Sorry to have hit a nerve and i am sure there are other aft cat’s out there that could pay more . I was just putting my point over that football clubs say they cant afford to pay the ground staff on a minimum wage but can still pay the player’s that are hopefully sitting at home doing nothing.
marky:
gerbil sb152:
Just to throw in my twopeneth, it was said some football clubs are going to put ground staff that would only be on minimum wage on the furlough scheme why cant the player’s that are now not working manup and pay the ground staff themselves to keep the ground in good condition ready for when they go back to earn there disgusting wage.They could also all put into a fund to help the NHS . the other point my daughter in law doe’s hearing test’s for the NHS she is now front line staff never been in a hospital let alone worked on a ward but how many hospital managers will be told to gown up and help on the ward’s.You’re picking out a sector of the community when all around us there are equally as rich people who could be doing exactly the same as you’re proposing. You’re aiming for the lowest hanging fruit on the tree, when you should be aiming at those running these organisations. Think of this - those footballers you’re running down could (for all you or I know) be already contributing without a single whiff of publicity. I know several who do - day-in, day-out. They ask for nothing in return because they know how their efforts will be spun against them on social media. You’ve plucked out of the air an idea of how players could contribute to a fund for the NHS. Who would setup this fund? How would it be run? How would the money be distributed across the system? Do you not think that at this moment in time the administrators in the Civil Service are already stretched to their limit coping with holding the country together? Please, please be sensible instead of leaping onto some sort of jealousy-fuelled rant again those who have riches. Not all of them are bad - and they certainly don’t all need tarring with the same brush because it might suit you.
Excellent post. There is no need to pick out just footballers.
In this time we all need to stick together.
£2,500 a month for everyone. Not just those on furlough.
I can’t see a way to do that Why because there is an extremely nasty virus killing hundreds of people a day, should all of a sudden should the government pay Pensioner’s those out of work ,those in work and everyone else in the country £2500 a month it makes no sense. My point was that football club’s have said they can’t afford to pay the ground staff but will carry on paying the player’s unless they agree to some sort of pay cut. The player’s should remember if it wasn’t for the ground staff they would not have a pitch to play on so they could help the club’s out.Even the great Harry Redknapp has said as much,so sorry to upset all you rich people but it’s fact.
Anybody can pay an amount,small or large,to any charities of their choice from their take-home wage by means of a voluntary donation.i pay 4 charities every month from my old age and private pensions.
gerbil sb152:
I can’t see a way to do that Why because there is an extremely nasty virus killing hundreds of people a day, should all of a sudden should the government pay Pensioner’s those out of work ,those in work and everyone else in the country £2500 a month it makes no sense. My point was that football club’s have said they can’t afford to pay the ground staff but will carry on paying the player’s unless they agree to some sort of pay cut. The player’s should remember if it wasn’t for the ground staff they would not have a pitch to play on so they could help the club’s out.Even the great Harry Redknapp has said as much,so sorry to upset all you rich people but it’s fact.
Sorry, mate. I was being a bit silly with my post. Largely I think you’re right.
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Rich footie club owners are taking Government money (our taxes) to pay lower paid staff on furlough, whilst choosing to pay the full amount to the players.
Those players are in a much better position to have savings and be able to take a hit, rather than ground or support staff.
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Apparently the Professional Footballers Association pointed out that if they took a pay cut, the Gov would loose tax, (fair point) and it would be the owners who gained.
They didn’t agree as a body to give any monies to medical or other charity, although some encouraging them to.
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And I Marky’s accusations of jealousy, and his support for IMHO the excessive pay of footballers uncalled for.
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And what I meant in that earlier post was that during this crisis everyone should be paid 2,500 per month max. If that’s enough for those on furlough that’s enough for all.
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Latest load totals news
Yesterday about level with last Tuesday’s total, which again is higher than “normal” - if we ever do return to normal! Today’s figure is slightly higher than last Wednesday, we’re seeing some further uplift for Easter, but nothing like the uplift with a “normal” Easter, but the base total is higher this year. Frozen full loads and frozen groupage loads are a bit healthier yesterday and today, influenced by several full loads of frozen Hot Cross buns being delivered from the cold store to various destinations.
One of the large sliced bread bakeries we deliver to now and again has temporarily closed down and furloughed its employees. It only opened last year to supply sandwich makers, but with most of the outlets for ready made sandwiches closed then the bakery doesn’t have any business.
Yes please 2 500 per month beats my /our/my wife of 1.368, all in yes my fault,not really. only BRS still pays a small pension,the only company I worked for in general haulage that did.
Maybe I am not understanding this but the way I interpret this £2500 was a maximum or am I misunderstanding this figure, for some this would be far more than they would normally earn so can any one put some clarity on this figure please, Buzzer.
Buzzer:
Maybe I am not understanding this but the way I interpret this £2500 was a maximum or am I misunderstanding this figure, for some this would be far more than they would normally earn so can any one put some clarity on this figure please, Buzzer.
Yes furloughed workers get 80% of their regular pay up to a max of 2,500 per month paid by the Gov.
Several other rules but that’s the basics.
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Maybe I am not understanding this but the way I interpret this £2500 was a maximum or am I misunderstanding this figure, for some this would be far more than they would normally earn so can any one put some clarity on this figure please, Buzzer.Yes furloughed workers get 80% of their regular pay up to a max of 2,500 per month paid by the Gov.
Several other rules but that’s the basics.
That means an average wage of £3125 per month roughly £750 a week, maybe I am out of kilter but there are many working that would not achieve that figure. The other thing I would like to know is do the recipients have to pay tax and NI on the monies received ? just wondering if that’s the case.Buzzer.
Buzzer:
Franglais:
Buzzer:
Maybe I am not understanding this but the way I interpret this £2500 was a maximum or am I misunderstanding this figure, for some this would be far more than they would normally earn so can any one put some clarity on this figure please, Buzzer.Yes furloughed workers get 80% of their regular pay up to a max of 2,500 per month paid by the Gov.
Several other rules but that’s the basics.That means an average wage of £3125 per month roughly £750 a week, maybe I am out of kilter but there are many working that would not achieve that figure. The other thing I would like to know is do the recipients have to pay tax and NI on the monies received ? just wondering if that’s the case.Buzzer.
No its a maximum of £576.92 per week maximum no matter who you are or what you earn, or 80% of your average wages, so if your average top line pay is £600 per week you will get £480 per week. Subsistence, bonus payments, or expenses are not paid. The furlough payment is subject to normal deductions for income tax, pension and NI.
There is a common misunderstanding that the government pays the furloughed employee directly, but they don’t. The employer pays the furlough amount to their employee then it is claimed back from the government by the employer. However there is a minimum three weeks gap between an employer paying out and receiving the government money. This is going to stretch many firms that pay weekly wages (as most still do in my experience). They have to fund 80% of the payroll for three weeks without any revenue coming into the business if it is closed down.
The RHA estimates that 47% of the hire and reward sector is closed down.
Credit where it’s due:
Southampton footballers have deferred some of their salary during COVID crisis.
I haven’t seen all the details but looks like a move in the right direction.
Well done.
Back load Rates and strong evidence of rate cutting.
So we have another consequence of the virus directly affecting this industry. I receive several Emails each day from one of the UK’s biggest hauliers offering back loads on one of its contracts. We haven’t done any work for them for a couple of years because the rates were poor and there were always delays loading and tipping, Demurrage wasn’t paid. Last week I had an Email from them saying that they had reduced their already poor rates because of the reduction in the price of diesel.
Also definite evidence that some hauliers who have vehicles without work are going round rate cutting to get work. Speaking to one respected haulier today and he has lost work to a rate cutter who undercut him by 15% on a job. As he said, so much for customer loyalty.
gingerfold:
Back load Rates and strong evidence of rate cutting.So we have another consequence of the virus directly affecting this industry. I receive several Emails each day from one of the UK’s biggest hauliers offering back loads on one of its contracts. We haven’t done any work for them for a couple of years because the rates were poor and there were always delays loading and tipping, Demurrage wasn’t paid. Last week I had an Email from them saying that they had reduced their already poor rates because of the reduction in the price of diesel.
Also definite evidence that some hauliers who have vehicles without work are going round rate cutting to get work. Speaking to one respected haulier today and he has lost work to a rate cutter who undercut him by 15% on a job. As he said, so much for customer loyalty.
Much the same as one of the major supermarkets buying in substandard beef from Poland when what they ought to be doing is supporting the British farmers in there time of need, in the markets the price per kilo on killing beef fell again this week by about 15/20p per kilo also dairy farmers are tipping milk down the drain and that cannot be right, many have been producing that commodity at a loss as it is, what do we here no milk to be had in the supermarkets so what is going on.
As for rate cutting there is nothing new there and to say its because the lowering of the price of a litre of diesel, just wait till this Covid19 is over and watch it rocket up then, as always its supply and demand, Buzzer
gingerfold:
Back load Rates and strong evidence of rate cutting.So we have another consequence of the virus directly affecting this industry. I receive several Emails each day from one of the UK’s biggest hauliers offering back loads on one of its contracts. We haven’t done any work for them for a couple of years because the rates were poor and there were always delays loading and tipping, Demurrage wasn’t paid. Last week I had an Email from them saying that they had reduced their already poor rates because of the reduction in the price of diesel.
Also definite evidence that some hauliers who have vehicles without work are going round rate cutting to get work. Speaking to one respected haulier today and he has lost work to a rate cutter who undercut him by 15% on a job. As he said, so much for customer loyalty.
Adblue in the diesel works wonders for these rate cutters.
Ha,
I accidentally put 8ltrs of ad blue in my man this week but topped it up with 280 ltrs of derv,
So far so good,lol.
marky:
gerbil sb152:
Just to throw in my twopeneth, it was said some football clubs are going to put ground staff that would only be on minimum wage on the furlough scheme why cant the player’s that are now not working manup and pay the ground staff themselves to keep the ground in good condition ready for when they go back to earn there disgusting wage.They could also all put into a fund to help the NHS . the other point my daughter in law doe’s hearing test’s for the NHS she is now front line staff never been in a hospital let alone worked on a ward but how many hospital managers will be told to gown up and help on the ward’s.You’re picking out a sector of the community when all around us there are equally as rich people who could be doing exactly the same as you’re proposing. You’re aiming for the lowest hanging fruit on the tree, when you should be aiming at those running these organisations. Think of this - those footballers you’re running down could (for all you or I know) be already contributing without a single whiff of publicity. I know several who do - day-in, day-out. They ask for nothing in return because they know how their efforts will be spun against them on social media. You’ve plucked out of the air an idea of how players could contribute to a fund for the NHS. Who would setup this fund? How would it be run? How would the money be distributed across the system? Do you not think that at this moment in time the administrators in the Civil Service are already stretched to their limit coping with holding the country together? Please, please be sensible instead of leaping onto some sort of jealousy-fuelled rant again those who have riches. Not all of them are bad - and they certainly don’t all need tarring with the same brush because it might suit you.
I don’t think the point being made was to do with what rich people do with their money, more to do with why they get so much.
It was not that long ago that football clubs (not all) were “lending” the players money in an attempt to avoid paying tax, I think this does not send out the right message to the general public, not to mention the fans.
Harvey
HRS:
I don’t think the point being made was to do with what rich people do with their money, more to do with why they get so much.
It was not that long ago that football clubs (not all) were “lending” the players money in an attempt to avoid paying tax, I think this does not send out the right message to the general public, not to mention the fans.
Harvey
What was upsetting me was,
A big business like a football club, taking Government (our taxpayers) money to pay the poorly paid workers just 80%, but, paying their stars all of their thousands per week. . Others may have had different viewpoints.
Listening to the daily press briefing yesterday and the PPE situation for all working in the NHS, care homes, surgeries etc. Matt Hancock was finally forced to admit that we didn’t have a manufacturing base in the UK for most of this PPE which is now paramount for all health care workers on the front line. It beggars belief that we have previously bought the majority of PPE from abroad rather than NHS procurement management supporting UK based manufacturers. Matt Hancock is now appealing for UK manufacturers to step up to the plate and supply the NHS. Obviously it’s a great opportunity for some manufacturers to do the business. If I had a business that could supply what the NHS wants I think I’d be looking for a (very) long term contract of supply.
Earlier this week I also caught part of a repeat Hard Talk programme where Stephen Sackur was interviewing the CEO of Daimler Benz (Mercedes). The CEO was basically defending globalisation but had to concede that much of the worldwide travelling done by senior Mercedes executives would be unnecessary in future because video conferencing, Skype etc. can replace it. It seems that there are concerns about the financial liquidity of Daimler Benz if the worldwide lockdown continues for any length of time. The CEO denied this of course, but he definitely came across as a worried individual.
gingerfold:
Listening to the daily press briefing yesterday and the PPE situation for all working in the NHS, care homes, surgeries etc. Matt Hancock was finally forced to admit that we didn’t have a manufacturing base in the UK for most of this PPE which is now paramount for all health care workers on the front line. It beggars belief that we have previously bought the majority of PPE from abroad rather than NHS procurement management supporting UK based manufacturers. Matt Hancock is now appealing for UK manufacturers to step up to the plate and supply the NHS. Obviously it’s a great opportunity for some manufacturers to do the business. If I had a business that could supply what the NHS wants I think I’d be looking for a (very) long term contract of supply.Earlier this week I also caught part of a repeat Hard Talk programme where Stephen Sackur was interviewing the CEO of Daimler Benz (Mercedes). The CEO was basically defending globalisation but had to concede that much of the worldwide travelling done by senior Mercedes executives would be unnecessary in future because video conferencing, Skype etc. can replace it. It seems that there are concerns about the financial liquidity of Daimler Benz if the worldwide lockdown continues for any length of time. The CEO denied this of course, but he definitely came across as a worried individual.
I haven`t heard that episode, bit I am a fan of Sackur on “HARDTalk”. Think this is it:
bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3csy94s