The DCPC was bought in by a Statutory Instrument (SI) 2007 No. 605.
This enshrined it in UK law.
As a result of this SI, all new drivers of LGVs were required to take and pass the Initial Qualification for the DCPC after 10/9/2009 to be able to drive legally on the road. Clearly this was reduced to periodic training for those with grandfather rights.
So any new driver (who didn’t have grandfather rights), in order to earn a living driving an LGV was required to take and pass the initial qaulification.
Many drivers with grandfather rights say that if drivers had stuck together, then they could have defeated the DCPC. This would have required a two pronged attack. Firstly, there would have to have been the co-operation of every single new driver, to agree to pass their driving test, but then agree to not work in transport until such times as the DCPC was abolished (they wouldn’t be able to work, without doing the initial qual). Secondly all existing drivers would then have to agree to not do any modules of periodic training.
So potentially a 5 year period with no new drivers entering the industry. Could it have been sustained?
I wonder, upon leaving the EU, which is almost guaranteed if we’re given a referendum, would we return to domestic regs ?
BoJo has already stuck his oar in to the EU regs so it’s a possibility I reckon. Tachos might be a problem unless they can be reconfigured somehow to match our regs. Can’t see us migrating back to log books.
can t stopped .but all 35 hours format can be changed.every country have different rulles.but Uk DSA or DVLA TAKED SOME 6 or 7 pound to put hours in sistems.all country or near all simply put this 95 code in driving licence ,but in Uk another card.
my viev CPC requared but simpply every years some 5-7 hours,when drivers can refresh somethink.but now -some drivers taked last month 35 hours.so he can drive next 5 years.and if he taked 35 hours this month he get card till 2024,so next 10 years he can not do nothing
As a result of this SI, all new drivers of LGVs were required to take and pass the Initial Qualification for the DCPC after 10/9/2009 to be able to drive legally on the road. Clearly this was reduced to periodic training for those with grandfather rights.
So any new driver (who didn’t have grandfather rights), in order to earn a living driving an LGV was required to take and pass the initial qaulification.
Many drivers with grandfather rights say that if drivers had stuck together, then they could have defeated the DCPC. This would have required a two pronged attack. Firstly, there would have to have been the co-operation of every single new driver, to agree to pass their driving test, but then agree to not work in transport until such times as the DCPC was abolished (they wouldn’t be able to work, without doing the initial qual). Secondly all existing drivers would then have to agree to not do any modules of periodic training.
So potentially a 5 year period with no new drivers entering the industry. Could it have been sustained?
What do you think?
OK you’ve been banging on about this issue for some weeks now. If you are still failing to see the problem with the bits I’ve specially highlighted and underscored for you above then you are either not a driver yourself or you are deluded beyond comprehension.
What might and still could have an effect is if all the trainers got together and formed one big syndicate so that the Govt could only get one training centre fee and 5 course fees
I wonder, upon leaving the EU, which is almost guaranteed if we’re given a referendum, would we return to domestic regs ?
BoJo has already stuck his oar in to the EU regs so it’s a possibility I reckon. Tachos might be a problem unless they can be reconfigured somehow to match our regs. Can’t see us migrating back to log books.
It’s very unlikely that if we were to leave the EU we’d get rid of tacho regs, we’d simply come under the AETR regs like so many other Countries bordering the EU. We’d also probably still have the DCPC, Norway has it and I assume as they have a card so does Switzerland.
We might lose the WTD directive, not popular with business, maybe the RTD, we also might lose our right to 28 days leave a years.
What new driver would spend 3k getting a licence just too sit on it for 5 years in the hope others would do the same? To save a few quid on extra training that may be benificial to them.
As you’re unlikely to get three post in a row agreeing with each other on this forum alone, I would have to say it would be a non starter. That should be apparent as soon as the phrase “if all drivers stuck together” entered your head.
ROG:
What might and still could have an effect is if all the trainers got together and formed one big syndicate so that the Govt could only get one training centre fee and 5 course fees
Then others would simply offer alternative training facilities.
Before I started driving I worked on a farm and they brought a similar thing in for crop spraying, I can’t remember all the details but something like new user’s and user’s below a certain age had to be trained old ones had grandfather rights. This must be over 20 years ago and I think old ones still have another year to get trained so maybe they could not have stopped it but could have slowed it down for older drivers.
ROG:
What might and still could have an effect is if all the trainers got together and formed one big syndicate so that the Govt could only get one training centre fee and 5 course fees
Then others would simply offer alternative training facilities.
I think ROG meant the fees training centres had to pay to JAUPT to get their courses and centres approved.
If there was one big training organisation they’d only pay one fee, it would mean the government would have lost loads of money setting up JAUPT. It’s a bit of a hypothetical question really.
The aim was to get new drivers into the industry so what it really was is a sneaky way of encouraging/forcing old drivers out.
The EU’s own internal report even admits that DCPC might, in fact, be discouraging new young drivers so that alone strongly supports it being massively altered or scrapped.
You don’t need to bother doing anything pro-active to get rid of dcpc it will do that on its own by being a badly implemented farce.
So potentially a 5 year period with no new drivers entering the industry. Could it have been sustained?
What do you think?
Not a chance. It was an EU wide directive and we were one of the last countries to implement it. It would have needed the majority of the EU to refuse to do it however many countries, France included, saw it as worthwhile. And do you really think you’re going to get someone who has just spent £3,000 on getting a license to earn money not to do training, much of which they actually need (drivers hours, safe loading etc) to start doing the job? And who is going to pay my mortgage and bills whilst I’m sat at home unable to work?
The problem we had is because people didn’t want it then instead of doing it properly the govt just implemented a “lip service” DCPC.
What makes me mad is the fact that all these gobshytes who say that it wasn’t needed are usually prime examples of why it is.
Conor:
Not a chance. It was an EU wide directive and we were one of the last countries to implement it.
We were?
I thought we implemented it the same time as every other country. That was 2008 for coach drivers and 2009 for HGV drivers, with a 5 year period for those who already had a licence to complete the periodic training. Some Countries implemented that part earlier and used different criteria, but others (most notability Germany) have taken the option to extend that to 2015 and 2016 respectively.
Conor:
What makes me mad is the fact that all these gobshytes who say that it wasn’t needed are usually prime examples of why it is.
Conor you come out with this statement again and again (and again )
You make this sweeping generalization that anybody who disagrees with the dcpc or has the opinion of it holding a hidden financial agenda is either thick or in this case a ‘gobshyte’
I myself was accused by you on one occasion of needing it, as according to you ‘I asked stupid questions’ (another of your reactions to not an actual question but to me showing disapproval of your beloved dcpc) but when I challenged you to give me an example of one of said stupid questions, you conveniently chose to ignore it after either looking through my past posts with no luck and being too embarassed to apologise, or the fact that you could not be arsed to back up your groundless accusation.
We and many on here will have to agree to differ with you on dcpc motives and opinions, but ffs stop coming across as being so bloody superior towards those of us that do have contrary opinions to yourself on it, because believe it or not some of us that do are fully aware of the lay out of drivers hours regs and the like, but unlike yourself we don’t take every opportunity on here to tell everybody else. Cheers
No it couldn’t have been stopped. ‘Juggernauts’ already have a bad rep in the press so imagine the headlines about ‘Juggernaut Drivers Refuse Training’ in the Daily Mail. Lots of professions have ongoing training, in fact there are more probably that do than those which don’t, so not much support for the cause and no way would the Government back down and remove it.
