Crap day on the M25 Essex today

RIPPER:

Winseer:

Franglais:

exit:
From Essexlive:
“Both HGVs have been significantly damaged”
Well, you can’t tell from looking at those photos…

In the plus side, the press weren’t guilty of sensationalism on that score. :slight_smile:

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It is a good job that no one was “significantly killed”. :neutral_face:

Looking at the now re-surfaced road there, I’ll suggest that this accident was caused by something flying out of the on-slip, the foreign wagon tried to change from lane 1 to lane 2 to let them out/avoid hitting the merging vehicle - only to side-swipe whatever was in lane 2 at that moment - the foreign driver’s blind side of course.

@Winseer…you are correct, but it was the MAN that pulled out on the Alcaline driver

Fortunately the Alcaline driver had nothing worse than a broken wrist, he is a very lucky man :astonished:

If and it’s probably big IF this is true why would any decent truck driver swerve into another truck to avoid a smaller vehicle who is supposedly at fault?

Chatting to a mate of mine who is an assessor the other day, he said: if you want to see the difference between an EE licence and £2K worth of training, come out with me for a day.

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It is a good job that no one was “significantly killed”. :neutral_face:

Looking at the now re-surfaced road there, I’ll suggest that this accident was caused by something flying out of the on-slip, the foreign wagon tried to change from lane 1 to lane 2 to let them out/avoid hitting the merging vehicle - only to side-swipe whatever was in lane 2 at that moment - the foreign driver’s blind side of course.
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@Winseer…you are correct, but it was the MAN that pulled out on the Alcaline driver

Fortunately the Alcaline driver had nothing worse than a broken wrist, he is a very lucky man :astonished:
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If and it’s probably big IF this is true why would any decent truck driver swerve into another truck to avoid a smaller vehicle who is supposedly at fault?
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I’m not saying the MAN swerved out to avoid a vehicle exiting the slip road, (although it’s a possibility), i am saying the MAN pulled out on the Alcaline driver

How many of us still flinch a bit when a fox runs out right in front of us?

A hard part of the LGV course for me was when with my instructor in the passenger seat - a pheasant was sitting about a foot out from the gutter one day, and I moved eversoslightly into the middle of the road to avoid fitting it into my tyre treads… Only for the instructor to lean over, and jerk the steering wheel back so the bird was well and truly run over by all the wheels down that kerbside of the combination!

Dammit - I’m an animal lover. I was told in no uncertain terms “Just run the buggers over that get in your way”.
The hardest lesson for me to learn, that. :blush: :frowning:

It still breaks my heart when I see dead cats when traversing a roundabout nearly every month. :frowning:

Winseer:
How many of us still flinch a bit when a fox runs out right in front of us?

A hard part of the LGV course for me was when with my instructor in the passenger seat - a pheasant was sitting about a foot out from the gutter one day, and I moved eversoslightly into the middle of the road to avoid fitting it into my tyre treads… Only for the instructor to lean over, and jerk the steering wheel back so the bird was well and truly run over by all the wheels down that kerbside of the combination!

Dammit - I’m an animal lover. I was told in no uncertain terms “Just run the buggers over that get in your way”.
The hardest lesson for me to learn, that. :blush: :frowning:

It still breaks my heart when I see dead cats when traversing a roundabout nearly every month. :frowning:

Your instructor was clearly an ■■■■■■■■. I do my best to avoid living things that cross my path and it hasn’t caused me any problems yet. Id have asked for a new instructor after that particular ‘lesson’. A respect for life shouldn’t only extend to humans.

Winseer:
Only for the instructor to lean over, and jerk the steering wheel back so the bird was well and truly run over by all the wheels down that kerbside of the combination!

That’s a…

Really safe thing to do innit.

No one takes control of my steering wheel…ever!

switchlogic:

Winseer:
How many of us still flinch a bit when a fox runs out right in front of us?

A hard part of the LGV course for me was when with my instructor in the passenger seat - a pheasant was sitting about a foot out from the gutter one day, and I moved eversoslightly into the middle of the road to avoid fitting it into my tyre treads… Only for the instructor to lean over, and jerk the steering wheel back so the bird was well and truly run over by all the wheels down that kerbside of the combination!

Dammit - I’m an animal lover. I was told in no uncertain terms “Just run the buggers over that get in your way”.
The hardest lesson for me to learn, that. :blush: :frowning:

It still breaks my heart when I see dead cats when traversing a roundabout nearly every month. :frowning:

Your instructor was clearly an [zb]. I do my best to avoid living things that cross my path and it hasn’t caused me any problems yet. Id have asked for a new instructor after that particular ‘lesson’. A respect for life shouldn’t only extend to humans.

Absolutely agree. Obviously can’t always be done but on a clear road as is implied then it’s a ■■■■ move to intentionally run it over, you see it all the time with other drivers avoiding stuff that’s already dead, just to be human.

yourhavingalarf:
…evidence enough that what ever restraint system (if there was one at all) was in use, it clearly didn’t work.

Bit worrying as thats what the company advertise themselves as doing.

Would have thought if the company official proceedures wasnt up to scratch, Vosa would have nobbled them by now, so maybe this driver didn’t follow the book?

As for running over wildlife - you’re not supposed to swerve hard to avoid them, but its still an obsticle in the road so avoidance would be the best action if safe. Plus damage from one of those could be significant. Instructor sounds like a total knob type ex driver that the industry refused to employ anymore.

My instructor died five 4 years ago of Cancer, so I won’t speak ill of the dead on here.

I drive in a manner that tries to anticipate animals just stepping out over say, the rumble strip on the motorway. A slight course alternation is all that is needed, not even a lane change.

I still snarl when I see squashed animals well into the hard shoulder, suggesting that someone bloody well swerved out of their way to hit the thing! :imp:

Despite that, I’ve still managed to total a fox, a badger, an owl, and a rabbit - but numerous pigeons, rats, and even the occasional lizard over the 27 years I’ve been driving professionally. Hedgehogs on the other hand - are easier to avoid than most realize, making it all the more annoying when I see such a “Traditional Trucker Kill” on some service road somewhere… :frowning:

Whats more humane to drive past a fox that has a few hours of misery left or run it over?

The logic is sound as well. Many crashes/accidents were caused by people trying to avoid animals. Ye a ‘pro’ driver might be able to make the right call on the spot but the ‘average driver’ may well just go oh %$£S a cat and swerve out the way and end up causing a accident.

Also if you make enough mess on the truck you can show your boss and explain to him you’ve done something really bad and you need his help covering it up. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Winseer:
I still snarl when I see squashed animals well into the hard shoulder, suggesting that someone bloody well swerved out of their way to hit the thing! :imp:

Far, far more likely that the animal continued its trajectory across the road after it was hit. Simple physics.

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adam277:
Whats more humane to drive past a fox that has a few hours of misery left or run it over?

The logic is sound as well. Many crashes/accidents were caused by people trying to avoid animals. Ye a ‘pro’ driver might be able to make the right call on the spot but the ‘average driver’ may well just go oh %$£S a cat and swerve out the way and end up causing a accident.

Also if you make enough mess on the truck you can show your boss and explain to him you’ve done something really bad and you need his help covering it up. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Why does the fox only have a few hours of misery left exactly? That’s a very weak justification you’re using to con yourself into thinking it’s the humane thing to do. Does it extend to all animals or just foxes?

switchlogic:

adam277:
Whats more humane to drive past a fox that has a few hours of misery left or run it over?

The logic is sound as well. Many crashes/accidents were caused by people trying to avoid animals. Ye a ‘pro’ driver might be able to make the right call on the spot but the ‘average driver’ may well just go oh %$£S a cat and swerve out the way and end up causing a accident.

Also if you make enough mess on the truck you can show your boss and explain to him you’ve done something really bad and you need his help covering it up. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Why does the fox only have a few hours of misery left exactly? That’s a very weak justification you’re using to con yourself into thinking it’s the humane thing to do. Does it extend to all animals or just foxes?

I’ve mentioned on here before the time I basically destroyed a fox, left it’s back legs in a mess unable to move, just shrieking in pain. In thst instance I backed over it but I felt horrid for days after. Still do now tbh and it’s only knowing that at least it wasn’t in pain any longer which made me feel a bit better about it

fair enough then.
your in a doomed if you or dont situation there.
ive smacked a dog and a deer and killed them instantly which means its over as quick as it starts.

Roymondo:

Winseer:
I still snarl when I see squashed animals well into the hard shoulder, suggesting that someone bloody well swerved out of their way to hit the thing! :imp:

Far, far more likely that the animal continued its trajectory across the road after it was hit. Simple physics.

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Nah, it ain’t that.

An animal at the end of a diagnonal skid mark of blood might be what you describe above… :grimacing:
I’m talking about say, a hedgehog or rabbit squashed flat straight DOWN onto the left hand side of the Hard Shoulder, with not the tiniest trace of blood around it, but copious amounts of gore in a neat pile at the “Squash Site”.