I went to Culina recently, as we do regularly to deliver. On this occasion I was also collecting some of our stock as returns.
This was the first time for a while I’ve collected from there and it took me by surprise when the office bod asked to see my cpc card. I just wanted to get gone and couldn’t be bothered entering into a discussion with the somewhat curt woman as to the whys and wherefores.
So can someone enlighten me as to the need for them to see my cpc to collect my own stock? What would happen if one day I was to “forget” my card?
cupidstunt:
So can someone enlighten me as to the need for them to see my cpc to collect my own stock? What would happen if one day I was to “forget” my card?
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Your first point, she’s a jobsworth super-■■■■■.
Your second point, seeing as it’s their train set and they make the rules, possibly refuse to load you. Ridiculous I agree but this job is all about bits of paper, H&S and my dad’s bigger than your dad bollox.
Since you must carry your card with you when driving ‘professionally’ Or face a £50 fixed penalty, then the only conclusion is she was doing you a £50 favour. That and she is a super ■■■■■.
Be interested to see what they would say if you asked What legal power the are using to demand to see CPC card??
The Vehicle Drivers (Certificates of Professional Competence) Regulations 2007.
S 11 (6) A police constable or vehicle examiner may at any time require a person to whom paragraph (1), (3) or (5) applies to produce to him the evidence or document, as the case may be, referred to in that paragraph.
Traffic Rat:
Be interested to see what they would say if you asked What legal power the are using to demand to see CPC card??
The Vehicle Drivers (Certificates of Professional Competence) Regulations 2007.
S 11 (6) A police constable or vehicle examiner may at any time require a person to whom paragraph (1), (3) or (5) applies to produce to him the evidence or document, as the case may be, referred to in that paragraph.
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I`m sure that applies on the public highway, but in private premises, whereby you have to agree to the owners site rules before you are admitted? That is why we have to wear the “correctly colour coded” hi-viz, hats, boots, and watch their own videos on safe working etc.
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youravinalaff says it well: “it`s their train set”
We had a similar one with Sims Metal in Newport where they wanted to photocopy our drivers licence when delivering their material from another Sims depot. When challenged they said its the new rule when dealing scrap - Failing to understand thats for when people are selling it and you are paying them.
The first driver for my company phoned the boss and he said its none of their business so none of us ever gave them our licence yet we still moved loads for them. No other Sims depot ever wanted to see them anyway so it must of been something the person in charge at Newport decided by themselves.
Franglais:
I`m sure that applies on the public highway, but in private premises, whereby you have to agree to the owners site rules before you are admitted? That is why we have to wear the “correctly colour coded” hi-viz, hats, boots, and watch their own videos on safe working etc.
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youravinalaff says it well: “it`s their train set”
Indeed, but why just CPC? It has no legal standing on private land.
If the want to Worry about H&S, shouldn’t they also be asking for Drivers Licence, as the 2 go together.
I only ask as at Ettingshall near Wolverhampton they do the same and like you I couldn’t be bothered to ask why until about the fifth time.
They never used to they said, until someone got through security unit only to collect a trailer and was never heard from again and neither was the trailer or the goods so it’s to act as ID apparently.
Again only what in got told and I’ve no idea why CPC card and not driving licence in this instance either.
Franglais:
I`m sure that applies on the public highway, but in private premises, whereby you have to agree to the owners site rules before you are admitted? That is why we have to wear the “correctly colour coded” hi-viz, hats, boots, and watch their own videos on safe working etc.
Edit to add
youravinalaff says it well: “it`s their train set”
Indeed, but why just CPC? It has no legal standing on private land.
If the want to Worry about H&S, shouldn’t they also be asking for Drivers Licence, as the 2 go together.
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I totally agree! No rhyme or reason to it.
Make much more sense to see a valid driving licence etc.
I only ask as at Ettingshall near Wolverhampton they do the same and like you I couldn’t be bothered to ask why until about the fifth time.
They never used to they said, until someone got through security unit only to collect a trailer and was never heard from again and neither was the trailer or the goods so it’s to act as ID apparently.
Again only what in got told and I’ve no idea why CPC card and not driving licence in this instance either.
Not Culina, but Ive been asked for driving licence, passport, vehicle reg docs, at various places. All seems ok to me to establish identity before releasing a load. Never a DCPC, however. In fact, although Ive been through doc checks in France, and Germany since they were introduced, I`ve never been asked for my card.
I only ask as at Ettingshall near Wolverhampton they do the same and like you I couldn’t be bothered to ask why until about the fifth time.
They never used to they said, until someone got through security unit only to collect a trailer and was never heard from again and neither was the trailer or the goods so it’s to act as ID apparently.
Again only what in got told and I’ve no idea why CPC card and not driving licence in this instance either.
I agree with what everyone has said, their train set etc, but I think toonsy has it. I imagine it’s a policy that’s been introduced and is applied across the board, regardless. It just seemed odd that I needed to show ID to collect our own stock in our own wagon, which had already been tipped of our own stock!
Another one of these lowest common denominator scenarios me thinks.
It was at Stafford by the way, so probably company wide.
A while back I went into Culina/Great Bear on Magna Park for a collection. Our office said that Culina had requested that any driver going in there for a collection had to have ID with them or the load wouldn’t be put onto the trailer.
When I got there the office bod said it was due to a trailer full of Red Bull being driven off site by a driver. He had the correct load reference number but the unit had false plates on it.
They took a photocopy of my CPC card when I arrived there and once loaded, gave me the load notes and photocopy back.
It will be for ID. They know you will have your CPC because it’s mandatory to carry it.
It’s not unheard of for consignors (Culina in this instance) to ask hauliers for the collecting drivers name for security. I know P&G do, just they never bother asking for ID.
I will be going there sometime next week in a van, so I’m quite tempted to “forget” my cpc card as it’s not needed for driving a van. It’ll be interesting to see what they do.
Franglais:
I`m sure that applies on the public highway, but in private premises, whereby you have to agree to the owners site rules before you are admitted? That is why we have to wear the “correctly colour coded” hi-viz, hats, boots, and watch their own videos on safe working etc.
Edit to add
youravinalaff says it well: “it`s their train set”
Indeed, but why just CPC? It has no legal standing on private land.
If the want to Worry about H&S, shouldn’t they also be asking for Drivers Licence, as the 2 go together.
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There appears to be some blurring of the lines between what can be demanded (with sanctions to back this up) and what may be requested.
They can ask to see anything they like. Unlike the case with police etc requiring production of DQ card on the road, no offence is committed by failing or refusing to comply with their request. If you don’t want to (or cannot) comply with their request, communication between employers (theirs and yours) will ensue and the outcome of this will determine what you show them and as a consequence what (if anything) you deliver or collect. If they are recording personal details (e.g. your name etc) then they will probably be required to ensure that all their records comply fully with the Data Protection legislation. If you’re not happy to have them record your details then again, a call to your employer will set some wheels in motion until a decision is made as to what details you will give and what (if anything) you will be delivering or collecting on that occasion.
Recently had my regular backload changed from Langdons to Culina (Avonmouth).Office told me to make sure I had my license and CPC cards handy for inspection when picking up the load.
So I did. Polish lassie on the desk was perfectly pleasant about it imo. Takes them less than five seconds to check them both. No drama.
