Costco Lutterworth

[krankee]

euromat:
got told it in felixstowe, and checked with my dad (who was a health and safety officer) and he said they dont have to give you access,

Then I would ask for his input on INDG244, HERE.

Section 4 suggests that it includes persons visiting the site and the section on ‘Welfare’ is unequivocal as to what is to be provided.

The document can be downlaoded from the HSE site or, you can request a free copy by mail to private addresses.

It’s something to always have to hand when matters such as discussed arise.

[mrflibble]

freek:
I really think the problem is the truck designers without my keys I can’t lock or unlock the doors from outside

Isn’t that the whole point of a key in the first place?

freek:
the radio turns off every 20 mins and I can’t operate the electric windows 24v etc, if they designed it so you could use your central locking remote to also allow access to basic electrics I guess less drivers would have a problem handing in their ignition keys. just unclip remote hand in keys and then you have full access to your truck except the ability to start it and drive away.

You must be driving more modern trucks than me, as it’s quite rare for me to get given a truck with a central locking remote.

Of course, everything you mentioned would be possible with just a spare key…

[supersmiley]

Mr F Fenman….you seem to b missing the point……u r one of many drivers whom go to RDC’s…….they can’t pick n’ choose whom is an idiot and whom isn’t……(then again you don’t have to b an idiot to make a mistake…as said none of us is perfect)…….so a blanket request for drivers original keys is the best option…if they decide so….simple………

(How do u switch the radio back on in a Scania………don’t have the instructions…………and can u do it in the new ones■■?..………Would be most grateful to know)

Mr Usher…When the sun hits those bay lights…which haven’t got a shield…….they can be hard to see at times………and my eyesight is fine…………

Mr Fibble……how often does theft really happen…………a very high % of any companies workforce isn’t going to risk their job and future for a quick steal……most places have cameras and a unpredictable flow of lorries + people appearing at any moment……just don’t put fancy stuff on open display…………and stop being paranoid…….

Grumpbum……there have been some drivers toilets where I have entered then walk straight back out of……to go find the staffs toilet or a bush………….they r SHOCKING!!!..…As said by another…it’s a minority of drivers whom r at fault……so some companies ain’t putting up with it……
Quite often if u make it politely clear that times r really rough……and add in that your not going to leave their toilet in a state……they let u through………

Freek has got it spot on…it’s the designers whom r to blame a lot…….how many years have cars been opened by remote locking……Volvo has remote locking on their globetrotters…….so why not everyone else……as standard
Designers must be aware that drivers go to companies and have to wait around…for long period at times…sometimes in their cabs…other times in waiting rooms……………all they have to do…is design the electrics so they cut out after an hr…….(stopping u actually leaving anything connected over the weekend)………u just reset it with a flick of a switch………….same as the radio

Am I correct in saying that with the new Reno trucks……u can’t operate the night heater without the keys in the ignition…………backward thinking or what!!!

[mrflibble]

SuperSmiley:
Mr Fibble……how often does theft really happen…………a very high % of any companies workforce isn’t going to risk their job and future for a quick steal……most places have cameras and a unpredictable flow of lorries + people appearing at any moment……just don’t put fancy stuff on open display…………and stop being paranoid.

Yes, the chances are low, but then my cab usually carries my SatNav, digital camera and often my phone. There have been reports on TNUK of people having stuff stolen from the cab in an RDC. Some companies make it a disciplinary offence to leave a truck without locking the cab. Perhaps a couple of hours in the Chilled Goods In Driver Waiting Area at Sainsbury’s London Colney might change your mind.

I usually just give the keys in, but given that most times I go to an RDC I’ve never been there before, so I don’t tend to know the sort of place I’m going to, and what it’s like for security.

You’re also missing the point. You’re jumping on people who choose to give in a different set of keys without considering whether they take any other precautions. If I gave in the wrong keys (which I don’t do very often - I normally give in the correct ones after locking the cab), I’d be very careful to make sure that I didn’t pull off the bay whilst it was being loaded. I do my best to remember not to pull off until I’ve got the correct keys back (as I would anyway), I always check the back of the truck to make sure the dock leveller is off, and if I’d given in the wrong keys, I would also stick the trailer park brake on just to make sure I didn’t pull off without thinking about it.

Frequently when I’ve been to a place that has introduced a “give in your keys” policy, it’s because a continental driver pulled off the bay because (s)he forgot they were in the UK and saw a green light on their side of the truck. That’s unlikely to happen for most UK drivers.

Basically, what these places are saying, is “we don’t trust you”, but they then expect you to trust them without question.

[freek]

MrFlibble:

freek:
I really think the problem is the truck designers without my keys I can’t lock or unlock the doors from outside

Isn’t that the whole point of a key in the first place?

freek:
the radio turns off every 20 mins and I can’t operate the electric windows 24v etc, if they designed it so you could use your central locking remote to also allow access to basic electrics I guess less drivers would have a problem handing in their ignition keys. just unclip remote hand in keys and then you have full access to your truck except the ability to start it and drive away.

You must be driving more modern trucks than me, as it’s quite rare for me to get given a truck with a central locking remote.

Of course, everything you mentioned would be possible with just a spare key…

Guess I am lucky all our trucks have remote central locking

[mike-c]

bikemonkey:
I HATE handing in my keys with a passion,I usually take the ignition key off and hand in the rest and then go back to the wagon

BUT

I went to Costco in Lutterworth,every bay has a trailer wheel lock so you could’nt pull off the bay even if you decided to throw your toys out the pram.so you’d think that this would alleviate the necessity to hand your keys in…
But no
you have to hand your keys in aswell and stand with 50 other drivers in a room which is big enough for only 10 and stand there drinking minging coffee from a coffee machine until tipped ,no food or proper rest as you are not allowed back to your vehicle.and there are no canteen facilities for drivers (except the said coffee machine)

I could say more but im getting wound up writing about it

[zb] place

I’m sure it was Jo who took some snaps of the derisory drivers waiting facilitys at Tescos, Purfleet and produced them to the local council. They then had a look at them as they are bound to do and the end result was improved vending machines and seating arrangements. It won’t solve the problem of handing in keys but it would solve the problem of standing for long periods in an overcrowded waiting room for long periods. If you or anyone else who goes there was to do the same as Jo did. I’m sure Jo might tell us the procedure again to complain or someone like Krankee or Coffeeholic might have a link to the post with the instructions of what to do about it.

[andy_a1]

Lets look at this from the h&s angle, The risk here is that a vehicle will pull of the bay leading to a fork lift falling in the gap, serious injury or death to driver of said fork lift.

So to mittigate this risc they introduce a control measure=: , handing in the keys.

Howerver this causes much inconvienience to the truck drivers and if the practise of keeping a real key back is likley, or if you have know that it has happened in the past the control measure is not working.

The better solution to my mind would be to use wheel locks, or place a sign on a stand in front of the vehicle at windscreen height whilst it’s being unloaded, best practice would have the fork lift driver place said sign before entering the back and then when done remove sign. take less than 1 min to do. You won’t drive off when a sign cracks into the windscreen.

[denis_f]

andy_A1:
The better solution to my mind would be to use wheel locks, or place a sign on a stand in front of the vehicle at windscreen height whilst it’s being unloaded, best practice would have the fork lift driver place said sign before entering the back and then when done remove sign. take less than 1 min to do. You won’t drive off when a sign cracks into the windscreen.

or even a lump of concrete which needs a forklift to move it

[r_slicker]

or even a lump of concrete which needs a forklift to move it

hays at barking used to do this. untill h&s ruled it unsafe practice owing to fire regs that the driver could not get the truck out so the insurance would have to cough up alot of money for burnt out trucks. also the driver who lost his rag and tried to drive away pushing the 2 ton lump of concrete out the way didnt help and i know who that driver was

[bikemonkey]

Supersmiley I can just about take some of your ramblings but your getting a bit tired now,Your obviously far too intelligent to be a lorry driver,so why are you?
I agree with some of what you say in some of your posts,but you do go on in a kind of "I now all"sort of way,and some of what you say is absolute crap,
written to provoke a reaction for a bit of attention.
You obviously do EVERYTHING by the book e.g keeping to 40 on single carriageways and 50 for dual carriageways etc,I expect you do your Hi Vis vest up tight with the velcro also.
So I think I’ve worked out who you really are?

Your Mary Poppins
Cause she was practically PERFECT in EVERY WAY

[lovlyperson]

bikemonkey:
I HATE handing in my keys with a passion,I usually take the ignition key off and hand in the rest and then go back to the wagon

BUT

I went to Costco in Lutterworth,every bay has a trailer wheel lock so you could’nt pull off the bay even if you decided to throw your toys out the pram.so you’d think that this would alleviate the necessity to hand your keys in…
But no
you have to hand your keys in aswell and stand with 50 other drivers in a room which is big enough for only 10 and stand there drinking minging coffee from a coffee machine until tipped ,no food or proper rest as you are not allowed back to your vehicle.and there are no canteen facilities for drivers (except the said coffee machine)

I could say more but im getting wound up writing about it

[zb] place

as you know the Company yet.
Next Time you stop by Tesco or asda,buy a Porkfat,Bread and dryed Garlic.
do the Porkfat on Breads,and half a centimeter dryed Garlic,and eat that many Breads as just possible.
Usually shall it need 30 to 60 min till you loose winds after Winds,that badly smelling that you are alone in the Room very shortly.
You also could spend the other Drivers some of it,to mustnt eat it all yourselfe.
Be sure they change theres policy.

[lovlyperson]

mark croft:
count yourselfs lucky,went to B&Q bridgewater store with nine pallets,booked for 10am got there at 5pm the day before was told night staff dont tip,will do you at 7 next morning,when own wagon comes, he’s in first,then me,after 16 HRS get tipped, all for 20 mins of time that could have been done the night before.

Got booked in a few Times by a Company in lutherthings.
Each Time start at 18.00 and finish after 8 Hours.
Each Time £17.- for Taxi to go Home
after a few Time decided the Office i will get a 9hour Shift and sent me south of Bristol.
I arrived and asked if i have to unload myselfe.
The officers Eyes a onliest Question.
Watch out of your Window,i said: All on Break
There were some,but no movement.
I stoot 10 Hour on the Bay and had a 21 hour shift.
next Night off,and then again south to that Warehouse.
Hi,he said friendly as he sah me.
Now,i replied:i always come when your Staff is on break.Last stood i 10 hour on the Bay.
SO,i stood that Time 7 hour on the Parking,and then 11 hour on the Bay
WHY
They hadn’t break.They just moved that slowly and feeled provocated that i called it “Break”
They never booked me in by that Company,as they had to get Hiretractors to get the regular Jobs done during i made my Breaks on some warehouses Bay’s

[Lucy]

Lovlyperson:

bikemonkey:
I HATE handing in my keys with a passion,I usually take the ignition key off and hand in the rest and then go back to the wagon

BUT

I went to Costco in Lutterworth,every bay has a trailer wheel lock so you could’nt pull off the bay even if you decided to throw your toys out the pram.so you’d think that this would alleviate the necessity to hand your keys in…
But no
you have to hand your keys in aswell and stand with 50 other drivers in a room which is big enough for only 10 and stand there drinking minging coffee from a coffee machine until tipped ,no food or proper rest as you are not allowed back to your vehicle.and there are no canteen facilities for drivers (except the said coffee machine)

I could say more but im getting wound up writing about it

[zb] place

as you know the Company yet.
Next Time you stop by Tesco or asda,buy a Porkfat,Bread and dryed Garlic.
do the Porkfat on Breads,and half a centimeter dryed Garlic,and eat that many Breads as just possible.
Usually shall it need 30 to 60 min till you loose winds after Winds,that badly smelling that you are alone in the Room very shortly.
You also could spend the other Drivers some of it,to mustnt eat it all yourselfe.
Be sure they change theres policy.

Like it.

[flying_fenman]

Super Smiley, you are missing the point. What purpose does handing they keys in serve?

Before you think about this question, let me tell you a story.

On Friday, I delivered to a Sainsbury depot that has a key surrender policy. I backed on a bay, handed in my notes and ‘keys’ and sat in my cab.

Thirty minutes later an unloader started shouting at me through the bay door to let my vehicle roll forward six inches as he couldn’t get the ramp in my trailer. I told him that I did not have my keys. He said, ‘Oh that’s OK, it will just roll forward if you release your park brake. We do it all the time’

I had a good mind to call out the person in charge of H&S!! Were they aware that an LGV can be moved without the keys being in the ignition?!?! Good grief!!

And before you think that Tesco have the right approach - not even letting you sit in your cab - how do they know the brake is on anyway? I often say to their Goods In staff. ‘I think I put the park brake on, but as I’m only a thicko driver I’m not sure. If it moves forward and you want me to put it back on for you, I’ll be asleep over there.’ None of them have ever gone and checked for themselves yet.

So, what I am saying is that I have no objection to being physically immobilised some way, or dropping my trailer. But handing in keys serves no purpose. The vehicle can still be moved without them. And while my tacho is in the head, and my kit is in the cab, I will not be handing the keys to anyone.

It seems to me the best option is to drop the trailer on the bay, or lock the trailer on the bay somehow. This way EVERYONE’S health and safety is considered.

Scania 4 series radios can be operated without the keys if you press and hold down the top and bottom buttons on the right had side of the night heater controller simultaneously. I have no idea about the newer R series trucks because I’ve not had the need to do it in one (only been in one a few times), although I did notice the night heater controller is different.