Cost per kilometer

UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS EURO DRIVING FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
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THE costs per kilometer which each country gets when a lorry
uses their roads,

Have a look here and see a list of countrys and the road charges(maut)
SOME countrys have no maut but a vingette,which the driver must buy
before going on certain roads of that country

charges are per kilometer.

Starting with the lowest
Great Britian,Sweden,Poland,Finnland, THESE are quoted at 0 cent
as their charges are neglible .

Slowakia costs 0.2 cent

Cezch costs 0.4 cents

Hungary costs 0.8 cents

Holland
Denmark…
Belgium
luxemburg, these all cost 1.0 cents

Grecce costs 6.5cents

Ireland costs 7.2 cents

Italy costs10.0cents

Germany costs 12.4 cents

Portugal costs 16.5 cents

France costs 20.0cents

Spain costs 21.0cents

Austria costs 27.30 cents

Switzerland costs 49.00 cents

The above costs are for each kilometer you drive in that country
on the motorways,each country has its own method of raiseing
rthe road charges with Switzerland being the one which has
the highest charges,

by the way GERMANY has made avery good profit with the
Maut, and yes it does look like the best system for europe
to use as it has been built exactly with this in mind,so the
expansion into more countrys is no problem at all,

Sorry due to this jobsworth not putting the post over correctly
i have amended the title, hope it now makes sense, :blush: :blush:

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How come the charge for Sweden is shown as negligible but for Belgium, Holland, Denmark and Luxembourg it is shown as 1.0 cent? Sweden operate the same charging system as the other four, the Euro Vignette.

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Coffeeholic, Sweden gets only a small amount of the Euro-vingette
unlike Belgium,Holland,Denmark,Luxemburg.who get a much larger percentage of the payments made for the Euro-vingette,;

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On this topic of road charging i know a lot of drivers are against the maut system in germany and to me it seems a fair system do the german hauliers pay the same or do they get discounts or rebaits
Iam totally ■■■■■■ off watching the uk haulage going down the pan as our goverment says a toll system is totally unworkable i get the oppinion that nobody cares who delivers the goods as long as it is cheap and also more of our factories are closed and the goods are sourced in europe i should not be against this as it keeps me in a job is this but it is not the GB haulier who is doing the work it is the new EU states that are doing the haulage with there peanut costs as our industry fails and who pays the bills when we are all unemployed and the only jobs are with the services (nhs,councils ,goverment,ect.)What is the way forward for the GB or are we already doomed by the a…holes that run the country,Iwas in opperation stack on friday and out of about 200 trucks there were only about 15 uk trucks.
Below are the goverment stats, for 2005 i dread to think what today figures are, :frowning: KLUNK (one of the few left)

The Department of Transport has today published National Statistics on the number of road goods vehicles travelling to mainland Europe from Great Britain in the fourth quarter 2005, and in calendar year 2005.

The results show that, in 2005, the total number of vehicles travelling to mainland Europe was 2,777 thousand, one per cent more than in 2004 and 71 per cent more than in 1995. Powered vehicles accounted for 2,021 thousand of this total, an increase of three percent since 2004 and 127 per cent since 1995.

The remaining vehicles were unaccompanied trailers. 756 thousand travelled to mainland Europe in 2005, a three per cent decrease since 2004 but a 12 per cent increase since 1995.

517 thousand powered vehicles were registered in the United Kingdom, five per cent more than in 2004 and six per cent more than in 1995. UK registered vehicles accounted for 26 per cent of all powered vehicles in 2005, compared with 25 per cent in 2004 and 51 per cent in 1995.

1472 thousand powered vehicles were foreign registered, two per cent more than in 2004 and more than three times (plus 219 per cent) the number in 1995. French lorries (361 thousand) continue to be the most frequent visitors, followed by Dutch (253 thousand) and German (168 thousand).

The number of vehicles from the New Member States (those countries joining the EU in May 2004) increased by 62 per cent between 2004 and 2005, from 103 thousand to 167 thousand. The majority of these were from Poland (55 thousand), the Czech Republic (41 thousand) and Hungary (38 thousand). In 1999, the earliest year for which separate figures are available, 23 thousand vehicles were from NMS countries.

The majority of powered vehicles use the Dover Strait ports (1) . This group accounted for 84 per cent of all vehicles travelling to mainland Europe in 2005, compared with 74 % in 1995. The North Sea ports (2) continue to have the majority share of unaccompanied trailer traffic: 92 per cent in 2005, compared with 74 per cent in 1995.

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They pay the same as any one else, if you do Germany IT is better when you
get OBU unit fitted as this saves time and trouble which you can not afford,
also the driver can go off route with out you loseing money ,which you have
happening ,when you use the maut machines to book your route,
now you ask what loss of money, they charge a fee when you reprogram your route,due to say a Traffic-jam,Accident, Diversion, etc, ALSO you have no
time limit when you use a OBU unit,but you get given a time limit when useing a machine or the internet,

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I thought that was the way it opperated seems fair to me just look at the money missed to the uk with nothing charged to these non uk hauliers who are also takeing uk internal work aswell all i would like to see is alevel playing field for us all mind just heard today that we have got a job back that we lost to a polish haulier in august and at a better rate they could not stop them eating the load seemingly

just found a pic of my first truck

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brit pete:
Coffeeholic, Sweden gets only a small amount of the Euro-vingette
unlike Belgium,Holland,Denmark,Luxemburg.who get a much larger percentage of the payments made for the Euro-vingette,;

What each country gets as a percentage of the vignette payments is irrelevant when it comes to how much you are paying to use the roads in that country. You pay the same per day for a vignette for Sweden as you do for the other four countries, it doesn’t cost you less because they get less does it?

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Coffeeholic , yes as you said ,you pay the same where ever you buy the
euro-vingette,however they split the payments up ,and those countrys
who are part of the euro-vingette partnership , then become a set amount,
and these countrys it seems get the smallest amount,that is why the costs
for these countrys is the lowest, i hope that makes sense.

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No Pete, it makes no sense. You as the driver, or operator, are paying exactly the same for one days vignette in each of the countries therefore in your list the charge for using the roads in those countries should be the same. According to your list you buy a days vignette in Holland and it is costing you 1.0 cent per kilometere, you buy the same vignette in Sweden and it is costing you 0.0 cents per kilometer yet you have paid out the same amount of money. You don’t pay less for the vignette in Sweden because they get a smaller cut.

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Coffeeholic,YES you PAY that sum, but this is what each country
acctually gets from the revenue payed for the use of their strechtes
of road,and so the study has worked out what it costs you per kilometer
when road charges/vingette are raised.EACH partner of the euro-vingette
becomes only a percentage of the income from the sale of the tickets
and this is the end result of that divsion of income except where the country has a road toll exclusively for its self, like Germany,Swiss ETC; AND THEY
recive more revenue per kilometer,

Sorry i phrased it wrong, i will rewrite the heading,
:blush: :blush:
have another read and see if it now makes sense
i do so hope so, :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

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I know what you’re saying, Pete, but it still is wrong however you look at it. People say that the tolls are fair, and that Brit Operators are only paying what is fair, and they also bang on about how Brit trucks used to travel with belly tanks and were able to do the job for less etc.etc.etc…

Well I wasn’t an Operator when there were belly tanks, and I wasn’t an Operator in the era of cabotage. I was an Operator when every tom ■■■■ or harry could ■■■■■ the rates because they were allowed to run at a virtual loss to make it fair for them to compete.

then the German gov come up with the Maut which most certainly does penalise people like me. The rates didn’t improve for me but the costs rocketed.

You can try to say it’s a fair system, but when you cannot afford to visit your neighbouring countries because they are able to write the tolls against tax then it is not a fair system. The same goes for so many others, but Germany did set the rate deliberately high because you have no option but to transit Germany to go East. France did the same because they hate the idea of being a transit route and it is damned near criminal.

All the governments who have set such ridiculously high rates should be taken to the European Court for what is tantamount to theft!

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bob from the maut GERMANY is at no5 with SWISS top,and Austria 2nd
Right as regards costs bob; MOST FIRMS give the amount for the maut
back to the transport firms ; WHO CARRY THEIR GOODS; if this is
not the case for those who do GERMANY then get this sorted out,as
even the polish firms get the maut costs back,it is all a case of
stateing your costs and what you require for any work carried
out ,SORRY but when priceing a job surely this is taken into
account, where ever one goes,

by the way if germany made a large profit what have AUSTRIA;with their maut
and also the charge for useing the brenner,Then we have SWISS where one
would pay 20swiss franks to transit and now it costs roughly around €140
to transit the same route, now you tell me who is over chargeing,
Germany charges as of 01012007 --12.4 cents for each kilometer
travelled on their motorways, and certain Bundesstrassen ,sorry but
no, The united-kingdom WAS INVITEDto join the EURO-VINGETTE
when it first came in to operation and the goverment said NO and
has kept on saying NO, ME i belive they should bring in a road charge
with a rebate for home-transport, and alsothose who use the newest
lorrys out with euro4 or5 motors,HERE ALSO they should help those
UK firms out with grants or intrest free loans to those firms who wish
to modernise their FLEETS,so is what happens in the majority of
other countrys why can the UK not do the same, is it so hard. i
do not think so,

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klunk/■■■■■■■■
I thought that was the way it opperated seems fair to me just look at the money missed to the uk with nothing charged to these non uk hauliers who are also takeing uk internal work aswell all i would like to see is alevel playing field for us all mind just heard today that we have got a job back that we lost to a polish haulier in august and at a better rate they could not stop them eating the load seemingly

just found a pic of my first truck

dafdave

Ive been saying exactly what your saying for yrs.but it falls on deaf ears,nobody in any govt. wants to know. The brits have never learned to live with the truck and never will.I think the govt. is on a backhander from the eu and nobody will convince me otherwise or they would have been using the vigenette yrs ago.

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brit pete:
Coffeeholic,YES you PAY that sum, but this is what each country acctually gets from the revenue payed for the use of their strechtes
of road,

Ah, now it makes sense. this is a list of what each country gets so is nothing to do with what it costs the operator to use the roads. Got it.

brit pete:
and so the study has worked out what it costs you per kilometer when road charges/vingette are raised

Hang on, now it’s what it costs the vehicle operator to use the road? It can’t be both?

brit pete:
EACH partner of the euro-vingettebecomes only a percentage of the income from the sale of the tickets and this is the end result of that divsion of income

Now it’s back to being what each country earns and not the cost for the operator?

brit pete:
have another read and see if it now makes sense
i do so hope so, :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

Nope, still doesn’t make sense. :laughing: It is either a list of how much each country makes from the tolls it charges or it is a list of what it cost the vehicle operator for each kilometre driven in each country, it can’t be both. :laughing: :wink:

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coffeeholic, I try again this shows what country gets when a lorry drives in their countryon the roads where a charge is raised,
SO the SWISS ,AUSTRIA are the top of the list and as the last post said make a bloody good profit more than GERMANY i belive,
those siteswho are at the bottom either have no road charges or their
charges are regarded as being neglible,

MORE COSTS due to road charges,
these costs as you mention should be recovered in the
freight,rates that the customer(s) pay for the delivery of their goods,
this is how it is being done over here in GERMANY,the firms become the
price of themaut paid by the customer, and this should be happening
when a UK hauler has TO PAY ROAD CHARGES or do they expect you to
FLY over to the customer,Sorry but they pay the maut for the distance
given by the maut site,so the firm has the extra cost covered
and does not lose out and this happens when going to
any country where more costs are raised when carrying
their goods.

,HOPE this makes sense now,
:slight_smile: :blush:

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I know what you are trying to say Pete, and I’m just messing with you, but the list does have some flaws . It seems that, according to the list, Sweden are administering a tax system which brings them no benefit. I know the vignette is divided up among each country but the Swedes must be getting more than 0 cents or there would be no point in them administering it. It also seems strange that the other four countries work out to 1 cent each when, as they all get a different share, you would expect different amounts.

According to the list GB is 0 cents and classed as negligible, which makes sense as they do not operate a road charging system apart from some toll bridges and tunnels and the London Congestion Charge. However, Ireland is listed as 7.2 cents but they also don’t have a road user charge, except for a couple of toll bridges, so where does the 7.2 cents come from? If, as you say. it is a list of what each country makes from their road charging the surely the French figure must be wrong, The French toll roads are operated by companies not the country? Unless there has been some sharp price rises recently Spanish tolls, in my experience, were always much cheaper than French yet Spain is higher than France in the list?

If it was a list of what it costs the operator to drive in each country it would be useful guide for calculating costs, when pricing a job for instance.

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Pete. What you say is right enough in theory, but the poles are doing the job for considerably less than a UK operator can do it, and consequently they can make all sorts of demands of their customers and still get the work.

In the year I operated after the maut came into effect, I never, not even once, actually got the money back. This was because it was on a 3 month deferred sheet. By the time I realised what was happening I’d already lost thousands.

As for the Austrians and Swiss. Who cares. We all know that the Austrians actually charge you for the air you use with their Euro rating system, and the swiss have been taking the P for years. The French are, IMO, little short of con artists when it comes to tolls, fines etc. The spanish are onto a good thing and they know it. The portugese… enough said.

No, I’m afraid that Germany have introduced a system which, on paper at least, is fair and reasonable. In practice it most certainly is not. Not if you are from Britain.

Personally, I couldn’t care less anymore. I don’t live in Europe because I can see nothing to recommend it anymore. The Euro is a farce, the governments are nothing short of thieves without masks, the populus have lost all their decency towards others and the enlargement is going to ■■■■■■■ other countries because of the financial aid needed to bring their nations up to scratch.

So the money handed over by the governments will go to build roads that hauliers from donor countries won’t be able to afford to use. The Maut, and all the other toll systems, will contribute to an ever widening gap.

Why can’t the EU, this wonderful smorgasbord of mixed nations and cultures, come up with a single charge, uniform to all countries? Where you travel, you pay. As simple as that.

Why?

Because just about every country hates their neighbours with a passion. That’s why!

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Nice 86 :stuck_out_tongue:

Is it me or does Klunk remind you of Dens dad in Please Sir?