Cyclist and lorry - how it's supposed to work!

Time for a bit of balance on the old cyclist vs lorry thing, we’ve had too much negativity of late! :laughing:

Cycling to work this morning, going North on Old Kent Road, a tipper with a plain blue cab overtook me in lane 2 and started indicating left as he passed. I backed off and trailed the brakes to hold position ‘behind’ him as he slowed for the road on our left. I could see him bobbing around in the mirror watching to see if I was going to crack on or back off, gave him a wave, he took the turn and gave me a little double toot of the horn.

No fuss, no drama, neither of us even had to stop. :sunglasses:

That’s crazy talk!

Two people on the road reading a situation and obliging eachother to each other a benefit

hmmm…he’ll get tipper drivers a bad name :wink:

I came up behind a cyclist approaching a pinch point last week. I was all set to slow down but he glanced over his shoulder and jumped up on to the footpath.

Clearly his own safety takes priority over commanding a piece of tarmac.

With regards to that cyclist getting knocked off his bike by that truck, someone came up with a great quote on here last week.

“Its not who is right or wrong, its who ends up in hospital”

You need your head testing riding a bike on a busy dual carriageway.

TJ82:
Two people on the road reading a situation and obliging eachother to each other a benefit

It’ll never catch on :laughing:

General IZD:
Time for a bit of balance on the old cyclist vs lorry thing, we’ve had too much negativity of late! :laughing:

Cycling to work this morning, going North on Old Kent Road, a tipper with a plain blue cab overtook me in lane 2 and started indicating left as he passed. I backed off and trailed the brakes to hold position ‘behind’ him as he slowed for the road on our left. I could see him bobbing around in the mirror watching to see if I was going to crack on or back off, gave him a wave, he took the turn and gave me a little double toot of the horn.

No fuss, no drama, neither of us even had to stop. :sunglasses:

Would it of hurt if he had held off the overtake to turn behind you.

Terry T:
I came up behind a cyclist approaching a pinch point last week. I was all set to slow down but he glanced over his shoulder and jumped up on to the footpath.

Clearly his own safety takes priority over commanding a piece of tarmac.

With regards to that cyclist getting knocked off his bike by that truck, someone came up with a great quote on here last week.

“Its not who is right or wrong, its who ends up in hospital”

You need your head testing riding a bike on a busy dual carriageway.

Or to put it another way, “It’s no good being in the right if you are dead”

Famous Last Words: “I had the right of way.” :astonished:

nick2008:

General IZD:
Time for a bit of balance on the old cyclist vs lorry thing, we’ve had too much negativity of late! :laughing:

Cycling to work this morning, going North on Old Kent Road, a tipper with a plain blue cab overtook me in lane 2 and started indicating left as he passed. I backed off and trailed the brakes to hold position ‘behind’ him as he slowed for the road on our left. I could see him bobbing around in the mirror watching to see if I was going to crack on or back off, gave him a wave, he took the turn and gave me a little double toot of the horn.

No fuss, no drama, neither of us even had to stop. :sunglasses:

Would it of hurt if he had held off the overtake to turn behind you.

Whoa there easy tiger, baby steps my friend baby steps.

BillyHunt:

nick2008:

General IZD:
Time for a bit of balance on the old cyclist vs lorry thing, we’ve had too much negativity of late! :laughing:

Cycling to work this morning, going North on Old Kent Road, a tipper with a plain blue cab overtook me in lane 2 and started indicating left as he passed. I backed off and trailed the brakes to hold position ‘behind’ him as he slowed for the road on our left. I could see him bobbing around in the mirror watching to see if I was going to crack on or back off, gave him a wave, he took the turn and gave me a little double toot of the horn.

No fuss, no drama, neither of us even had to stop. :sunglasses:

Would it of hurt if he had held off the overtake to turn behind you.

Whoa there easy tiger, baby steps my friend baby steps.

Oh stop it your making me blush calling me Tiger :wink:

I don’t normally get involved in these cycle chats as the two sides argue and insult for the sake of it, lets hope this one can stay polite.

So two road users managed to work around each other, as happens a million times every day, someone used mirrors someone looked out, each was aware, someone remembered to pip a thankyou even if they were slightly in the wrong that pip of thanks diffused the situation.

I can’t recall ever having a single anger situation with a cyclist in all my years.

Part of the reason for the annoyance of cyclists is the aggression of some road users, and with lorries in particular the noise of revving engines and the repeated operation of brakes…in order to noisily intimidate IMO in many cases…only adds fuel to the fire.

Reality.
You come up behind a cyclist on a two way road, there’s a constant stream of traffic coming the other way interspersed with obastacles, so you stay well back from the cyclist and select manually as high a gear as is reasonable in order to maintain speed and distance, be in the right gear for an overtake if the opportunity presents itself and you immediately cut the noise and any intimidation down by spades…invariably a little courtesy shown to most cyclists will result in them helping you to overtake them when the time is right…everyones happy, a wave often from cyclist and little toot on horn after you’ve gone well past as a courtesy.

Contrast with too many of our brethren, who charge up and make a big scene of braking heavily and then going up and down the gears alternately accelerating and braking without the remotest possibility of overtaking well, A, because they’re too close and in the wrong and can’t get any speed up as the safe overtake presents itself, and B, they’ve ■■■■■■ off the cyclist who realises the bloke in the lorry is an idiot and then goes out their way to make him wait even longer before overtaking, or is praying for a path to nip up onto so the incompetent can go by.

Course there’s idiot aggressive cyclists, probably wearing too tight lycra cutting off the blood supply to their vitals, but they should be viewed with the same pity and caution as you would an idiot behind the wheel of the lorry, in other words let them go first and then if their idiocy causes mayhem you won’t be involved.

We’ve all got to rub along together, in another 15 years there’ll be another 6+ million people in the country, the days of open roads except in a few rural areas are gone, we’ve all got to live with that.

Being a cyclist (occasional lycra wearer) and class 1 licence holder for 20 years(with a revocation. Another argument ). I like the OP, read and understand many vehicles and they’re sometimes obvious intentions. If I or my other cycling brethren are near an HGV then as much room and respect is given when we are on a ride out. Like was said a few posts earlier. It’s who ends up in Hospital. Ain’t goni be me boyo.
I have said before that people who want to be on the road should understand all road users before going near a road in any way shape or form (will never happen). The OP can identify with the lorry driver, many others can’t even imagine what’s it’s like.

Will done that man for some decent common sense and some good road awareness. :slight_smile:

Terry T:
You need your head testing riding a bike on a busy dual carriageway.

+1. I came across a lycra terrorist with a death wish last night. Who rides up the A90, in the dark, wearing dark clothing, with just a stupid wee 2" red light at the back?

Surprised I’m not reading about her on the news today tbh…

Chris1207:

Terry T:
You need your head testing riding a bike on a busy dual carriageway.

+1. I came across a lycra terrorist with a death wish last night. Who rides up the A90, in the dark, wearing dark clothing, with just a stupid wee 2" red light at the back?

Surprised I’m not reading about her on the news today tbh…

I came up behind one on the A3 last year just after the M25. Smack bang in the middle of the inside lane. Truck in front swerved round him and luckily I saw him in plenty time. He was a lycra lout too. Maybe they think it’s an invincibility cloak :smiley:

Cyclists need to remember they don’t have a protective steel box around them.

Other road users need to remember cyclists don’t have a protective steel box around them.

I have mountain bikes, but no way on God’s earth would I ride them on the public highway.

General IZD:
Time for a bit of balance on the old cyclist vs lorry thing, we’ve had too much negativity of late! :laughing:

Cycling to work this morning, going North on Old Kent Road, a tipper with a plain blue cab overtook me in lane 2 and started indicating left as he passed. I backed off and trailed the brakes to hold position ‘behind’ him

To be fair in an ideal world it is ‘supposed to work’ by the tipper driver thinking there’s a cyclist ahead who he shouldn’t over take in that situation before he needs to make the turn.But it isn’t an ideal world.In which case more cyclists obviously need to follow your advice.Let alone the ones who deliberately try to undertake and outrun a vehicle through a junction.

Terry T:

Chris1207:

Terry T:
You need your head testing riding a bike on a busy dual carriageway.

+1. I came across a lycra terrorist with a death wish last night. Who rides up the A90, in the dark, wearing dark clothing, with just a stupid wee 2" red light at the back?

Surprised I’m not reading about her on the news today tbh…

I came up behind one on the A3 last year just after the M25. Smack bang in the middle of the inside lane. Truck in front swerved round him and luckily I saw him in plenty time. He was a lycra lout too. Maybe they think it’s an invincibility cloak :smiley:

Whilst agreeing fast dual carriageways are quite inappropriate for cycle traffic, they are allowed and have to be allowed for. If the truck in front didn’t see him in good enough time then that’s the driver’s fault. And as for the cyclist taking up the lane, an HGV, at least, should not be attempting to overtake a cyclist without getting into another lane anyway, so maybe the cyclist’s primary position was an attempt to discourage a dangerously close shave. As for the OP, that sounds a very rare occurrence IME.

Snudger:
Whilst agreeing fast dual carriageways are quite inappropriate for cycle traffic, they are allowed and have to be allowed for. If the truck in front didn’t see him in good enough time then that’s the driver’s fault. And as for the cyclist taking up the lane, an HGV, at least, should not be attempting to overtake a cyclist without getting into another lane anyway, so maybe the cyclist’s primary position was an attempt to discourage a dangerously close shave. As for the OP, that sounds a very rare occurrence IME.

Realistically roads like the A3 should be subject to cycle and pedestrian bans just like motorways being that there is effectively no difference between them.

As for taking up a ‘primary position’ within any lane of such a road to discourage a ‘close shave’.By that logic there is no reason why anyone shouldn’t walk in any of the lanes instead too.Or for that matter why bother to stand away from a broken down vehicle on the hard shoulder outside in the cold and wet instead of sitting in it. :unamused:

The fact is roads like the A3 are effectively motorways from the point of view of pedestrians and cyclists.With plenty of more suitable alternative routes for anyone who wants to cycle or walk between the destinations served by them.

carryfast-yeti:
hmmm…he’ll get tipper drivers a bad name :wink:

I think you mean a good name!!

In reply to Carryfast, I agree; such roads really are too dangerous for cyclists and they are banned from at least one part of the A3 (which eventually turns into a motorway of course, though not much different) after all. Not sure what you mean about pedestrians. I don’t believe anyone, certainly with any sense, walks down the A3, in the road! If you think that a cyclist should just jump onto the verge like a pedestrian might to avoid a collision, that’s not going to happen as they probably wouldn’t see a vehicle coming from behind; they shouldn’t prevent safe and rapid overtaking on a DC anyway, given enough forward observation.

As for getting out and away from e.g. a broken-down vehicle on the (non-existent for dual carriageways) hard shoulder then that it is simply increasing the safety margin, exactly the same as taking the primary would be by ensuring enough space is taken to complete the manoeuvre by the overtaking vehicle having to move into another lane which (one would hope) would prevent a dangerously close overtake - would you not agree there is unlikely to be enough room for an HGV to safely overtake, at speed, a cyclist, whilst remaining in the same lane? I know you think, like many, they shouldn’t be there, but hey ho, perhaps they’re just another hazard to be dealt with. Taking the primary in that situation is at the increased risk of simply getting run over though! P.S. no need to bring cyclepaths into this conversation.