Bluey Circles:
I’m curious - how many junctions in London are like that with that many cyclists ?
Rarely see cyclist where I live and if I was put in that situation I would just wait till they cleared, but if that is normal you would sort of have to get on with it. I wonder if drivers who are their everyday get used to their antics and get into some sort of false sense of security that it won’t happen to them. I guess most cyclist are pretty competent of weaving in and out of the traffic, certainly in this video the first few seemed to know exactly what they were doing and knew they could out pace the truck off the lights, but the one who nearly come to grief just seemed well out of his depth.
Itis not just the one who collided with the lorry, the cameraman was intending just the same, just as he did with the grey car at the beginning of the video.
It is not just the Grey car the cameraman passes dangerously, there is no attempt to slow down as he passes a taxi with its left indicator on, and squeezes between it and the van delivering in an entrance. The passenger could have opened the taxi door or the van driver could have walked round the front of his vehicle.
Dodgy Permit:
Well IMO the driver was being irresponsible/negligent at the very least & had that cyclist had fallen the other way … ?
He clearly knew they were there.
All he had to do was ease off a little/wait a little and yes he would then have the problem of getting past them at some stage.
He is going though/into London & its odds on over the course of his journey around town that the cyclists will be quicker (that is why so many ride now) and if past them they will again be at the front of the queue at the next set of lights down the road.
For sure cyclists now disregard the rules of the road (in many cases I have seen) but you still obliged to take care !
As can be seen from the video (as we know of course) a moments inattention can easily end a cyclists life.
Dodgy Permit:
Well IMO the driver was being irresponsible/negligent at the very least & had that cyclist had fallen the other way … ?
He clearly knew they were there.
All he had to do was ease off a little/wait a little and yes he would then have the problem of getting past them at some stage.
He is going though/into London & its odds on over the course of his journey around town that the cyclists will be quicker (that is why so many ride now) and if past them they will again be at the front of the queue at the next set of lights down the road.
For sure cyclists now disregard the rules of the road (in many cases I have seen) but you still obliged to take care !
As can be seen from the video (as we know of course) a moments inattention can easily end a cyclists life.
Dodgy Permit:
Well IMO the driver was being irresponsible/negligent at the very least & had that cyclist had fallen the other way … ?
He clearly knew they were there.
All he had to do was ease off a little/wait a little and yes he would then have the problem of getting past them at some stage.
He is going though/into London & its odds on over the course of his journey around town that the cyclists will be quicker (that is why so many ride now) and if past them they will again be at the front of the queue at the next set of lights down the road.
For sure cyclists now disregard the rules of the road (in many cases I have seen) but you still obliged to take care !
As can be seen from the video (as we know of course) a moments inattention can easily end a cyclists life.
I like the way you excuse any blatant disregard for their own safety, pass the responsibility to the hgv driver then laid the blame squarely at his boots should anything have went wrong
Its a mystery as to why people don’t like cyclists…
Bluey Circles:
I’m curious - how many junctions in London are like that with that many cyclists ?
Rarely see cyclist where I live and if I was put in that situation I would just wait till they cleared, but if that is normal you would sort of have to get on with it. I wonder if drivers who are their everyday get used to their antics and get into some sort of false sense of security that it won’t happen to them. I guess most cyclist are pretty competent of weaving in and out of the traffic, certainly in this video the first few seemed to know exactly what they were doing and knew they could out pace the truck off the lights, but the one who nearly come to grief just seemed well out of his depth.
Firstly there’s no way of making an advanced stop line work there and the rule for cyclists should be no different in that case than for anyone else wait in line.If they think they can out drag motorised traffic off the line ( bs ) then why not use the right hand lane to supposedly do it.
As for the junction design even when ideally,as here in this case,they put a traffic island in the way to stop such stupidity,the two wheeled muppets and the odd car etc,often still try the same stunt by using the left lane and then trying to force their way between the island and traffic going straight ahead and sometimes even going over the island.While ironically if you look at the pic you’ll see that the marker post has been taken out probably by the latest nutter going across the junction in the wrong lane and then decided to do a dukes of hazard stunt over the island. No surprise the cyclist loving council hasn’t made the island fit for purpose by putting in a much higher kerb in that case.Let alone not putting one in at all in the example in question to at least try to stop the thick zb’s.
Dodgy Permit:
Well IMO the driver was being irresponsible/negligent at the very least & had that cyclist had fallen the other way … ?
He clearly knew they were there.
All he had to do was ease off a little/wait a little and yes he would then have the problem of getting past them at some stage.
He is going though/into London & its odds on over the course of his journey around town that the cyclists will be quicker (that is why so many ride now) and if past them they will again be at the front of the queue at the next set of lights down the road.
For sure cyclists now disregard the rules of the road (in many cases I have seen) but you still obliged to take care !
As can be seen from the video (as we know of course) a moments inattention can easily end a cyclists life.
I like the way you excuse any blatant disregard for their own safety, pass the responsibility to the hgv driver then laid the blame squarely at his boots should anything have went wrong
Its a mystery as to why people don’t like cyclists…
The moral dilemma here is whether or not it is acceptable to maim or kill others if they make a mistake providing you have kept within the rules. I think we have well and truly established the cyclists were well out of order, have a total disregard for the rules of the road and possibly little care for their own safety. The big question is should the driver have spotted the danger the cyclist were putting themselves into and done everything within his own ability to make sure no accident occurred, or, is it acceptable to carry on as normal with the opinion that if they end up under the wheels its their own daft fault and I’m not going to worry about it. I would have thought any good careful driver would have predicted the likely conflict and would have backed off. In any other aspect of modern life safety is a priority but sadly the road network seems to exist in some sort of parallel universe where speed and convenience overrules safety.
Bluey Circles:
The moral dilemma here is whether or not it is acceptable to maim or kill others if they make a mistake providing you have kept within the rules. I think we have well and truly established the cyclists were well out of order, have a total disregard for the rules of the road and possibly little care for their own safety. The big question is should the driver have spotted the danger the cyclist were putting themselves into and done everything within his own ability to make sure no accident occurred, or, is it acceptable to carry on as normal with the opinion that if they end up under the wheels its their own daft fault and I’m not going to worry about it. I would have thought any good careful driver would have predicted the likely conflict and would have backed off. In any other aspect of modern life safety is a priority but sadly the road network seems to exist in some sort of parallel universe where speed and convenience overrules safety.
The question is should the innocent party be held accountable ‘if’ they don’t notice/deal with the danger as opposed to the muppets who are the actual cause of the problem.That applies regardless of the relative level of the vulnerability of the ‘offenders’.Who in this case are obviously playing that vulnerability card for all it’s worth and more to create anarchy on the roads.
While by your logic no driver with any sense in this case would use the left of the two straight ahead lanes and just leave the inside clear to cater for this type of inevitable disproportionate muppetry by this outlaw bunch of road users who’s obvious rule of the road is that there are no rules.But which can’t be the case in the example which I posted because there isn’t a second lane to use to go straight ahead.In which case if it all goes wrong and they aren’t seen in time and they end up with the choice of either going over the island or under the wheels of a bus or a bin wagon etc tough that’s their problem not the unfortunate driver’s.
While it would have been interesting to have seen what these cyclist morons would have done if the truck driver had gone for plan B of indicating a false left turn on the basis of lying to stop exactly this type of situation.In which case you can bet the moronic thick zb’s would have done exactly the same thing of undertaking the truck on the approach to and while sitting at the junction.
Carryfast:
While it would have been interesting to have seen what these cyclist morons would have done if the truck driver had gone for plan B of indicating a false left turn on the basis of lying to stop exactly this type of situation.In which case you can bet the moronic thick zb’s would have done exactly the same thing of undertaking the truck on the approach to and while sitting at the junction.
In London they have no problem riding down the left hand side at junctions when indicating left.
The trouble with cyclists in the capital, is that they are straight out of the metropolitan elite bubble. Every time you hear their ok yah voices on camera, you can almost hear the contempt for us mere mortals in gas guzzling death traps. They truly think that because they produce zero emissions, they are some how more entitled to be on the roads
This is why I and many others hate driving trucks in London. I don’t even mind other Cities its just London; its crap and often stresses me out. If its not cyclists being a law onto themselves its the scooters that will cut you up either side.
Amount of times I’ve tried turning left and a ■■■■ in a scooter undertakes me ignoring my indicating completely.
No surprise the cyclist loving council hasn’t made the island fit for purpose by putting in a much higher kerb in that case.Let alone not putting one in at all in the example in question to at least try to stop the thick zb’s. 
