had my 1 st 10 hr session and it was 10 hrs of how to do the job the stobart way, i.e iso-trac, building tauts, 15 mins on why not to wear your high-viz in cab as it dazzles the spotters cammeras [or something like that].
dont know what the training should be about but if its really company training it doesnt seem resonable to expect you to pay back £200+ if you leave within 6 months of the traing, then a % over the next 6 months, more so the fact your doing a day per year for the next 5 years so youll owe them £200+ for most of the next 5 years if you leave,surely company training should be free
Did you sign anything to agree to this or is it in your contract - if no to both then ignore it
ROG:
Did you sign anything to agree to this or is it in your contract - if no to both then ignore it
no we didnt sign anything, its just a letter on board which says if you attend cpc course you have to pay full cost back [course,wages,food] if you leave within 6 months and a % thereafter .
i didnt even no about it untill a day or two later when lad said he wasnt going on it as he wasnt paying £200 for company training, never saw it on board.
ady1:
ROG:
Did you sign anything to agree to this or is it in your contract - if no to both then ignore itno we didnt sign anything, its just a letter on board which says if you attend cpc course you have to pay full cost back [course,wages,food] if you leave within 6 months and a % thereafter .
i didnt even no about it untill a day or two later when lad said he wasnt going on it as he wasnt paying £200 for company training, never saw it on board.
That notice has no legal standing unless you signed to say that you read it and understood it.
There is nothing that the company can legally do about the Dcpc fee if you leave tomorrow from what I can see 
why was it a 10 hr course??
ady1:
had my 1 st 10 hr session and it was 10 hrs of how to do the job the stobart way, i.e iso-trac, building tauts, 15 mins on why not to wear your high-viz in cab as it dazzles the spotters cammeras [or something like that].
dont know what the training should be about but if its really company training it doesnt seem resonable to expect you to pay back £200+ if you leave within 6 months of the traing, then a % over the next 6 months, more so the fact your doing a day per year for the next 5 years so youll owe them £200+ for most of the next 5 years if you leave,surely company training should be free
Its 35 hours in five years you need not 10 hours every year. Good of you to highlight that one of the market leaders (Stobarts) wants to charge drivers for work related training though 
From what I can gather reading these posts, all this DCPC stuff is costing companies and individuals a fortune, and for what??
It seems that half of what you are being TOLD, and I mean that expressively, is wrong and the other half has no bearing or relation to the legalaties of the job itself.
I have not even thought about any of it yet, but if what has been said is anything to go by, I won’t bother.
Is there not a main office you can complain to regarding the standards of these so called ‘Trainers’ ? I was was reading one thread on here where the trainer (or sneaker, take your pick) claimed that the minimum amount of time allowed for a break is 20 minutes !!
Fair enough, some companies are recommending that you take an extra 5 minutes to be on the safe side, but c’mon, you should be given the correct information to start with THEN given advice on how to avoid the pitfalls.
Darby Flyer:
From what I can gather reading these posts, all this DCPC stuff is costing companies and individuals a fortune, and for what??It seems that half of what you are being TOLD, and I mean that expressively, is wrong and the other half has no bearing or relation to the legalaties of the job itself.
I have not even thought about any of it yet, but if what has been said is anything to go by, I won’t bother.
It costs roughly £350 (at current rates) over five years to complete the required training to retain your HGV licence for work. So i don’t think ‘a fortune’ would be an accurate description.
Darby Flyer:
Is there not a main office you can complain to regarding the standards of these so called ‘Trainers’ ? I was was reading one thread on here where the trainer (or sneaker, take your pick) claimed that the minimum amound of time allowed for a break is 20 minutes !!Fair enough, some companies are recommending that you take an extra 5 minutes to be on the safe side, but c’mon, you should be given the correct information to start with THEN given advice on how to avoid the pitfalls.
OUr in house trainer done a tacho session this weekend. It went like this…
Trainer…so you can drive 10 hours a day three times a week.
Driver…eh?How many times a week can you drive 10 hours?
Trainer…three.
Driver…its two isn’t it, you’re only allowed to drive 10 hours twice in a week?
Trainer…yeah thats right, you know what i mean.
Mike-C:
OUr in house trainer done a tacho session this weekend. It went like this…
Trainer…so you can drive 10 hours a day three times a week.
Driver…eh?How many times a week can you drive 10 hours?
Trainer…three.
Driver…its two isn’t it, you’re only allowed to drive 10 hours twice in a week?
Trainer…yeah thats right, you know what i mean.
I rest my case
The trainers are trained in delivering training,they need know nothing about the real world of driving in the commecial enviroment.Details like bringing in more than you pay out does not concern them.
I worked for ten years with a leading supermarket company as a driving instructor and trainer, I worked as training manager for another leading parcel company for two years, and i was training officer for another company for two years. I have an FTA assessors certificate, and I did have a DSA RLGV instructors ticket. I have over twenty years experience of training class one drivers, but Now I can’t find work as a trainer because I don’t have this new NVQ certificate that gets given to company trainers with cornflakes. I have applied for jobs all over the place, but when I am asked if I have an “A2” NVQ sertificate, I say no and the phone is put down on me. I don’t have the cash to pay for this training myself, so I will drive and listen to lesser people telling me about things I know better than they do.
As for repaying the company for training, just forget about it. If you leave, they can not deduct this without written permission from you, and they can not withhold the cash> I know this for a fact as one of the drivers I instructed was in this position, and his company could do nothing to get thier money back even though he had signed a form.
This discussion makes me smile, actualy the whole DCPC discussion makes me smile.
Maybe because I lost my marbles ages ago,but somewhere in this discussion[and many other] the point get missed completley.
Does nobody see it than?? or maybe nobody wants to see it.
The companies/ employers have zero interest in the DCPC 
Because it doesn’t bring them anything, they don’t get a better driver with it, a lot of hassle they get and nothing else.
Your Driver CPC is a part of your driving license and nothing else, if you don’t have a license, no Digi card or no DCPC, you can not drive a truck commercialy[or not at all] in the future, end of story.
So for an employer you would be in a similair position as somebody who lost his license, and be un-employable.
Where we not ALL moaning when the Job centres put all these Rover employees through a 9 day course to make them all “HGV driver”■■
And didn’t we agree on all these truck stops, forums etc. that in 9 days you couldn’t be a driver because you would understand f**** all??
I think IMHO that a lot of drivers wouldn’t be damaged with some training, and maybe our “job” could grow in the future to a “TRADE”, because we are well trained, educated members of the public, and not just a driver.
What is wrong with that■■?
New rules and regulations, and not only Tacho and WTD,but also Health, Safety, Enviroment, Traffic and Employment rules, are moving with such a speed forward that nobody seems to be able to keep up, what is wrong with a refresher?
I agree with everybody that the course needs to be of good quality, and be useful and understanding, but it is a step forward in the right direction.
If I see on a daily base how many drivers struggle with the rules, and have a problem with documents and electronic systems, than I believe we need to be trained and not company training only.
The Dutch have a “Chauffeurs Diploma” already since the 80’s, and are always well respected in Europe as an educated and trained specialist, you need it there before you even can drive a truck above 7.5ton (Cost for yourself approx 700-800 euro + if you do it fast 12-14 full days)
Try to see things also positive and open minded, the next thing will be a 5 yearly medical, like the rest of Europe, so plenty to come.
Let we try to make our jobs a high trade where specialists work, and maybe we get some respect in the future.
Lets go for the better.
when you are going for your training for dcpc ask if the trainer knows what he is supposed to be training you
4.30 hr rule 10 hour driving how many days per week etc.
i train the dcpc and i know what i am talking about i have been there got the t shirt and know most of the tricks
i was also put on a course by my employer along with other supposed dcpc trainers (from other companies)
and trust me when i tell you they did not have a clue
if i was in one of there training sessions i would walk out get my money back and report them to jaupt
please ask the trainer if he knows what he is talking about
its no good to you sitting for at least 7 hours listening to utter drivel and half truths it will only confuse you
and as for those trainers who want you to build a trailor ([zb] off)
Mike-C:
OUr in house trainer done a tacho session this weekend. It went like this…
Trainer…so you can drive 10 hours a day three times a week.
Driver…eh?How many times a week can you drive 10 hours?
Trainer…three.
Driver…its two isn’t it, you’re only allowed to drive 10 hours twice in a week?
Trainer…yeah thats right, you know what i mean.
things I learned on a CPC course this week
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you can use POA you can extend your 15 hour shift as POA doesn’t count towards anything
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you can only pay back reduced weekly rests at weekends
3, You MUST write you name on an analogue tacho disc as SURNAME then NAME
had what can best described as a Coffeholic moment when we corrected them ( and were backed up by a VOSA vehicle examiner who happened to be passing)
a little bit of knowledge is dangerous
but i rest my case when i say some (not all) trainers dont know what they are talking about
death by power point springs to mind
just by comparison how much are you being charged for dcpc
we charge £100 per head to outside companies £50 to employees
happyweetrucker:
please ask the trainer if he knows what he is talking about
They will say yes as they BELIEVE they are right
happyweetrucker:
its no good to you sitting for at least 7 hours listening to utter drivel and half truths it will only confuse you
Unless those drivers sitting on the course ALREADY KNOW the correct regs and are prepared to question the trainer then they will go away thinking that the trainer is correct !!
If those drivers sitting on the course do ALREADY KNOW then what is the point of them being on the course in the first place ■■
This will always be a problem until course content and un-announced visits are made on trainers when delivering the Dcpc sessions and at present there are no plans to do either 
ROG:
happyweetrucker:
please ask the trainer if he knows what he is talking aboutThey will say yes as they BELIEVE they are right
happyweetrucker:
its no good to you sitting for at least 7 hours listening to utter drivel and half truths it will only confuse youUnless those drivers sitting on the course ALREADY KNOW the correct regs and are prepared to question the trainer then they will go away thinking that the trainer is correct !!
Not if I’m on the course they won’t. No one will be leaving that course believing the trainer was correct 
happyweetrucker:
a little bit of knowledge is dangerous
but i rest my case when i say some (not all) trainers dont know what they are talking about
death by power point springs to mind
just by comparison how much are you being charged for dcpc
we charge £100 per head to outside companies £50 to employees
it was cheap as we blagged some european funding from the Exmoor Hill Farm project 
£85 but 70 % is funded, so should only cost me £25
there was a lot of powerpoint 
and it counts for dcpc even if it was crap !!