After my second cpc I’ve come away more confused than I went in.the trainer didn’t seem able to answer any direct questions and has confused me about weekly rest and WTD amongst other things.i regularly reduce weekly rest by just one or two hours,my understanding was I could pay this back during the following week attached to another 9 hours daily rest, now is that the case or am wrong? And yes you guessed it 30 min break must be taken at six hours work.i don’t know what to think!
Also who provides the work sheets they use? Is it regulated and provided by rtitb?
your correct trainer is wrong on both 
Trickie:
After my second cpc I’ve come away more confused than I went in.the trainer didn’t seem able to answer any direct questions and has confused me about weekly rest and WTD amongst other things.i regularly reduce weekly rest by just one or two hours,my understanding was I could pay this back during the following week attached to another 9 hours daily rest, now is that the case or am wrong? And yes you guessed it 30 min break must be taken at six hours work.i don’t know what to think!
You must have a weekly rest period of at-least 45 consecutive hours every other week, you can pay back the compensation for reduced weekly rest periods by adding the compensation onto any rest period of 9 hours or more.
So as long as you’re having the 45 consecutive hours at-least every second week it sounds like you’re doing it right.
The 30 minute at 6 hours is crap that’s put out by all sorts of people who should know better, the rule is that you should not work more than 6 hours without a break of 15 minutes.
If you have a 15 minute break at or before 6 hours you will need to have at-least another 15 minute break depending on the total length of the working time in the shift.
Trickie:
Also who provides the work sheets they use? Is it regulated and provided by rtitb?
Sorry I’m not sure what you mean, if you mean worksheets used in a DCPC course, it’s the training company who provides any material used in a DCPC course.
If you mean some other kind of worksheet, I’ve no idea 
Yes tachograph I’m mean the work sheets handed out to us on the dcpc course,so the training centre can produce their own? The trainer just basically read the work sheets handed to us for 7 hours and job done! Here’s another one “you must enter you surname first when writing you name on the centre field of a chart”■■
Trickie:
Yes tachograph I’m mean the work sheets handed out to us on the dcpc course,so the training centre can produce their own? The trainer just basically read the work sheets handed to us for 7 hours and job done! Here’s another one “you must enter you surname first when writing you name on the centre field of a chart”■■
That one was written on the entrance to the Ark and has been perpetuated ever since. You can write Jesus Christ or Christ Jesus, you are just not allowed to write J Christ JC or Jeez 
Just can’t see how they got in the position to be training,I was actually looking forward to learning somthing not causing confusion of what I already or thought I already knew!
Trickie:
Just can’t see how they got in the position to be training,I was actually looking forward to learning somthing not causing confusion of what I already or thought I already knew!
I had my third one today. It’s shame that you were not on mine. Great person who knows her stuff and spend as much time as needed to answer any questions clearly.
Who was yours with? I’ve still got three to go.i pretty sure the trainer I had knew very little about drivers hours,couldn’t answer a single question put to him positively.
Trickie. I’ll send you a PM.
For the 100th time. As well as.coming on here complaining and not saying who thet are have you made an official complaint to JAUPT.
Until drivers complain this sort of thing will carry on and on.
Not sticking up for the trainer but JAUPT do not help. If they carry out a spot check we are meant to be at the right place at the right time on our lesson plan. This is O.K with a group of experienced drivers who may only need a refresher but 20 drivers with little experience will ask a lot more questions.
I will spend time answering questions but there comes a time where you have to move on but you do not move on if someone is stuck as that can ruin the rest of the session.
If you do feel it was that bad complain to the right people as it should be sorted
I would be happier with the DCPC if the trainers were haulage professionals.A few of them seem to be fresh out of university with not much industry knowledge.
Trickie:
Yes tachograph I’m mean the work sheets handed out to us on the dcpc course,so the training centre can produce their own?
Yes Trickie, the training centre can make and provide their own worksheets, but some of them are that clueless that they buy (at ridiculous expense) a pre-made DCPC ‘package.’ Sometimes, this is because they haven’t the time, or don’t know how, to write a course and get it approved.
I’ll swiftly add that this is perfectly within the present rules.
Trickie:
The trainer just basically read the work sheets handed to us for 7 hours and job done!
This ‘newsreader’ style of teaching is usually unacceptable to most of the awarding/regulatory bodies, so I’d suggest that you contact JAUPT to ask whether they reckon it’s OK for your course to have been taught in that way.
As already mentioned by LDC, it’s all very well you coming on here and mentioning what happened, but nothing will change unless drivers (you) cause it to change.
If you paid with your own money, would you accept such shoddy work in anything else that you buy 
Trickie:
Here’s another one “you must enter you surname first when writing you name on the centre field of a chart”■■
Malc has got that one nicely covered, there’s nothing I could add. 
as we were told yesterday, there are companies just buying pre-written courses on line for any where form £500 to £1000 just registering them with jaupt for £200 and then charging you X amount per person it don’t take to long to make their money back, but giving you very little in return in the way accurate facts.
I am lucky the guy that takes our course was awarded an MBE for services to the transport industry, and does a lot of work for RHA and government bodies across Europe so to be honest there ain’t much if anything he doesn’t know if you ask him a question,
some of the horror stories he has told us about training that’s going on, I do wonder how they get away with it
just put a search in google for “Eddie harper” and you will see how well respected this guy is
I’ve still got 21 hours left,could anyone recommend a good training provider? I’m based in Macclesfield.
Trickie:
I’ve still got 21 hours left,could anyone recommend a good training provider? I’m based in Macclesfield.
I’m probably going to get some criticism for saying this, but if you’re looking for classroom based training I would go for the cheapest courses you can find regardless of the quality.
The simple fact is that with very few exceptions anything that’s taught in a classroom can be learned on the Internet for free.
There may be a few exceptions to this, but generally if you really want to learn something you’re better off doing it in your own time and for free.
DCPC trainers are limited in the time they can spend on a particular question, and as has been shown endless times on these forums you don’t know if you’re getting good information, whereas on the Internet you can check and double check anything you’re not sure of.
Ignore the nonsense trainers talk about quality training, the fact is that unless the course has a very limited syllabus you probably won’t remember half of what’s taught in a single day anyway.
The DCPC is nothing more than a money making exercise anyway, so why play into their hands by paying more than you have to, treat it as a box ticking exercise and spend as little as you can.
Tachograph,I’ve actually been doing exactly what you just said(use the cheapest training providers and research the net) just blags my head abit when they tell you somthing completely different to what I already knew!
Trickie:
Tachograph,I’ve actually been doing exactly what you just said(use the cheapest training providers and research the net) just blags my head abit when they tell you somthing completely different to what I already knew!
You tend to get what you pay for…
If you want and pay for cheap, then you get cheap… cheap means, errr… cheap (in all senses of the word.)
I won’t knock tachograph for his suggestion, it’s a perfectly legitimate choice IMHO.
Reading this thread again just showing it up for what it is…crap ! tax on drivers.
Trickie:
After my second cpc I’ve come away more confused than I went in.the trainer didn’t seem able to answer any direct questions and has confused me about weekly rest and WTD amongst other things.i regularly reduce weekly rest by just one or two hours,my understanding was I could pay this back during the following week attached to another 9 hours daily rest, now is that the case or am wrong? And yes you guessed it 30 min break must be taken at six hours work.i don’t know what to think!
Ours want to keep those wheels moving for every second of the day,so when he said you need a 30 min instead of a 15 I just had a sly grin and didn’t say a word. 