sixaxles:
Own Account Driver:
motionlotion:
Own Account Driver:
Great a weekend wheeltapper from the Territorial VOSA at work.
If someone made the same enquiry to me I’d refuse to give them the number and call them a richard head - I’m often complimented on my customer service. 
Quite wrong on that one, im far from a weekend wheeltapper or Territorial Vosa. I simply listed a car for delivery and asked if we accepted his bid would he furnish us with o-licence number, Exactly the same as if i approached lkw walters, before they would supply me work they would require my o-licence number etc etc, In fact i have never approached a company for work and not been asked for those details. From your comments am i right in assuming your a Self employed driver and not an owner driver 
At least you’re not denying you’re a richard head, I suppose.
i’d love to know why your saying this mr own account driver, because someone wants the job done right they’re a nob head?? if it were my car i’d probably want the same as in the event of an insurance claim, insurance companies can find alsorts of reasons not to pay up, believe me i know from experience!!
I’ve never bid for work on an online auction type site but in the normal course of things I have never had a potential customer question whether we are legit or not and neither have I ever asked it of anyone I’ve used. The OP is clearly not solely motivated by ensuring his vehicle is moved in the safest way but is getting off on playing voluntary VOSA.
Where do you stop? Start trawling the streets for out of date tax discs or knocking up the neighbour demanding to see their TV licence. There are well paid folk out there whose job these things are. If someone’s running bent let them crack on and they’ll come unstuck eventually, they always do. The OP could just use another provider that’s happy to furnish it and move on instead of delivering sanctimonious lectures and threatening to grass them up to the auction site and the authorities.
mucker85:
It’s cheaper to get a cowboy with an overloaded 3.5 tonner to carry it there for peanuts… Until it goes wrong.
For a £4k motor is it worth using anyone else?
If it weighs too much to go on a 3.5t transit legit any other option, other than a trade-plater, like a 7.5 tonner or a 3.5ton trailer behind a 4x4 or 3.5t van is going to need an o-licence.
If the OP wants another thing to interrogate any poor sap trying to scrape a living on there if they’re pulling a 3.5t trailer with a 3.5t van or 4x4 they’ll need a tachograph fitted too, when they arrive he could take the opportunity to stick his head in the door jamb and make sure its calibration is up to date, got to keep a lid on these fly-by-nights.
Dar are you the DAR 76 on the site who nicked the jeep for 2 weeks that should of took 90 mins lol
I’m with the OP. I wouldn’t want my car impounded by association, could be difficult to get it back.
if u tell buyer u will give them a 100 back they might just jump at it
motionlotion:
lol, explain that to the guy who has just paid 4k for it lol.
nedflanders:
Make the car break down and he wont need a operators licence then as far as I know 
if u tell buyer u will give them a 100 back they might just jump at it
motionlotion:
lol, explain that to the guy who has just paid 4k for it lol.
nedflanders:
Make the car break down and he wont need a operators licence then as far as I know
nickyboy:
Is the car a runner? If so why not get the train and drive it home?
+100 on this or else get buyer to meet you half way
When selling anything large you should always stipulate that the buyer collects.
So he must be paying you a good wedge to transport it over 500 miles?
Or are you doing it for nothing?
Stan
dar1976:
discoman:
Dar are you the DAR 76 on the site who nicked the jeep for 2 weeks that should of took 90 mins lol
Allegedly… Yes lol
lol, I thought it was allegedly you what with you delivering cars lol, still at it?
Yes although I have some weekend work lined up for a haulier local to me. Went for H&S induction this morning.
grasshopper0151 (5) wrote on 19/05 at 10:12 am
NOT TODAY IM AT HOME…ITS NOT THE KIND OF THING WE NORMALLY GET ASKED FOR TO BE HONEST WITH YOU AS WE DONT RUN THESE TRUCKS WITH OPERATORS LICENCE’S AS THEY DO NOT REQUIRE THEM…THE OPERATORS LICENCE WE HAVE IS FOR TRUCKS WE USED TO RUN IN EUROPEReport
rob1 (0) wrote on 19/05 at 12:18 pm
Grasshopper. I am a bit confused as to your response. But from it and your own admission that you do not require an operators licence is a bit worrying. 1/ you offered to transport my car on your 7.5 ton Mercedes with a spec lift. The law states that if you use a vehicle in excess of 3.5 ton for hire and reward then a current operators licence must be in force. Your comment that the o-licence you have is to run vehicles in Europe is Rather a strange one. To clarify for a 7.5 ton vehicle you would require a National o-licence, to operate on international work you would requre both a National/International o-licence. National licences are a Blue disc, international discs are blue. The question that arises here to me as the customer is…If you were stopped be Vosa would you say you were recovering the vehicle which is untrue, or would you say you were delivering it for hire and reward which is the truth. They would then impound the vehicle as no o-licence is in force. If thi happened it would cause me problems in getting my vehicle back and added costs. Regards Rob.Report
rob1 (0) wrote on 19/05 at 12:19 pm
I don’t know if I have just read this wrong but he would need the ‘‘minimum’’ of an national O licence. If he had a international O licence he can add any truck type to it. An international O licence allows you to do international work not limits you to it. You would normally have either one ore the other not both as the international trumps the national.
Some people on here make me laugh. Drivers correctly moan wages are poor, then when a fellow driver highlights a potentially ilegal operator they slag the op off.
Drivers moan about poles bringing wages down but defend this bloke as “trying to make a living”.
Why should he be allowed to operate without potentially having correct insurance, paying for an o licence, probably will not pay for dcpc, not paid for CPC, not trained on the equipment used etc etc
But lets not let all that get in the way of slaging off a fellow legit driver 
Unfortunately the recovery /car transport rules are an absolute minefield. Drive it on the back its transport but drop the battery winch it on the back its recovery.
I do sometimes get work off Shiply, mostly when coming back from Scotch, the rates are really crap, so in the last 3 years I’ve only done about 10 jobs, it’s true there are so many cowboys on there, although, Eamon (Boeing 747) I know personally and is a top man with all the legal stuff in place, as I do.
the Saab 93 will go on a 3.5 ton vehicle easy as it weighs in @1430kg.
while towing a trailer needs an O Licence, pulling one with a double cab 4x4 or Land Rover does not, as it’s classed as a dual purpose vehicle, but they all need a tacho.
I may be corrected here, but i was of the understanding that any vehicle which towed a trailer for hire and reward required an o-licence. There are exemptions as long as its not classed as above.
I also found Boeing 747 to be a very nice guy and one who operates within the law.
Must not say to much though or someone will be along calling us Territorial Vosa. Then carry on to make silly comments like wait till they turn up with a trailer and pop your hea in to check it has a calibrated Tacho. Why is this remark so stupid ■■ Well once you book a Job on Shiply they take a deposit straight away, so imagine trying to get that back from a site with no intrest in the legalities as long as there deposits keep rolling in. So in short his brilliant idea is to pay the deposit then when a unlicensed operator turns up, send him away, Brilliant.
No i may be a Richard Head but i do believe that prevention is beeter than cure.
Dieseldog66:
I do sometimes get work off Shiply, mostly when coming back from Scotch, the rates are really crap, so in the last 3 years I’ve only done about 10 jobs, it’s true there are so many cowboys on there, although, Eamon (Boeing 747) I know personally and is a top man with all the legal stuff in place, as I do.
the Saab 93 will go on a 3.5 ton vehicle easy as it weighs in @1430kg.
while towing a trailer needs an O Licence, pulling one with a double cab 4x4 or Land Rover does not, as it’s classed as a dual purpose vehicle, but they all need a tacho.
Not that I want to encourage you but I would read it that most require an o-licence for towing valid exemptions would be the obvious one of yhe whole combination weighing under 3.5t. The other, it sounds like some are relying on, is the dual purpose vehicle exemption this is on the basis of the vehicle having transverse rear passenger seats.
However, the information that VOSA have provided is misleading because they cite Land Rovers 4x4s and double cab pick-ups as being examples of dual-purpose. The problem is there aren’t really any Land Rovers or 4x4 passenger cars with an unladen weight of under 2040kg which is also a stipulation of the dual-purpose exemption so it is an unclear grey area as to the validity of the exemption. Ultimately a court would have decide if they were guilty of operating without an o-licence, theroretically it would seem an absolute ruling, either the vehicle is under 2040kg unladen or it’s not, but the fact there was clearly an intent to make some vehicles exempt, yet in reality the badly framed legislation means the weight restriction prevents any exemption, and there is guidance issued by VOSA, specifically mentioning Land Rovers would be strong mitigating factors.
Double cab pick-ups can get under 2040kg unladen and often have the gross train weight to tow 3.5t but the manufacturer’s rated tow capacity is rarely over 2.7t so they have their own issues too.
The bottom line is in this sector running legal does not necessarily equate to being the safest option for moving something A-B. That site has got public feedback that would seem a far better indication of whether anything will likely go wrong or not.
Personally, I would avoid anyone operating a lorry without an o-licence, there is real likelihood of impounding issues, that’s fine, delivering them a sanctimonious lecture, threatening to grass them up and posting the exchange on a forum, hoping for rapturous approval of how clever you’ve been, is a different matter…
Personally, I would avoid anyone operating a lorry without an o-licence, there is real likelihood of impounding issues, that’s fine, delivering them a sanctimonious lecture, threatening to grass them up and posting the exchange on a forum, hoping for rapturous approval of how clever you’ve been, is a different matter…
Nobody is is looking for approval. Also having operated vehicles for a very long time, competing with other operators was hard enough, without the cowboys who operate outside the law. You may well find this acceptable but i certainly do not. Operate legaly or dont operate simple. Yes i exposed them on here. Its not a matter of being clever, this site is for haulage related chat, this is haulage related. To be honest the views of a self empolyed driver really do not intrest me.
motionlotion:
Personally, I would avoid anyone operating a lorry without an o-licence, there is real likelihood of impounding issues, that’s fine, delivering them a sanctimonious lecture, threatening to grass them up and posting the exchange on a forum, hoping for rapturous approval of how clever you’ve been, is a different matter…
Nobody is is looking for approval. Also having operated vehicles for a very long time, competing with other operators was hard enough, without the cowboys who operate outside the law. You may well find this acceptable but i certainly do not. Operate legaly or dont operate simple. Yes i exposed them on here. Its not a matter of being clever, this site is for haulage related chat, this is haulage related. To be honest the views of a self empolyed driver really do not intrest me.
Who’s a self-employed driver?
Why post it then?
This situation on sites like that is customer driven. If they can’t get it moved for the price they want they’ll either go on the train or not bother with the sale at all. These are not potential customers for a serious hire and reward operator and personally I wouldn’t want them either. If you wanted a legal and professional outfit you should have gone by recommendation or approached established operators it’s like buying something dirt cheap off ebay and finding it’s fake, then having a lengthy, and pointless willy-waving contest with the seller, posting it on a forum and reporting them to trading standards, why bother?
Long distance clara:
Some people on here make me laugh. Drivers correctly moan wages are poor, then when a fellow driver highlights a potentially ilegal operator they slag the op off.
Drivers moan about poles bringing wages down but defend this bloke as “trying to make a living”.
Why should he be allowed to operate without potentially having correct insurance, paying for an o licence, probably will not pay for dcpc, not paid for CPC, not trained on the equipment used etc etc
But lets not let all that get in the way of slaging off a fellow legit driver
There’s one group of cowboys that need clamping down on. There’s a bunch of unqualified people out there taking money off lorry drivers in return for so-called training.