts to play a recorder. They practise and get better, and progress to an oboe, clarinet or other instruments. They learn scales, music, control, performance skills. They are later given a new piece to play and ā¦
Voila!..An Overnight Success!..
ā¦after decades of hard work behind the scenes.
The mRNA technology has been researched for decades. It is novel but provides a framework that does allow for specific vaccines to be developed more quickly than older methods. That is why (it was hoped) it was worthwhile researching it for so long.
There are many avenues of research that dont end up well, they gain no publicity, (publication bias etc) so we dont hear of them, and it seems miraculous or more than co-incidental when a solution is there.
āsome sort of biological aura infecting anyone around them with the spike protiens or whatever this stuff is supposed to produce.ā
Sounds like ā ā ā ā ā ā ā ā to you?
Sounds like ā ā ā ā ā ā ā ā to me, too.
Wonder where that came from?
āside effectsā?
nhs.uk/conditions/coronavir ā¦ e-effects/
Got a paper copy at the time too.
āThe only thing we do know is that the pharmas were given immunity from responsibiltyā
Firstly the UK has provided a means of compensation without need to sue private companies, in the case of covid vaccines.
Big Pharma (I too have problems with them) may not be liable but there is a way to recompense.
We outsourced vital medical research to the private sectorā¦what could possibly go wrongā¦
Pharma is in business to turn profit. What is good for the country and its population isnt always the same as what is good for a private profit making company.
They could if their bean counters add it up one way, either refuse to supply vaccine or charge very expense rates to cover their risk. By limiting their exposure the price they charge has been reduced.
Also the testing of the vaccines was quicker than many previous drugs.
Partly because of financial support by Governments, paying for simultaneous trials, rather than waiting for results of smaller cheaper trials, running successive trials enabled all the same checks as normal to be done in a shorter time.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I rest my case mālud no further questions.
robroy:
Iāll leave all the political and medical based stuff to those who are paid to worry about it, not to mention a select few on this forum, as life is too [zb] short to bother my arseā¦even if that life is only 3 to 5 years after the jabs.
āIfā itās all about some nefarious plot for control over us then itās not difficult to join all the dots.Let alone the idea that it was transmitted by natural causes.
Either way my holidays are more important to me than pointlessly trying to resist whatever it might be that needs resisting.
So weāre not a million miles apart on the issue at the end of the day.
While assuming the worse then resistance is futile and possibly counterproductive anyway.
I was wrongā¦Itās official , masks ARE proven efficient and useful after all.
I take it all back.
youtu.be/nfHiZH57Q_c