Dear Franglais, i sense a new almost violent desperation in you old bean, it feels like the vaccine (it isn’t) rhetoric been stepped up to the next level of hysteria, are refuseniks now assumed to be some form of grim reaper literally scything all the decent cap doffing obedient serf classes before them as they spread their uncontrolled disease of instant death.
Should we be locked away for the greater good, our children taken into the caring arms of the state and injected for their own good for a disease which doesn’t harm them anyway, our homes and all our worldly goods forfeit to be disinfected and handed over without favour to more deserving people with the correct thoughts or who tick the right boxes, shall we not bother with the yellow star this time around, dissidents who don’t and won’t bear the mark of the beast rounded up by uniformed goons after being pointed out and jeered at by the baying mob then sent via cattle truck to re-education gulags for the greater good? sounds the sort of solution only real socialists, national or otherwise, would come up with.
robroy:
But surely assuming that the vaccine is nothing more than that…ie,.a vaccine like any other, to counteract against a condition, it will be like a subsidy to work along side a developing natural immune system.
This immunity will never build up unless all this ■■■■■■■■ is put to rest.
As I’ve said all along, those who want to hide behind the sofa in a tin foil helmet (and a surgical mask ) crack on, those who want to take the chance among it all, vaccines or otherwise, fill their boots.
All this [zb] can not go on much longer as the economy will be totally knackered.
Yes, it is a vaccine. Developed with new tools but a vaccine none the less. No need to “assume” it is, because it is.
“Built up immunity” hasnt worked well with generations of people suffering from, polio, rubella, small-pox, etc. Expecting some natural immunity is.....clutching at straws. "those who want to take the chance among it all, vaccines or otherwise, fill their boots." and put those around them at risk? Since "Typhoid Mary Mallon" had a desire to be a cook and earn money should she have been left alone to get on with it? What a nasty money grabbing attitude to have. (I find it hard to believe you really are thinking this through, are you really that nasty and selfish?) Sure the share holders sitting in isolated country estates want us to "protect the economy" but they dont have to use public transport to get to work, and then go home to care for relatives. I expect Murdoch and Martin are happy to have you stand up for them though.
I was playing devil’s advocate about the nature and credibility of the vaccine, I keep an open mind on EVERYTHiNG in this world that I am told, I’ve taken on board what those on here have said about it being this that and the other, and I do not share their views…maybe a bit of hopeful/wishful thinking on my part… who knows/cares?
Not sure you can compare this flu like condition (whether you like it or not, that is what it is, albeit erring on the more serious side) with the likes of polio, smallpox and typhoid and the like, although no offence but you do come across on here as the type to actually believe that… because ‘‘They’’ have told you so.
Ain’t got a scooby nor any interest who tf Mary Mallon is btw, but I’m sure you are using her as some kind of over dramatic example as usual.
Maybe I ain’t ‘‘thinking this through’’ to the depths that you evidently are, I just react to, and have an opinion on what I see…so I’m neither nasty OR selfish me old mate.
If this vaccine is doing little to protect as you suggest (I think) wtf is the point of it?
Just to clarify, I’m not an “antivaxer”, nor do I believe that Bill Gates has filled the vaccine with a microchip… I’m happy to get the vaccine when it is my turn, just like I had various other vaccines throughout my life.
What I do not like, is the hysteria, that the masses are subscribing to, and the slow creep towards a totalitarian system. Laugh if you want, but would you have believed it, if I predicted 2 years ago, that our government would put us under house arrest, and that you would have to carry a special I.D. card to go to the shop or the pub? No, dont think so.
What I’m most concerned about, is the polarization of opinion, and how the masses are blindly, and willingly, following the authorities narrative. History, is again repeating itself (and no, I’m not just referring to the 1930’s, although they are the most recent example). We see this “you’re either with us, or against us” attitude everywhere, most worrying in universities where the vocal left are shouting down and demonising everybody who doesn’t agree with them. This is now becoming more evident in the media, and the governments rhetoric. Remember “dont kill granny”? It was a (admittedly very ham fisted… ) attempt to shame people into compliance with the lock down rules…
It’s a slippery slope, and I fear that the masses are by now too fully invested in it…
robroy:
But surely assuming that the vaccine is nothing more than that…ie,.a vaccine like any other, to counteract against a condition, it will be like a subsidy to work along side a developing natural immune system.
This immunity will never build up unless all this ■■■■■■■■ is put to rest.
As I’ve said all along, those who want to hide behind the sofa in a tin foil helmet (and a surgical mask ) crack on, those who want to take the chance among it all, vaccines or otherwise, fill their boots.
All this [zb] can not go on much longer as the economy will be totally knackered.
Yes, it is a vaccine. Developed with new tools but a vaccine none the less. No need to “assume” it is, because it is.
“Built up immunity” hasnt worked well with generations of people suffering from, polio, rubella, small-pox, etc. Expecting some natural immunity is.....clutching at straws. "those who want to take the chance among it all, vaccines or otherwise, fill their boots." and put those around them at risk? Since "Typhoid Mary Mallon" had a desire to be a cook and earn money should she have been left alone to get on with it? What a nasty money grabbing attitude to have. (I find it hard to believe you really are thinking this through, are you really that nasty and selfish?) Sure the share holders sitting in isolated country estates want us to "protect the economy" but they dont have to use public transport to get to work, and then go home to care for relatives. I expect Murdoch and Martin are happy to have you stand up for them though.
I was playing devil’s advocate about the nature and credibility of the vaccine, I keep an open mind on EVERYTHiNG in this world that I am told, I’ve taken on board what those on here have said about it being this that and the other, and I do not share their views…maybe a bit of hopeful/wishful thinking on my part… who knows/cares?
Not sure you can compare this flu like condition (whether you like it or not, that is what it is, albeit erring on the more serious side) with the likes of polio, smallpox and typhoid and the like, although no offence but you do come across on here as the type to actually believe that… because ‘‘They’’ have told you so.
Ain’t got a scooby nor any interest who tf Mary Mallon is btw, but I’m sure you are using her as some kind of over dramatic example as usual.
Maybe I ain’t ‘‘thinking this through’’ to the depths that you evidently are, I just react to, and have an opinion on what I see…so I’m neither nasty OR selfish me old mate.
If this vaccine is doing little to protect as you suggest (I think) wtf is the point of it?
Mary Mallon was an Irish born cook who worked in the USA.
She was an asymptomatic carrier of typhoid fever. Although she was told she was a carrier she carried on working as a cook.
Yes, she “took her chances, and filled her boots”, and infected 53 people. Melodramatic?
Where did I or anyone say the vaccine is doing little as a protection?
I certainly said it isnt 100% effective. That doesnt mean it is zero% effective.
Ahh so I was right, another Franglais example to make a point, this time in the form of a history lesson rather than a copy of some link to an item in The Guardian or something similar and equally as tedious.
As I said comparing typhoid with Covid?..Seriously?
A bit over dramatic mate even for you.
It was an implication from you that the vaccine was doing little as protection,…as I said if I have had the vaccine and others have had it, how can it be spread, the only ones susceptible (as I said) are those who refuse to have it, so why tf should I care about them if they ain’t bothered themselves…not my job to look out for them, whilst trying to live a life of normality.
robroy:
Ahh so I was right, another Franglais example to make a point, this time in the form of a history lesson rather than a copy of some link to an item in The Guardian or something similar and equally as tedious.
As I said comparing typhoid with Covid?..Seriously?
A bit over dramatic mate even for you.
It was an implication from you that the vaccine was doing little as protection,…as I said if I have had the vaccine and others have had it, how can it be spread, the only ones susceptible (as I said) are those who refuse to have it, so why tf should I care about them if they ain’t bothered themselves…not my job to look out for them, whilst trying to live a life of normality.
Excuse me a minute please…my forehead has a date with with a brick wall…
Juddian:
Dear Franglais, i sense a new almost violent desperation in you old bean, it feels like the vaccine (it isn’t) rhetoric been stepped up to the next level of hysteria, are refuseniks now assumed to be some form of grim reaper literally scything all the decent cap doffing obedient serf classes before them as they spread their uncontrolled disease of instant death.
Should we be locked away for the greater good, our children taken into the caring arms of the state and injected for their own good for a disease which doesn’t harm them anyway, our homes and all our worldly goods forfeit to be disinfected and handed over without favour to more deserving people with the correct thoughts or who tick the right boxes, shall we not bother with the yellow star this time around, dissidents who don’t and won’t bear the mark of the beast rounded up by uniformed goons after being pointed out and jeered at by the baying mob then sent via cattle truck to re-education gulags for the greater good? sounds the sort of solution only real socialists, national or otherwise, would come up with.
They would like nothing more than to see all us “conspiracy theorist anti-vaxxers” rounded up, sectioned under The Mental Health Act and carted off to a containment facility so that we don’t spread “the deadly virus”. Most are not brave enough to say it but that’s what they are thinking.
The “vaccines” weren’t created for the “virus”. The “virus” was created for the “vaccines”. Once people get their heads around that it all becomes clear. Sadly, most of the population have been dumbed down from watching endless television programming fear ■■■■ all their lives and won’t be able to figure this out so best just tell them to go get their jabs and nature will take its course over the next few years. Sit back and grab some popcorn.
Juddian:
Dear Franglais, i sense a new almost violent desperation in you old bean, it feels like the vaccine (it isn’t) rhetoric been stepped up to the next level of hysteria, are refuseniks now assumed to be some form of grim reaper literally scything all the decent cap doffing obedient serf classes before them as they spread their uncontrolled disease of instant death.
Should we be locked away for the greater good, our children taken into the caring arms of the state and injected for their own good for a disease which doesn’t harm them anyway, our homes and all our worldly goods forfeit to be disinfected and handed over without favour to more deserving people with the correct thoughts or who tick the right boxes, shall we not bother with the yellow star this time around, dissidents who don’t and won’t bear the mark of the beast rounded up by uniformed goons after being pointed out and jeered at by the baying mob then sent via cattle truck to re-education gulags for the greater good? sounds the sort of solution only real socialists, national or otherwise, would come up with.
They would like nothing more than to see all us “conspiracy theorist anti-vaxxers” rounded up, sectioned under The Mental Health Act and carted off to a containment facility so that we don’t spread “the deadly virus”. Most are not brave enough to say it but that’s what they are thinking.
The “vaccines” weren’t created for the “virus”. The “virus” was created for the “vaccines”. Once people get their heads around that it all becomes clear. Sadly, most of the population have been dumbed down from watching endless television programming fear ■■■■ all their lives and won’t be able to figure this out so best just tell them to go get their jabs and nature will take its course over the next few years. Sit back and grab some popcorn.
Yeh?
Well speaking as somebody who has had the jab and is of a contrary opinion on most of this stuff, to you '‘conspiracy theorist anti vaxers’ (your words not mine) I have no desire to see anytthing derogatory happen to you, if I’m honest bordering on brutal, I couldn’t really give a flying ,one tbh…it just happens that you have differing opinions to me,on a subject, that is all…nothing more nothing less from my pov.
Perhaps you are crediting your opinions with a bit too much importance…just saying like.
My post was in response to Juddian, not you. But as you’re here, for someone who claims not to care about it in the slightest, you’re spending an awful lot of time in the covid threads talking about it and responding to posts that you apparently don’t care about.
“I have no desire to see anytthing derogatory happen to you”
Yet… I predict that will change later this year when the government/msm rhetoric moves to “Virus-spreading anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorists delay the re-opening a further 12 months, causing millions of vaccinated to have to cancel their holidays”. Which is, of course, what will be coming. The “behavioural scientists” plan to create a two-tier divided society where the vaxxed turn on the non-vaxxed for “denying them their freedom” resulting in mass unrest, violence and blood on the streets. This will be the precursor to the next round of headlines “Should the anti-vaxxer virus-spreaders be arrested for endangering public health and be taken to secure containment facilities?” which the baying mobs will vote for unanimously, as payback for being “denied their freedoms”.
DCPCFML:
My post was in response to Juddian, not you. But as you’re here, for someone who claims not to care about it in the slightest, you’re spending an awful lot of time in the covid threads talking about it and responding to posts that you apparently don’t care about.
“I have no desire to see anytthing derogatory happen to you”
Yet… I predict that will change later this year when the government/msm rhetoric moves to “Virus-spreading anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorists delay the re-opening a further 12 months, causing millions of vaccinated to have to cancel their holidays”. Which is, of course, what will be coming. The “behavioural scientists” plan to create a two-tier divided society where the vaxxed turn on the non-vaxxed for “denying them their freedom” resulting in mass unrest, violence and blood on the streets. This will be the precursor to the next round of headlines “Should the anti-vaxxer virus-spreaders be arrested for endangering public health and be taken to secure containment facilities?” which the baying mobs will vote for unanimously, as payback for being “denied their freedoms”.
Hmmm not sure I’ve ever said that…‘‘I don’t care about it in the slightest’’, tbh , I’ve cared enough to get the vaccine,.and that is one of the things we don’t agree on.
Sorry if my contrary opinions offend or annoy, that is where we differ, as I find some of yours on this quite bizarre, , but it would be a boring forum if we all agreed on everything.
What I know I have said is that I’m ■■■■■■ off with hearing about it in the media and on the street, and all the jargon and b/s that goes with it, rules and regs etc (no doubt you’ll.say that is part of 'their ’ plan, but there you go)
Anyway irresspective of that , it does not stop me from commenting on it on a forum.
As for your predictions, we’ll just have to wait and see, but as you may also have predicted, I do find them a bit ott and outlandish.
robroy:
Hmmm not sure I’ve ever said that…‘‘I don’t care about it in the slightest’’, tbh
I’m referring to your claims not to care in the slightest what other people think, not covid/“vaccines”. You make these posts on a frequent basis yet keep coming back to add some more, despite claiming that you don’t care . If you didn’t care then you wouldn’t even be reading them, let alone wasting your valuable time replying to them. I think it’s pretty clear you do care a lot what other people think, contrary to the internet bravado stating otherwise . Now is the point where you reply to tell me “I don’t give a [zb] what you think”, thus proving my theory correct. “You can think what you like”. “End of!”
Franglais:
If the anti vaxers arent frightened of dropping dead when Bill Gates hits his big red button, or some other fear why are they against the jab? If it isnt fear of that or being turned into radio controlled zombies or whatever what is the issue? Or course it is fear, fear of summat new, but they frightened to say so out loud. You may describe it as their “theory of a hidden agenda” or whatever, but fear is what it is. They are frightened of a “hidden agenda”.
And there’s the problem right there ^^^. Anyone who hasn’t willingly been vaccinated “must” be a conspiracy theorist or scared of the unknown. The fact that among many other reasons the simple fact that like a horse who’s been led to water and doesn’t want to drink some people are balking at having the vaccination simply because they don’t want to be coerced into something and are balking at it simply doesn’t enter your mind.
You pride yourself on “being a free thinker” a man who “studies all the information before making a balanced decision “, wherein reality you’re not. You’ve been subjected to a constant bombardment of “data”, some of which is quite frankly questionable, but like all good propaganda campaigns (and this is one of the single most effective ever carried out) you believe that anyone not conforming must be a fruitloop. You’ve been conditioned over the last year to think that and I don’t blame you actually, it’s extremely pervasive.
You constantly tell us here that the Government are liars over this or that but then go on to swallow every single thing they say re C19. You’ll counter with “yes but it’s all governments globally telling us this” and you’ll be right in that. So is it some sort of global conspiracy? I don’t for one minute believe that, but I do believe that there are lots of “free thinkers” in governments worldwide who genuinely believe that what they are doing is for the best, that they’re saving the world etc.
Karl Marx once said “remove one freedom per generation and they’ll not notice. Until eventually all freedoms have been removed “.
To sum up; I’m not frightened to take the vaccine. I don’t believe it’s full of nanites/ trackers or whatever. I simply don’t agree with being subtly coerced into anything.
As been already said vaccinations have been around for years, I remember when as kids at school it was routine each individual pupil in the class had a jab or a sugar lump with something in it. Too old to remember what they where all for, but whatever it was the vast majority never got it. Unlike now there was none of the hysteria created by the few who are prepared to spread the virus onto others for fear of having possible side effects, or possibly dying mainly from any underlying health issues that they are totally unaware of but put the blame on the vaccine.
Jabbed twice and now do the "quick test"at home,as I don`t want it on my conscience that I may have given the virus to my Family & Friends and anybody else even anti-vaxers although they might deserve to get ill for their paranoia
robroy:
Hmmm not sure I’ve ever said that…‘‘I don’t care about it in the slightest’’, tbh
I’m referring to your claims not to care in the slightest what other people think, not covid/“vaccines”. You make these posts on a frequent basis yet keep coming back to add some more, despite claiming that you don’t care . If you didn’t care then you wouldn’t even be reading them, let alone wasting your valuable time replying to them. I think it’s pretty clear you do care a lot what other people think, contrary to the internet bravado stating otherwise . Now is the point where you reply to tell me “I don’t give a [zb] what you think”, thus proving my theory correct. “You can think what you like”. “End of!”
It’s called ‘‘keeping a balance’’… in the interests of debate , …
Me ‘not caring what people think’ is in context, I don’t care what people think in the context of it not ‘‘bothering’’ me, water of a ducks back etc, not in the context of responding to an opposing view in discussion on a public forum
Perhaps you would prefer it if those who did not share your views just left you to it, to carry on giving your views (and predictions) in non interfering free flow?..
Still at least we seem to be making progress, at least this time you gave somebody ( me) a chance to explain themselves …better than just blindly and casually just writing off everybody (including me again),who does not agree with you as being stupid, but you have already stated you understand the concept of internet bravado, so you’ll know exactly what I mean.
This is where I predict your answer to me, but I think I’ve already covered that one (stupidity etc) …or if you prefer you could just ignore me instead of ‘wasting your valuable time replying’’ to me… end of.
lolipop:
As been already said vaccinations have been around for years, I remember when as kids at school it was routine each individual pupil in the class had a jab or a sugar lump with something in it. Too old to remember what they where all for, but whatever it was the vast majority never got it. Unlike now there was none of the hysteria created by the few who are prepared to spread the virus onto others for fear of having possible side effects, or possibly dying mainly from any underlying health issues that they are totally unaware of but put the blame on the vaccine.
Jabbed twice and now do the "quick test"at home,as I don`t want it on my conscience that I may have given the virus to my Family & Friends and anybody else even anti-vaxers although they might deserve to get ill for their paranoia
What you’ve taken isn’t a vaccine, it’s experimental and licenced only for use in emergencies and years off the long term trials being completed, entirely different to real vaccines and will make permanent alterations to how and why your body responds to infections.
What you took at school and those proved and licenced for general use vaccines you might take for visiting some other countries, were tested over many years before approval was granted.
You are part of an experiment, which is fine so long you know that.
Was there a form to sign before you accepted this treatment, did you read the small print?
Good luck to all of us we’re going to need it before the evil now running and ruling world have finished with us, i don’t wish ill harm on you nor anyone else even you think those of us who don’t wish to be part of this grand experiment should come to harm, to teach us a lesson?, you’re hardly alone is wishing us refuseniks ill will but might be an idea to take a look at yourself and wonder just how far you might go when the fear ■■■■ is turned to full volume and you’re pointed at those who won’t take part to take some form of revenge on…fairly obvious the lockdowns will continue or be re-instated this winter and the ministry of truth blame those who won’t do as they are told…will you behave as some propagandised people in the 30’s did when the Jews were made public enemy number one in central europe, just how far will you go.
DCPCFML:
The “vaccines” weren’t created for the “virus”. The “virus” was created for the “vaccines”. Once people get their heads around that it all becomes clear.
I wouldn’t deny anyone their right to have their own opinion, even when it is diametrically opposed to my own, but what you have written above is quite simply not true.
I did for a number of years work as a research scientist in the field of immunology (believe it or not you can earn more as a truck driver than as a post-doctoral research scientist at a top UK university) and one of my former colleagues from those days, who unlike me chose to remain in science, has over these past 18 months been heavily involved in the bioinformatics side of the development of the vaccine.
OK. Cool. Please take all your jabs as advised by your research scientist immunologist colleague. Covid booster jab coming this fall too, don’t miss it. As both Hancock and Whitty have demonstrated time and time again, the scientists know best. Just follow the science!
DCPCFML:
OK. Cool. Please take all your jabs as advised by your research scientist immunologist colleague. Covid booster jab coming this fall too, don’t miss it. As both Hancock and Whitty have demonstrated time and time again, the scientists know best. Just follow the science!
Excellent advice, just all do individually what each individual feels is right for them.
Those who want to take the vaccines take them, those who don’t…don’t.
Job sorted.
Just been watching an interesting doc on Channel 4,.watch it on the on demand anybody mildly interested.
I’m fairly certain this will have already been mentioned, (so apoligies if so,) but this anti vax thing is a very lucrative excercise for some with vested interests.,
Particularly for a Brit in the US, a struck off doctor called Andrew Wakefield, who was the main mouthpiece for condemning MMR vaccinations in the 90s, as well as condemning things like polio vaccinations.
He lives in a beach mansion house with Elle McPherson off the proceeds of his campaigns, it appears that the Covid situation made all his Christmases come at once.
If that does not once again redress the balance of your point about Hancock, our ex research scientist etc, I don’t know what does.
Interesting viewing, check it out.
) crack on, those who want to take the chance among it all, vaccines or otherwise, fill their boots.
. Now is the point where you reply to tell me “I don’t give a [zb] what you think”, thus proving my theory correct. “You can think what you like”. “End of!” 
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