Covid 19 not good news

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robroy:

Wiretwister:

robroy:

pierrot 14:
Keep going England, keep ignoring the figures, just treat every day as a NORMAL day ■■? :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :unamused: :unamused: :unamused: :unamused:

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I have to return to my original OP,

people serving customers MUST wear a mask. if not, then do as I did , just walk out !

That’s the whole point mate, if you keep filling your head with anything, especially when it’s rammed down your neck every second of the day by ALL aspects of the media, you end up getting transfixed to the point of paranoia.
When I was on 6 wks furlough, I heard nothing else on the BBC and Sky news,.and I was hooked…just read some of my old posts at that time on this on here.
If you took every single thing (which is purely opinion anyway) on board, it could become a life changing obsession with some…as it has.
Way I see it you need to listen to this stuff yes, but at the same time make your own opinions and mix the two.
As I said, there ain’t bodies on the streets, people ain’t walking around like zombies coughing up their guts, as you would think they would be listening to all the ott alarmist stuff, it’s just another flu related condition,.albeit a bit more troublesome than the last few we have had over the years…so that is how I deal with it, hoping I don’t get it, but refusing to let it run (and ruin) my life and life style.

I get what your saying Rob but, if I understand Poirrots point correctly, shouldn’t retail staff provide the same protective measures to their customers as the customers are required to put in place to those staff? Every cashier I’ve used since April has a screen between them & the customer.

Ok, yeh I suppose so, even if in reality masks offer little mutual protection, if it makes the more vulnerable amongst us feel safer, that’s fine with me, although I don’t really like walking around with a face covering if I’m honest.
I don’t think it would make me walk from a pub or a restaurant if the barmaid wasn’t wearing one though,.as I said I think the mask wearing measures are more psychological than actually doing anything, …and especially if she was pleasing on the eye. [emoji38]

I’m more with Pierrot on this.
Don’t matter what she looks like, chatting away with no mask, and so spreading micro droplets all over the pint she is pulling, don’t look too healthy to me.
Unless her arms are over a metre long I can’t see any safe way of doing that.

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:open_mouth: Lighten up man ffs, the last bit was a joke. :unamused:
You’ve just illustrated one of my points on how this constant media blanket coverage is causing people to take all this stuff far too seriously.
It’s going to be with us for a while, yep it’s a genuine entity, but ain’t the end of the ■■■■ world as we know it…yet.

Just to please you and the rest of the doom mongers…(…just had a Brexit deja bu about you Franglais btw, there’s a pattern emerging here. :smiley: )
So I’ll join you.

Yep, we’re all gonna die soon, the end of life as we know it, let’s all build bunkers under the stairs cupboard, and prepare for the worst.
May God have mercy on arse holes. :laughing:
Nearly forgot, it’s all Boris’s fault. :smiley:

Edit;…Latest News on This Morning (Holly looking fit as usual btw)
As if things ain’t bad enough in the country…just been announced that…

Wait for it.

‘‘Steps’’ have reformed. :open_mouth: :open_mouth:

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robroy:
:shock: Lighten up man ffs, the last bit was a joke. :unamused:
You’ve just illustrated one of my points on how this constant media blanket coverage is causing people to take all this stuff far too seriously.
It’s going to be with us for a while, yep it’s a genuine entity, but ain’t the end of the [zb] world as we know it…yet.

Just to please you and the rest of the doom mongers…(…just had a Brexit deja bu about you Franglais btw, there’s a pattern emerging here. :smiley: )
So I’ll join you.

Yep, we’re all gonna die soon, the end of life as we know it, let’s all build bunkers under the stairs cupboard, and prepare for the worst.
May God have mercy on arse holes. [emoji38]
Nearly forgot, it’s all Boris’s fault. :smiley:

Edit;…Latest News on This Morning (Holly looking fit as usual btw)
As if things ain’t bad enough in the country…just been announced that…

Wait for it.

‘‘Steps’’ have reformed. :open_mouth: :open_mouth:

Try MY last line too…
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Just heard the PM
WHAT A JOKE if the intention is to supress the covid infection rise

In 2/3 weeks there will be no change or super little change

2 options
1 - supress virus by closing schools and ruining the economy with all that entails
2 - keep schools open and let the virus do its thing

The graphs clearly show the rise in infections from 1 sept when the schools went back so it does not take a genius to work out that is where the issue is

My wife is an ex elderly persons 40 bed care home manager who worked her way up to that position over 30 years by starting at the bottom
I asked her what she would do if still in that job and by keeping schools open it would mean losing half her residents to the virus
She replied - let it loose and lose 20 residents because the elderly do not want to be in the position they are in right now - they would rather be dead than have little or no ‘life’ - she knows exactly what they think!

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Way I see it whatever measures Boris took/takes he’s going to upset somebody or other.
Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t…no win situation.
From a personal pov that is ■■■■■■■ me off…he’s shutting the pubs at 10 o clock, wtf is that going to achieve, either shut them or keep them open
One hours less drinking time is going to make zero difference to getting Covid or not, I would reckon…and for 6 months including right through Dec Jan?..
Merry Xmas and a Hapoy new year everybody eh? :unamused:

It’s a good reason for me not to do a 15 hour day and park up at 9pm now anyway :sunglasses: …not that I ever needed one. :smiley:

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My wife is an ex elderly persons 40 bed care home manager who worked her way up to that position over 30 years by starting at the bottom
I asked her what she would do if still in that job and by keeping schools open it would mean losing half her residents to the virus
She replied - let it loose and lose 20 residents because the elderly do not want to be in the position they are in right now - they would rather be dead than have little or no ‘life’ - she knows exactly what they think!

Really? How can anybody categorise all elderly people having the same thoughts? That is such a ludicrous and dispicable thing to say. I wonder what all the relatives would think to hear of that?
You have obviously never had a close relative in a care home. :imp: :imp: :imp:

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jakethesnake:

My wife is an ex elderly persons 40 bed care home manager who worked her way up to that position over 30 years by starting at the bottom
I asked her what she would do if still in that job and by keeping schools open it would mean losing half her residents to the virus
She replied - let it loose and lose 20 residents because the elderly do not want to be in the position they are in right now - they would rather be dead than have little or no ‘life’ - she knows exactly what they think!

Really? How can anybody categorise all elderly people having the same thoughts? That is such a ludicrous and dispicable thing to say. I wonder what all the relatives would think to hear of that?
You have obviously never had a close relative in a care home. :imp: :imp: :imp:

My wife is classed as an EXPERT on this so I for one am not going to argue with 30 years of expertise

My grandma and my father were in care homes so your assumption is incorrect

PS - you need to put what I said in your post above into a quote otherwise it looks like you said it

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Maybe you class her as an expert. Others would have a completely different view for certain.

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jakethesnake:
Maybe you class her as an expert. Others would have a completely different view for certain.

Mmmm let me think… who else who that could be applied to? :smiley: :smiley:

Back on topic the majority of elderly people I have spoken think that they should be sheltered but allow the rest of society to continue as best it can, if things continue there will be no money for their care or health and so will be likely to die prematurely anyway.

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Juddian:
Short circuiting safety testing? seriously?

Vaccines take many years, decades even, to develop and test, before anyone thinks of giving them approval, let alone the immunity aspect for those involved in this.
You can’t do fast track because you won’t know, as Thalidomide proved, that long term disastrous effects haven’t been unleashed, and we arn’t talking a few thousand or hundred thousand, we are into the realms of hundred of millions of doses the powers that be have apparently ordered, so the vaccine isn’t far away, possibly repeated annually, just WTF is going on here.

They’ve tried to cure the common cold for generations, and still nowhere near a solution, annual flu vaccines likely to make you more ill than the sodding flu would have done.

Who the hell would want a fast tracked barely tested vaccine dreamed up by modern day Dr Mengeles, given immunity from being held to account, presumably to be administered by Al Johnson’s latest stasi covid marshals if those currently keeping quiet to save their jobs in the medical profession finally decide they can’t be part of this satanic pantomime any more.

And yet folk are being inexorably gaslighted into the idea of bowing down to a vein full of that nice mr and mrs Gates,effacacious,DNA-altering- syringe-full,masquerading as a vaccine,more than likely with added micro-chip goodness,alongside the traditional good-old faves-Beta-Propiolactone,Aluminium,Formaldahyde,Butylphosphate,Mercury,Glutaraldehyde not forgetting trace-elements of aborted baby foetus…(can’t beat a little roughage) all lovingly developed by the spawn of a recently deceased,eugenecist (Bill-Gates snr) with purported Rockefeller ancestry,not forgetting a spouse (Melinda) often seen across the media pulpits,sporting an upside-down cross around it’s neck,(Killary’s partial) in deference to it’s Luciferic overlords.The working title of this ‘vaccine’…LUCIFERASE .Not starting to get a tad suspicious fellas? :open_mouth: The ■■■■ human-race has only one weapon…massive numbers,looking at the mass tampon-clad morons (excluding the unfortunates whose livelihood requires them) suckling from the media-strategical-ambiguity-fests on TV and resolutely refusing to exercise personal sovereignty in any shape or form,well,if this is the state of spinelesness at large with humanity today,bring on Agenda 21.The planet could use a rest from us anyhow.
As we both know Juddian,Dr Vernon Coleman’s the only game in town these days for the real lowdown to this accelerating, evil-PTB-power-grab,camouflaged as a pandemic.

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:open_mouth: Wow !!
:laughing: :laughing:

Come back Winseer, all is forgiven. :laughing:

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Mazzer2:

jakethesnake:
Maybe you class her as an expert. Others would have a completely different view for certain.

Mmmm let me think… who else who that could be applied to? :smiley: :smiley:

Back on topic the majority of elderly people I have spoken think that they should be sheltered but allow the rest of society to continue as best it can, if things continue there will be no money for their care or health and so will be likely to die prematurely anyway.

As an ideal, isolate the elderly and infirm if they so wish.
But who cares for them? Younger people, who may well have families who want a normal social life. A difficult circle to square.
We are all members of one intertwined society.
“A society should be judged by how it treats it’s weakest members”
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jakethesnake:
Maybe you class her as an expert. Others would have a completely different view for certain.

I consider myself…

As ‘others’ and I class her as an expert.

Ooops, wrong again ukjakeytrampysnakey.

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ROG:
Just heard the PM
WHAT A JOKE if the intention is to supress the covid infection rise

In 2/3 weeks there will be no change or super little change

2 options
1 - supress virus by closing schools and ruining the economy with all that entails
2 - keep schools open and let the virus do its thing

The graphs clearly show the rise in infections from 1 sept when the schools went back so it does not take a genius to work out that is where the issue is

My wife is an ex elderly persons 40 bed care home manager who worked her way up to that position over 30 years by starting at the bottom
I asked her what she would do if still in that job and by keeping schools open it would mean losing half her residents to the virus
She replied - let it loose and lose 20 residents because the elderly do not want to be in the position they are in right now - they would rather be dead than have little or no ‘life’ - she knows exactly what they think!

IF there is a clear rise in infections from Sept 1st, then we can be sure it is not due to schools starting again.
After being infected it takes several days before being detectable by current tests. That is why testing once, at point of entry, for travellers is a waste of time.

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Seems obvious that the rising infection rate has been caused by the easing of restrictions.
Closing the pubs an hour early…won’t stop it.

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If, and it’s a big IF the pubs are found to be responsible for the latest spike then closing an hour or so early will not serve any purpose, indeed the opposite I’d suggest; if you concentrate the timespan you surely concentrate the amount and density of customers who by hook or by crook are going to get a beer.

There’s only two options really; either close them all together and accept the financial fallout or perhaps think outside the box and allow them to open 24 hours a day! If there’s no rush to get in that’s a large percentage of the problem dealt with.

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I reckon they’ll shut them again.

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It’s all overhyped nonsense fuelled by the media. The simple answer from the start was keep calm and carry on. Boris had the right idea at the start to go for herd immunity. If you felt vulnerable then stay at home and shield, otherwise business as usual. Sweden has got it right and that will become even more apparent this winter. We are not seeing a second wave at all, just the first one still around after people hid away from it. Spain had the hardest lockdown and are now near the top of the list for new cases. As the winter sets in the new cases will rocket, regardless of any punitive restrictions set by the government whilst Sweden’s cases will fall. The death rate will be nowhere near the doomsday figures spouted the other day. Anybody remember the stark warnings given about swine flu etc that never came about, this would of just been another of those fuss about nothings if handled sensibly

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Night-and-day:
. The simple answer from the start was keep calm and carry on. Boris had the right idea at the start to go for herd immunity. If you felt vulnerable then stay at home and shield, otherwise business as usual.

Got to agree with that, concentrate on those that are susceptible to it, and have underlying health issues, and keep them locked away at home and safe,.at least until some sort of cure is found.

As for suggesting the pubs shut again, it would be the kiss of death for the smaller publicans, they are already on the bones of their arses as it is.

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Night-and-day:
It’s all overhyped nonsense fuelled by the media. The simple answer from the start was keep calm and carry on. Boris had the right idea at the start to go for herd immunity. If you felt vulnerable then stay at home and shield, otherwise business as usual. Sweden has got it right and that will become even more apparent this winter. We are not seeing a second wave at all, just the first one still around after people hid away from it. Spain had the hardest lockdown and are now near the top of the list for new cases. As the winter sets in the new cases will rocket, regardless of any punitive restrictions set by the government whilst Sweden’s cases will fall. The death rate will be nowhere near the doomsday figures spouted the other day. Anybody remember the stark warnings given about swine flu etc that never came about, this would of just been another of those fuss about nothings if handled sensibly

Sweden?
5,860 C19 deaths, from 10.2m pop
Denmark 633 from 5.8m
Finland 339 from 5.5m
Norway 265 from 5.4m

(Sept 15th Statista)
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Warnings about things are there to affect courses of action.
If someone warns you about a hairpin bend, do you keep on at full speed, or slow down?
If you have any sense you’ll slow down and survive. That doesn’t mean the warning was wrong.
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(Maybe the person giving that warning would regret doing so sometimes…)[emoji3]