regardless of whether they are in boxes, bags or totes, you can use the internal straps (most of these work in the same way the curtain buckles work) or a ratchet strap or a rope, it doesn’t really matter as long as they are loaded half decent so they will stay tight under whatever you have secured them with.
more so with tote bags and pallets than boxes, especially if it’s a part load, it’s handy to double rope the back bags with a crossover to stop them shifting back if you have to do a hefty hill start.
despite all the oldies saying there is no camaraderie left, no matter where you go someone will help you, even if its a forkie telling you what other drivers usually do. but to be honest, potatoes might be one of the easiest loads, all of it the same size/height and will usually fill the trailer if you are loading from farms, no half loads.
neilg14:
Carried them for more than 20 years, never lost a bag or load, never strapped or roped them, so must have done something right, if they’re stacked right the truck will go over before a bag falls off.
It is guys like you that give our industry such a bad rep. You run illegally, you run the risk of damaging your load and your gaffer losing the contract, you run the risk of hurting or killing an innocent bystander.
Just because you got away with it, does not make it right or legal.
I am glad the DVSA is clamping down hard on this, we need to weed out the stubborn ones that just won’t listen and think the basic Newton’s laws of motion don’t apply to them.
According to the HSE:
3 deaths and 160 major injuries in the ‘freight by road’ industry were caused by objects falling onto people in the 2009/10 work year. 740 more people received injuries severe enough to keep them off work for over three days.
Unsafe loads on vehicles cost UK businesses millions of pounds in damaged goods each year.
Most of us here will do anything to avoid becoming a statistic. I have no patience, nor any respect for any here that just ignore common sense, especially those that say they have been getting away with it for 20 years and will continue to ignore basic load safety.
When it comes down to it, we are not talking regs and rules here, we are talking a bit of common sense to keep others from getting hurt. It takes a few minutes to secure your load, that is a few minutes you wish you had used when due to your negligence and stubbornness you end up hurting or God forbid killing someone.
Securing our loads properly is something we can all easily accomplish, it doesn’t cost anything, just a bit of time. Are some here really that pushed for time that they can’t afford to take a few minutes to secure what they are hauling? Or do some here have zero respect for the life and property of others?
I think it’s you that has difficulty understanding the physics of vehicle body construction.
Utter waste of time strapping bags of spuds on pallets and since you’re so keen on commonsense how does exposing drivers to injury messing about throwing pointless straps over things in busy goods yards make sense.
In my experience any person I’ve come across that likes banging on about health and safety can’t actually do anything safely and couldn’t be left themselves on the Thomas The Tank Engine kiddy ride outside Tescos without having an accident.
Own Account Driver:
Utter waste of time strapping bags of spuds on pallets and since you’re so keen on commonsense how does exposing drivers to injury messing about throwing pointless straps over things in busy goods yards make sense.
DVSA disagree and will quite happily educate you by issuing you with a fine and points on your license.
Only a pillock is incapable of strapping a load down without hurting anyone.
Own Account Driver:
Utter waste of time strapping bags of spuds on pallets and since you’re so keen on commonsense how does exposing drivers to injury messing about throwing pointless straps over things in busy goods yards make sense.
DVSA disagree and will quite happily educate you by issuing you with a fine and points on your license.
Only a pillock is incapable of strapping a load down without hurting anyone.
The DVSA have back-pedalled substantially on the original guidance and I haven’t heard much about the utter nonsense that curtains are only weather protection recently either.
How much experience does the average DVSA employee have in the field of load security and how are they qualified to ‘educate’ the same as the average DCPC instructor I suspect.
As with our friend you have a similar inability with risk assessment. Vehicle loading areas are the place where a lorry driver is at a very high risk of being injured due to other vehicles reversing and forklift trucks operating. Increasing the amount of time (in many cases unnecessarily whilst DVSA try and pretend they’re solving an issue that didn’t exist) drivers spend there greatly increases the risk.
There are many instances of serious injuries and fatalities in goods yards there are none whatsoever, that I have been able to locate, caused by palletised goods in curtainsiders.
Own Account Driver:
Utter waste of time strapping bags of spuds on pallets and since you’re so keen on commonsense how does exposing drivers to injury messing about throwing pointless straps over things in busy goods yards make sense.
DVSA disagree and will quite happily educate you by issuing you with a fine and points on your license.
Only a pillock is incapable of strapping a load down without hurting anyone.
The DVSA have back-pedalled substantially on the original guidance and I haven’t heard much about the utter nonsense that curtains are only weather protection recently either.
How much experience does the average DVSA employee have in the field of load security and how are they qualified to ‘educate’ the same as the average DCPC instructor I suspect.
As with our friend you have a similar inability with risk assessment. Vehicle loading areas are the place where a lorry driver is at a very high risk of being injured due to other vehicles reversing and forklift trucks operating. Increasing the amount of time (in many cases unnecessarily whilst DVSA try and pretend they’re solving an issue that didn’t exist) drivers spend there greatly increases the risk.
There are many instances of serious injuries and fatalities in goods yards there are none whatsoever, that I have been able to locate, caused by palletised goods in curtainsiders.
I witnessed a driver getting hit by the back of a forklift while he was ratchet strapping down a load. I warned him but it was to late but he did get time to turn around and see the forklift so was able to brace himself a bit and luckily the flt driver stopped straight away and he got away with just a bit of bruising.
BillyMac:
Do Tesco curtainsiders have loadbearing curtains does anybody know?
Yes they do…
BillyMac:
Cheers Daf
It might be a better idea to actually check the curtains themselves rather than take the word of a complete stranger on teh interwebz as the undeniable truth.
A load bearing curtain is only a constraint and not a restraint.
I know someone who opened a load bearing curtain and narrowly dodged a washing machine that was double stacked high falling down on him as soon as the curtain was drawn open.
He was also from the mold of I’ve been doing this job years, gravity will hold it
If folks are possibly getting injured securing loads then maybe that work place needs to look at obtaining gantrys and safe areas etc to aid the driver to secure his/her load before taking out on a public highway.
Disclaimer for Moaster (I may or may not have made a spelling mistake in the above post)
chester:
If folks are possibly getting injured securing loads then maybe that work place needs to look at obtaining gantrys and safe areas etc to aid the driver to secure his/her load before taking out on a public highway.
Now that sentence just about sums it all up for me. How on earth have we managed to carry loads all over the world for all these years in a safe manner?
No matter how much they waffle on about straps and ■■■■■■■ gear, there will always be idiots behind the steering wheel who still manage to roll the thing over regardless of the number of straps securing the load.
The fact that people now deem gantries and other means of reaching the top of the load necessary tells me that modern day drivers are about as thick as pig ■■■■ and health and safety has gone way beyond what is reasonable.
BillyMac:
Do Tesco curtainsiders have loadbearing curtains does anybody know?
Yes they do…
BillyMac:
Cheers Daf
It might be a better idea to actually check the curtains themselves rather than take the word of a complete stranger on teh interwebz as the undeniable truth.
I used to drive buses, just about the most expensive live load (as in moaning and moving,most where dead in the head) if you so much as made one of the load/passengers stumble a claim was thrown in, I know this as I moved onto an office job dealing with such lies…I mean claims.
My point is when I was being assessed for the drivers job in the company I work for the guy said I took corners and roundabouts smoothly, I just mentioned my history and that I treat my load and the wagon the same, all be it the wagon has a higher centre of gravity, that said a full double decker bus can be fun, but its how you handle the road and the load, granted, home time and empty its go kart time
Common sense and driving technique to suit the road and load.
chester:
If folks are possibly getting injured securing loads then maybe that work place needs to look at obtaining gantrys and safe areas etc to aid the driver to secure his/her load before taking out on a public highway.
Now that sentence just about sums it all up for me. How on earth have we managed to carry loads all over the world for all these years in a safe manner?
No matter how much they waffle on about straps and ■■■■■■■ gear, there will always be idiots behind the steering wheel who still manage to roll the thing over regardless of the number of straps securing the load.
The fact that people now deem gantries and other means of reaching the top of the load necessary tells me that modern day drivers are about as thick as pig [zb] and health and safety has gone way beyond what is reasonable.
But you haven’t■■? carried loads in a safe manner all these years
Are you telling me a load has never fallen off a truck and killed somebody?
This forums posters just strengthen the case why DCPC is needed.
neilg14:
Carried them for more than 20 years, never lost a bag or load, never strapped or roped them, so must have done something right, if they’re stacked right the truck will go over before a bag falls off.
It is guys like you that give our industry such a bad rep. You run illegally, you run the risk of damaging your load and your gaffer losing the contract, you run the risk of hurting or killing an innocent bystander.
Just because you got away with it, does not make it right or legal.
I am glad the DVSA is clamping down hard on this, we need to weed out the stubborn ones that just won’t listen and think the basic Newton’s laws of motion don’t apply to them.
According to the HSE:
3 deaths and 160 major injuries in the ‘freight by road’ industry were caused by objects falling onto people in the 2009/10 work year. 740 more people received injuries severe enough to keep them off work for over three days.
Unsafe loads on vehicles cost UK businesses millions of pounds in damaged goods each year.
Most of us here will do anything to avoid becoming a statistic. I have no patience, nor any respect for any here that just ignore common sense, especially those that say they have been getting away with it for 20 years and will continue to ignore basic load safety.
When it comes down to it, we are not talking regs and rules here, we are talking a bit of common sense to keep others from getting hurt. It takes a few minutes to secure your load, that is a few minutes you wish you had used when due to your negligence and stubbornness you end up hurting or God forbid killing someone.
Securing our loads properly is something we can all easily accomplish, it doesn’t cost anything, just a bit of time. Are some here really that pushed for time that they can’t afford to take a few minutes to secure what they are hauling? Or do some here have zero respect for the life and property of
If a load I carry needs roping, sheeting, strapping or chaining then I did/do but I won’t be told by some BS, H&S office knob when to do it and as for needing respect from you, I’ll live without it.
wheelnutt:
If you are new to curtainsiders the following are a good read to start re load security, it will cover the basics and explain most forms of strapping/securing/containing a load:
Own Account Driver:
Utter waste of time strapping bags of spuds on pallets and since you’re so keen on commonsense how does exposing drivers to injury messing about throwing pointless straps over things in busy goods yards make sense.
Always roll your straps so the hook is on the outside, when you throw it over and someone happens to be on the other side, they won’t get smacked on the head by a steel hook.
Unless the curtain is load bearing and certified accordingly, treat it as if it didn’t exist, also internal straps have low load ratings so consider throwing straps over as well if you have a heavy load.
There are loads that won’t move and therefore don’t need strapping but VOSA/DVSA/police don’t see it that way so why open yourself to the possibility of prosecution, fines and loss of your license?
chester:
But you haven’t■■? carried loads in a safe manner all these years
Are you telling me a load has never fallen off a truck and killed somebody?
This forums posters just strengthen the case why DCPC is needed.
But we have carried loads in a safe manner for all these years. I’ve been at it more than 20 years now without a single load related incident. We make sure our load is secured properly in such a manner that should harsh braking be involved it will not budge. We managed this even without ratchet straps too. Christ I used to carry bales of wool 3 high with a roller and the load never moved an inch because it was roped on correctly so as to prevent shift under normal driving conditions.
The fact that this was once considered adequate says it all really. The newer thicker more useless drivers need H&S and ■■■■■■■■ from Vosa to tell them what is considered adequate and even they wont commit to anything.
Fact: loads fall from lorries because THE DRIVER has not secured them properly. This has been and always will be the case.
The trouble with a lot of these threads is people comment with no experience of carrying these loads there selves. " I’ve read this, I’ve seen a picture of that"
People that have done this work comment and are accused of being dangerous, in need of DCPC etc
The same happened a while ago with the bulk bags on the flat trailer thread.
Seany:
The trouble with a lot of these threads is people comment with no experience of carrying these loads there selves. " I’ve read this, I’ve seen a picture of that"
People that have done this work comment and are accused of being dangerous, in need of DCPC etc
The same happened a while ago with the bulk bags on the flat trailer thread.
Good point, but to those who have carried such loads perfectly safely for many years do you not agree that it smacks of ■■■■ to be suddenly told by a paper expert that this is now not deemed safe?
I see something on a daily basis that worries me…
A blue chip company carrying loaded stillages on a curtainsider with not a strap in sight… How on earth do they get away with this ■■?
Do the DSVA not stop these people because they assume such a large company will have load security at the forefront of their operation ■■?
top advice mr.flow
