as we all know the new cash cow for this robbing ■■■■■■■ government is coming in for all new drivers of LGV’s from september 2009.
where would you stand if your course starts in august and your test is on the 1st or even 2nd September?
what about if you take your C+ E in september 09? obviously you will already have your C and do you need the CPC training that is meant to be included in all courses from september? the reason i ask this is that you will already have your CPC from “grandfather” rights but will companies try to blag more money out of thier pupils, especially if going straight from C to C+E? not being rude to noobies (i still am one) here but sometimes you dont quite know fully what you need when you book the course so will a lot just add it on without asking (by some i mean the likes of sterling and partners)
i know for some it might be worth just doing it and getting it out of the way but then again if you have 5 years to do the course do you really want to be forking out however much it is for that when you dont need to? at least when you are working on the wagons there may be a possibility of your gaffer paying for it!
where would you stand if your course starts in august and your test is on the 1st or even 2nd September?
The important date is 10 sept 2009.
I will call the DSA and find out if the whole 35 hours of driver cpc has to be completed before taking a test Sept 10 2009 or just the theory parts as present - it might be that the other parts of the driver cpc can be completed afterwards but I doubt it. Eother way you can’t driver LGV for H or W until all are passed if a trainee on C or C1 on 10 sept 2009.
what about if you take your C+ E in september 09?
You already have C so you need to get the 35 hours in by 2014
Sorry ROG, didnt realise it was 10th Sept, didnt really look into the dates that much, just knew it was september 09 it as it doesnt concern me that much, not until 2014 anyway
Giblsa:
Sorry ROG, didnt realise it was 10th Sept, didnt really look into the dates that much, just knew it was september 09 it as it doesnt concern me that much, not until 2014 anyway
… but it has raised a good question to which I will be asking the DSA for an answer
I phoned 0115 9366306 (the office of a Mr D Shepherd) and got this DEFINITIVE reply from one of his staff…
I did ask 3 times in different ways to make sure the answers he gave me were the same and put what I am writing below to him in the same way that I am putting it on here.
There are 4 modules for the INITIAL LGV DRIVER CPC
Module 1 is almost the same as the current 2 part theory (questions and HPT) which must be completed before taking module 3.
Module 3 is the practical DSA test (the reversing, stopping and on-the-road driving bit - same as now but might be a bit more enhanced - SAFED etc)
Modules 2 & 4 are done after modules 1 & 3 - daft to me but thats what they said
Module 2 is the ‘case studies’
Module 4 is the ‘vehicle safety’
Once all 4 modules are completed then the driver needs to complete another 35 hours of ONGOING DRIVER CPC training before the 5 years is up from completing the INITIAL one.
The ONGOING modules will be different from the INITIAL modules.
What will the initial qualification involve? It will involve 4 hours of theory testing and 2 hours of practical testing. (The test for driving licence acquisition currently comprises of a 1.5 hour theory test and 1.5 hour practical test. So the extra testing would be 2.5 hours of theory testing and 30 minutes of practical testing.) The tests must be at the equivalent of NVQ level 2. DSA are introducing modular tests so that drivers can obtain their driving licence and CPC at the same time. The CPC syllabus covers the additional knowledge a professional driver needs to have; it is not just about practical driving skills. The Theory test will be in 3 parts: Module 1a - licence acquisition - 100 multiple choice questions Module 1b - icence aquisition - 19 hazard perception clips Module 2 - initial driver CPC - 3 case studies The “Case studies” will be designed to suit the profile of the candidate and DSA is meeting both sectors to help develop the new tests. DSA envisages that the questions would be of the format where a situation or scenario was defined for the driver, and they are then asked questions relating to this situation. Case studies wherever possible will use diagrams, pictures and graphics. Test presentation will be screen-based, like the theory test for driving licence acquisition, and will be delivered from existing theory test centres. The Practical test will be in 2 parts: Module 3 - licence acquisition - 1.5 hours of on-road practical testing Module 4 - initial driver CPC - 0.5 hours of practical ‘show me, tell me’ test using a vehicle
I don’t know about you folks but the two lots of info do not quite match up - or is it me
you’ll be ok as you should have C by Sept 09 which means that you will not need to do the INITIAL one but will need to complete the ONGOING (periodic) one by 2014
so what is our (by our i mean qualified drivers prior to sept 09) cpc going to consist of? i dont mean the subjects i mean the items in the subjects.
are we basically going to take a theory and driving test every 5 years? or is it just a case of turn up and get a tick in the boxes to say you attended?
Giblsa:
so what is our (by our i mean qualified drivers prior to sept 09) cpc going to consist of? i dont mean the subjects i mean the items in the subjects.
are we basically going to take a theory and driving test every 5 years? or is it just a case of turn up and get a tick in the boxes to say you attended?
The DSA have not worked the details of that out yet
The ONGOING (periodic) driver cpc is supposed to reflect what the driver does for their particular job so i SUPPOSE it will include tacho stuff, the WTD, H&S as well as anything pertaining to the current type of job that the driver does - but I am speculating…
The ONGOING (periodic) driver cpc is supposed to reflect what the driver does for their particular job so i SUPPOSE it will include tacho stuff, the WTD, H&S as well as anything pertaining to the current type of job that the driver does - but I am speculating…
