Are companies within there legal rites to refuse to allow you too take a day course if you don’t have paper part of license,you have plastic part.
I would add a piece of paper was signed years ago so you didn’t have too bring your license too work too be checked,checked electronically.
After refusing you said course because you can’t find the paper bit of your license,you they then put a mark on you file against you,saying you need to organise your life at home better( basically what note says)
Ta
From the little I remember they only need the photocard bit for a dcpc course
ROG:
From the little I remember they only need the photocard bit for a dcpc course
Your licence is made up of BOTH the card and paper. The instructor MUST see BOTH for EVERY day you attend a DCPC course.
Meistre:
ROG:
From the little I remember they only need the photocard bit for a dcpc courseYour licence is made up of BOTH the card and paper. The instructor MUST see BOTH for EVERY day you attend a DCPC course.
Why 
,they check them electronically normally so why do they need too see it on CPC course,couldn’t they just do the same check electronically ta
Meistre:
ROG:
From the little I remember they only need the photocard bit for a dcpc courseYour licence is made up of BOTH the card and paper. The instructor MUST see BOTH for EVERY day you attend a DCPC course.
How does that work for say a driver with a Polish licence who can take the course? - they do not have a paper part
ROG:
Meistre:
ROG:
From the little I remember they only need the photocard bit for a dcpc courseYour licence is made up of BOTH the card and paper. The instructor MUST see BOTH for EVERY day you attend a DCPC course.
How does that work for say a driver with a Polish licence who can take the course? - they do not have a paper part
I’ve done lots of training on DCPC in London and we get all nationalities coming through the door and they all have the same format licence nowadays. I’m certain I have had Polish drivers and they’ve had the same format licence as the rest. My understanding is that the licence format is standard across Europe now…
I’ve not had one guy turn up without both parts…well I have and they’ve been sent home cos they can’t complete the course. If I get a JAUPT or DSA inspection they expect to see both parts as part of the audit.
I think you missed the point - all other EU drivers can turn up with just the photocard which is the EU directive but what you are saying is that UK drivers must go beyond that and have something extra - the paper part
That seems unfair and not in EU harmony - the idea is that the same rules apply across the EU … yes?
ROG:
I think you missed the point - all other EU drivers can turn up with just the photocard which is the EU directive but what you are saying is that UK drivers must go beyond that and have something extra - the paper partThat seems unfair and not in EU harmony - the idea is that the same rules apply across the EU … yes?
I can’t speak for other countries. As far as I know and been informed, all drivers attending must have both parts of the licence (card and paper) to complete the day’s training, in the same way that constabularies do not accept just the card section when asked to produce a licence. My understanding is that, in UK law, a licence is only valid if the holder has BOTH parts and can surrender them upon request to an appropriate authority, i.e. Police.
Failure to have both parts means I have to send them home, if I am audited on the day then anyone without a correct valid licence has their training day cancelled and not uploaded to the DSA systems.
When it comes to our European counterparts, my understanding is that they work to the same rules as defined in the EU Directorate but put the national emphasis and regulations into their own law.
I also understand that training SHOULD be completed in the country of residence of the licence holder.
I don’t make the rules, only follow them. 
I would be interested to see comments from other dcpc providers on this issue
ROG:
I would be interested to see comments from other dcpc providers on this issue
Me too…I deliver the DCPC courses (amongst other things) developed by a well known consortium in this field though I’m considering expanding out to do other courses. I was even toying with the idea of creating my own and build some tailoring into the programs to adapt them for industry specific sub-sectors and haulage firms. This consortium doesn’t allow me that flexibility though they have stopped some of the more ridiculous demands, though not all by any stretch.
With the best will in the world, when you’ve got a classroom of 20 guys, 80% on C1 only and you’ve got 40+ slides about draw-bar does smack of inflexibility and silliness…but there is the law!
Do the other EU countries have a paper counterpart to their photo card? If not, then their licence is just the photo card. It’s always been that the UK DL is made up of both parts. Technically if you’re driving commercially, your licence is now made up of 3 components, the paper counterpart, DCPC card and photocard. It’s a stupid thing but that’s the way it is.
It would be nice to have a combined photocard which was your DL, DCPC and Taco card all in one but the authorities are incapable of such joined up thinking.
What the op was asking is can a company refuse you time off because you dont have the paper part of your licence to take a course, answer = YES
I also believe that if a Foreigner is over here for a certain amount of time, HE/SHE has to exchange their licence for a GB one, so if i was the TM, i would tell him to send off for an exchange, and then when he has both parts, i would release him to do the course, because thats the requirements, if he doesnt want to exchange, i would tell him to go back to wherever he came from, to do the course there, and pay for it himself, i would have no qualms about him taking time off for that, but would remind him of the cost, against exchange cost. ps I may even remind him that this is England, and this is the way WE do things here.
It is a DSA/JAUPT requirement that every delegate on DCPC course produces a current, valid driving licence on the day the training takes place. This includes paper counterpart if a photocard licence is produced. This forms part of the ID checks by the training provider. If no photocard licence is held e.g. still on paper licence the delegate may still attend providing he has the current, valid old-stlye paper licence and photographic ID e.g. passport or ID card. However when they reach 35 hours their DCPC DQC card will be held back until they exchange old-style paper licence for new-style photocard & counterpart, when this is done DQC issue will happen automatically.
The only exemption from these rules is when the licence is ‘away’ at DVLA Swansea.
I think if a non-British EU licence holder attends training then JAUPT are to be informed in order for the 7 hours to be uploaded but they may still present their ‘home’ licence - if not permanent UK residents. Of course the same can be done in other EU states by British drivers. I will look for a link to all this.
Basically no valid, current driving licence = no training.
Did 21hrs periodic a couple of weeks back, and had to present both. some of em didn`t bring anything. they went home.
the course guy got all paranoid that one of them might have been a local reporter or dvsa mole!
Daz1970:
It is a DSA/JAUPT requirement that every delegate on DCPC course produces a current, valid driving licence on the day the training takes place. This includes paper counterpart if a photocard licence is produced. This forms part of the ID checks by the training provider. If no photocard licence is held e.g. still on paper licence the delegate may still attend providing he has the current, valid old-stlye paper licence and photographic ID e.g. passport or ID card. However when they reach 35 hours their DCPC DQC card will be held back until they exchange old-style paper licence for new-style photocard & counterpart, when this is done DQC issue will happen automatically.
The only exemption from these rules is when the licence is ‘away’ at DVLA Swansea.
I think if a non-British EU licence holder attends training then JAUPT are to be informed in order for the 7 hours to be uploaded but they may still present their ‘home’ licence - if not permanent UK residents. Of course the same can be done in other EU states by British drivers. I will look for a link to all this.Basically no valid, current driving licence = no training.
Links relating to the above post:
gov.uk/driver-certificate-o … ce-holders
Daz1970:
However when they reach 35 hours their DCPC DQC card will be held back until they exchange old-style paper licence for new-style photocard & counterpart, when this is done DQC issue will happen automatically.
Didn’t know that…and I did see a recent press release on the JAUPT and I didn’t read that bit though admittedly I did only quickly scan it.
Daz1970:
The only exemption from these rules is when the licence is ‘away’ at DVLA Swansea.
I have a lad turn up with an official DVLA letter (I think it was a D89 letter) stating licence details and is an acceptable form for law enforcement agencies, however we were informed it was insufficient for DCPC purposes, and couldn’t get clarification from the DSA or JAUPT on the matter at the time.
The worry was, if we uploaded and the DVLA knew they had his licence at that time then they’d rule the day invalid.
How does the upload work with those drivers from other EU countries?
I thought the upload would need your UK driver number.
We definitely would send people home if they did not bring the paper part. We make this clear over the phone and in our joining instructions. It is not worth the risk to us as a training company and to be honest, it would not be fair on the driver to sit a course, only for JAUPT to turn up and say their day’s training is null and void.
limeyphil:
How does the upload work with those drivers from other EU countries?
I thought the upload would need your UK driver number.
A form is needed
Roll on 2015
gov.uk/government/news/gove … g-red-tape