oiltreader:
You posted in Bully’s Bar…OIltreader asked me a question in the Oldies COVID thread why didn’t you cut and and paste my precise question to you instead of using my post as an excuse for a rant about Boris Johnson, yes it is political and as such it belongs in Bully’s Bar, a place I don’t frequent but glad I did on this occasion.
Oily
Well, Im sorry that youve been upset by me not quoting exactly your question.
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In case others are also upset may I quote Eric Idle?
'WE WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE FOR THE WAY IN WHICH POLITICIANS ARE REPRESENTED IN THIS PROGRAMME. IT WAS NEVER OUR INTENTION TO IMPLY THAT POLITICIANS ARE WEAK-KNEED, POLITICAL TIME-SERVERS WHO ARE CONCERNED MORE WITH THEIR PERSONAL VENDETTAS AND PRIVATE POWER STRUGGLES THAN THE PROBLEMS OF GOVERNMENT, NOR TO SUGGEST AT ANY POINT THAT THEY SACRIFICE THEIR CREDIBILITY BY DENYING FREE DEBATE ON VITAL MATTERS IN THE MISTAKEN IMPRESSION THAT PARTY UNITY COMES BEFORE THE WELL-BEING OF THE PEOPLE THEY SUPPOSEDLY REPRESENT NOR TO IMPLY AT ANY STAGE THAT THEY ARE SQUABBLING LITTLE TOADIES WITHOUT AN OUNCE OF CONCERN FOR THE VITAL SOCIAL PROBLEMS OF TODAY. NOR INDEED DO WE INTEND THAT VIEWERS SHOULD CONSIDER THEM AS CRABBY ULCEROUS LITTLE SELF-SEEKING VERMIN WITH FURRY LEGS AND AN EXCESSIVE ADDICTION TO ALCOHOL AND CERTAIN EXPLICIT ■■■■■■ PRACTICES WHICH SOME PEOPLE MIGHT FIND OFFENSIVE. WE ARE SORRY IF THIS IMPRESSION HAS COME ACROSS."
After the PM’s broadcast last evening I can’t say that I’m any the wiser about what the lock down exit strategy is. it was all ifs, buts, and maybes…
I do know that I now have 9 units on SORN at my depot, not all from my operation, plus a number of trailers parked-up. Any spare units I had have been de-licensed to save money, so I now have just the bare number of units I need to run to cover my work.
Not sure what Boris can do . Im sure if someone could tell him in advance how many people were going to get or die on a daily/weekly basis from the virus then he could probably be more difinitive, unfortunately its a guessing game
ramone:
Not sure what Boris can do . Im sure if someone could tell him in advance how many people were going to get or die on a daily/weekly basis from the virus then he could probably be more difinitive, unfortunately its a guessing game
I’ve heard this guessing game/ learning curve crap before from idiots looking for the answer on a sky hook . The truth is he and the government are blindly blundering around in the dark because they haven’t got a clue. I notice too that yet again they have chickened out of being closely interrogated on TV because all they want to do is to read from the official script by the cap-doffers. COWARDS, COWARDS, COWARDS.
Go back to work in the morning! FFS absolutely hopeless response last night, a complete waste of time bothering to listen to such cretinous hogwash. The Overriding consideration is obviously to hold the Tory Party and its financial backers together.
cav551:
ramone:
Not sure what Boris can do . Im sure if someone could tell him in advance how many people were going to get or die on a daily/weekly basis from the virus then he could probably be more difinitive, unfortunately its a guessing game
I’ve heard this guessing game/ learning curve crap before from idiots looking for the answer on a sky hook . The truth is he and the government are blindly blundering around in the dark because they haven’t got a clue. I notice too that yet again they have chickened out of being closely interrogated on TV because all they want to do is to read from the official script by the cap-doffers. COWARDS, COWARDS, COWARDS.
Go back to work in the morning! FFS absolutely hopeless response last night, a complete waste of time bothering to listen to such cretinous hogwash. The Overriding consideration is obviously to hold the Tory Party and its financial backers together.
So what should Boris have said last night?
cav551:
ramone:
Not sure what Boris can do . Im sure if someone could tell him in advance how many people were going to get or die on a daily/weekly basis from the virus then he could probably be more difinitive, unfortunately its a guessing game
I’ve heard this guessing game/ learning curve crap before from idiots looking for the answer on a sky hook . The truth is he and the government are blindly blundering around in the dark because they haven’t got a clue. I notice too that yet again they have chickened out of being closely interrogated on TV because all they want to do is to read from the official script by the cap-doffers. COWARDS, COWARDS, COWARDS.
Go back to work in the morning! FFS absolutely hopeless response last night, a complete waste of time bothering to listen to such cretinous hogwash. The Overriding consideration is obviously to hold the Tory Party and its financial backers together.
what would Mr Corbyn and Ms Abbott have done in Boris’ position,i wonder 
carryfast-yeti:
cav551:
ramone:
Not sure what Boris can do . Im sure if someone could tell him in advance how many people were going to get or die on a daily/weekly basis from the virus then he could probably be more difinitive, unfortunately its a guessing game
I’ve heard this guessing game/ learning curve crap before from idiots looking for the answer on a sky hook . The truth is he and the government are blindly blundering around in the dark because they haven’t got a clue. I notice too that yet again they have chickened out of being closely interrogated on TV because all they want to do is to read from the official script by the cap-doffers. COWARDS, COWARDS, COWARDS.
Go back to work in the morning! FFS absolutely hopeless response last night, a complete waste of time bothering to listen to such cretinous hogwash. The Overriding consideration is obviously to hold the Tory Party and its financial backers together.
what would Mr Corbyn and Ms Abbott have done in Boris’ position,i wonder
I suggest they would have gone into shock when they learned that the PPE that was supposedly in the reserve for such emergencies was either missing or out of date!
Do we have PPE in reserve for such never before seen in modern times emergencys? PPE out of date? Could that be another part of EU law we have to put up with when they PPE is probably perfectly safe to use. Two weeks ago 26 pallets if bandages were sent to our site fore destroying they were out if date
The broadcast should have been after debate in parliament which would very likely have concluded that the final decision about when to commence relaxation should be delayed for another two weeks - at least part of the three /four weeks which we are estimated to be behind the rest of Europe. That would have given us a chance to see the effect of relaxation in other countries. Instead we got " You should go back to work in the morning", a statement that was met immediately with incredulity by commentators as soon as the broadcast was over, and a message that idiot Raab, backtracking, told Sky News this morning meant Wednesday morning FFS. This order given when the government has woefully failed to meet its testing target repeatedly and moreover been caught fiddling the figures, plus is incapable of securing enough PPE for the NHS let alone the millions of workers now required to resume work. PPE masks which need to be changed every 60 minutes. The last box of 20 masks which I bought, for my normal work as a heavy vehicle mechanic some months ago, cost £1 per mask, but are now selling at £4 each… if you can source them. FFS
He should have given a VERY clear message that the priority above ALL other considerations is to protect the population from dying as a result of catching the disease. What he did instead was to fudge it because he has division within his party by a section of his MPs who want to prioritise the economy. I strongly suspect that there is a significant movement within it to end financial support for those who are currently unable to work in June.
Johnson is no longer Bojo but BOZO.
cav551:
The broadcast should have been after debate in parliament which would very likely have concluded that the final decision about when to commence relaxation should be delayed for another two weeks - at least part of the three /four weeks which we are estimated to be behind the rest of Europe. That would have given us a chance to see the effect of relaxation in other countries. Instead we got " You should go back to work in the morning", a statement that was met immediately with incredulity by commentators as soon as the broadcast was over, and a message that idiot Raab, backtracking, told Sky News this morning meant Wednesday morning FFS. This order given when the government has woefully failed to meet its testing target repeatedly and moreover been caught fiddling the figures, plus is incapable of securing enough PPE for the NHS let alone the millions of workers now required to resume work. PPE masks which need to be changed every 60 minutes. The last box of 20 masks which I bought, for my normal work as a heavy vehicle mechanic some months ago, cost £1 per mask, but are now selling at £4 each… if you can source them. FFS
He should have given a VERY clear message that the priority above ALL other considerations is to protect the population from dying as a result of catching the disease. What he did instead was to fudge it because he has division within his party by a section of his MPs who want to prioritise the economy. I strongly suspect that there is a significant movement within it to end financial support for those who are currently unable to work in June.
Johnson is no longer Bojo but BOZO.
Then you get some health experts saying dont use face masks , they dont help the situation . Lots of contradictory and confusing advice , imagine being at the sharp end and trying to syphen out the good advice from the total crap
ramone:
Do we have PPE in reserve for such never before seen in modern times emergencys? PPE out of date? Could that be another part of EU law we have to put up with when they PPE is probably perfectly safe to use. Two weeks ago 26 pallets if bandages were sent to our site fore destroying they were out if date
From an article in yesterday’s Sunday Telegraph: -
“Almost 16 million protective goggles were being recalled from hospitals and the front line last night after failing safety tests against Covid-19. The eye shields, purchased during the national pandemic stockpile in 2009, were said to have been designed for lower-risk scenarios. A national standards body has warned they should not be used to protect medical staff. An alert was sent to hospitals yesterday as the Government scrambled to limit the damage. A total stock-pile of nearly 26 million Tiger Eye protectors failed to meet standards at their time of purchase under the Gordon Brown administration… Tiger Eye goggles were only originally advised for low risk settings… of the 25.6 million eye protectors in the stockpile, 15.9 million pairs had already been distributed. The remaining 9.7 million are in quarantine”.
gingerfold:
ramone:
Do we have PPE in reserve for such never before seen in modern times emergencys? PPE out of date? Could that be another part of EU law we have to put up with when they PPE is probably perfectly safe to use. Two weeks ago 26 pallets if bandages were sent to our site fore destroying they were out if date
From an article in yesterday’s Sunday Telegraph: -
“Almost 16 million protective goggles were being recalled from hospitals and the front line last night after failing safety tests against Covid-19. The eye shields, purchased during the national pandemic stockpile in 2009, were said to have been designed for lower-risk scenarios. A national standards body has warned they should not be used to protect medical staff. An alert was sent to hospitals yesterday as the Government scrambled to limit the damage. A total stock-pile of nearly 26 million Tiger Eye protectors failed to meet standards at their time of purchase under the Gordon Brown administration… Tiger Eye goggles were only originally advised for low risk settings… of the 25.6 million eye protectors in the stockpile, 15.9 million pairs had already been distributed. The remaining 9.7 million are in quarantine”.
I wonder why they have been counted as a pair rather than one for each eye? maybe because it spins better that way. And it’s BOZO who is recommending wearing face masks to everyone.
On a separate issue I’ve just tried filling in the self employed claim gubbins on gov uk. Asks for a number they definitely (Not UTR or nat ins) haven’t sent me and then after an hour sorting that wants to do a credit check asking ■■■■ fool questions about when I last took out various contracts. It was so long ago I ain’t got a F clue so it throws me out because it doesn’t agree with the answers they’ve got. It doesn’t even recognise my correct address. So now I have to pay my accountant to do it for me. I can predict that what comes back eventually will be take off old age pension and the odd one day’s work during March - June plus late payments received for December invoices from the amount allowed and it will just about meet his fee.
25 million eye protectors ordered smacks more of someone in Parliment having a nice little taste from the company that sold them . They were bought just in case we have pandemic 25 million ■■? Ffs . Wasn’t this the fellow who sold our gold at a very low price because we were skint. I think the wrong questions are being asked to the wrong people. There’s no doubt we have the PPE supplies here but if it hasn’t got the correct standards stamped on it we cant touch it. The BS standard system is a nightmare and a hell of a lot of it isn’t to do with the product , more to do with petty crap.
Do you think the government are sat back and aren’t bothered what happens , this is a first in modern times and no one in the world were prepared for it (apart from China) Italy were the ones who were hit hardest then the Germans closed the borders as the rest of europe looked on and tried to put a plan together. Hindsight is worth its weght in gold , and so is a phone with a decent sized keypad
How far back do we need to go with attempts to deflect from the ineptitude of this lot? It is incumbent on every administration upon coming to power to review what contingency measures are in place for which eventuality and what stocks are held, their specification and shelf life and to make whatever changes are required and to monitor all of this in relation to changing world events. They seem to manage to keep an eye on the effects upon the wonga pretty closely. If they spent more time doing the job rather than looking around for excuses and ways to spin events they might be entitled to some sympathy, but the present record doesn’t support that concession except from among their die hard supporters.
I have little regard for Ma Krankie but at least she held her hands up on TV this morning and admittted that she had made mistakes during this crisis. As such she has gone up in my estimation. Bozo has sunk to the bottom of the North Sea.
North of the border we have a daily update from our First Minister also our Health Secretary and an NHS representative, this is on BBC Scotland CH106 at 12.30, it could last an hour, I don’t know cos after half an hour I get fed up of the same old claptrap, strong on words and weak on actions. Journalist Q&As are treated with hostility by Sturgeon, she hears the question, the journalist and we hear it and he/she gets cut off with no chance of comeback.
There may be an easing of the Stay at Home from Westminster, that will not happen here according to Sturgeon and I would tend to agree, then again it is not the Scottish ■■■■■ that is financing further stay at home measures with regard to business and worker furlough payments.
This a is IMHO a brilliant article, a damning indictment of politicians at Holyrood and Westminister worth a read.
heraldscotland.com/news/184 … ronavirus/
Oily
No matter which way Boris turns he is attacked , stay at home people who need to work attack go back to work people who dont want , dont need or are too scared attack and of course his old friend Ma Kranky . What a shame Scotland didnt get their independence i wonder what she would be sayong now with no EU and no UK to prpp her up. Like Oiltreader said shes not paying. Mistakes are going to happen because we are in unchartered waters . Name a country that as gone into this and made no mistakes. FFS im glad we aren’t where we were 76 years ago
Go to work if its safe to do so in the guidelines outl8ned avoid public transport where possible walk clycle or drive there and above all use common sense just like we are told to do in H & S
cav551:
How far back do we need to go with attempts to deflect from the ineptitude of this lot? It is incumbent on every administration upon coming to power to review what contingency measures are in place for which eventuality and what stocks are held, their specification and shelf life and to make whatever changes are required and to monitor all of this in relation to changing world events. They seem to manage to keep an eye on the effects upon the wonga pretty closely. If they spent more time doing the job rather than looking around for excuses and ways to spin events they might be entitled to some sympathy, but the present record doesn’t support that concession except from among their die hard supporters.
I have little regard for Ma Krankie but at least she held her hands up on TV this morning and admittted that she had made mistakes during this crisis. As such she has gone up in my estimation. Bozo has sunk to the bottom of the North Sea.
You make some good points about accountability; earlier this year we had a dysfunctional opposition, and Johnson banned some serious news reporters from Downing St, and decided to put ministers on the Today programme. So long as he can be is not interested in truth, just spin. With so many of the media on his side over Brexit, it was largely glossed over.
Poor ole Boris, those nasty reporters asking awkward questions.
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Edit, sorry he banned ministers from appearing on Today, this avoiding scrutiny. Poor sods, he doesn’t trust them not to make a ■■■■ up. (With reason)
I watched Question time last night, the panel was Luke Johnson, Bridget Phillipson MP, Mick Cash and Steve Barclay MP and Devi Sridar . Apart from Fiona Bruce trying repeatedly to stir up the Labour lady into making out that the government is incompetent it was a balanced programme. However Johnson and Barclay came out of it poorly.
Johnson as an “entrepreneur” was clearly only interested in his financial investments, coming out with the most objectionable assertion that only 350 people who mattered (to him and the economy) had died from Covid - all the rest were over 60 or suffering from some other underlying symptoms so could be discounted as irrelevant. There must be many thousands of people in the country who would dearly like to meet the man.
Barclay came across as might have been predicted, towing the Government script, determined to spout some inaccurate figures - he looked very sheepish when Bruce challenged him for the third or fourth time, finally merely nodding in agreement. Again as expected he came across as arrogant and condescending towards Mich Cash and anxious to shift any possible criticism of policy onto The Science.
Phillipson was only briefly consulted to begin with but made valid points in criticism of the Government particularly about care homes, but without doing so just to take an opposite view.
Devi Sridar, the scientist, was as balanced in her views as is Dr Hilary on the ITV Morning programme, with both support and criticism of the government and comparison to elsewhere.
Mick Cash, who no doubt many despise simply because he is a Union leader, appeared a bit tongue tied and flustered at times, but did himself a power of good not just with the revelation that the train operators, unions and Government had been in the middle of discussions on how to resume a fuller public transport service, only for Sunday night’s bomshell announcement to make the whole process pointless; but with an excellent put down of Barclay: " the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing".
How did I rate their performance? Sridar just ahead of Cash, then Phillipson way ahead of Barclay and the other side of the Ocean - Johnson.
