When I get pro-jab advocates stating that these jabs don’t stop contagion, don’t stop transmission and mearly masks the effects of Covid, making the carrier more likely to infect others, my work is done…
LazyDriver:
God man are you that dumb? That is exactly my point! So why was the previous procedures only making the un-jabbed get tested■■? (I can actually help you out if you’re struggling for an answer.) It’s political, not a health issue.
Absolute nonsense:
It is very much a health issue.
We have decisions being made about health issues by those who clearly don`t have a clue about it.
LazyDriver:
But when your sage advice lacks supportive data, it’s probably best ignored, un-deciphered and left alone.
What?
If advice has no supportive data it is less good that any advice supported by data.
SAGE however had access to more and better data than any other UK entity Im aware of, and have the expertise to interpret those data as well as anyone. SAGE are not infallible Gods of course, but who are better to give all round advice? . *Decisions* about who does /doesnt get jabbed are political decisions. Yes.
But they are a health issue.
LazyDriver:
When I get pro-jab advocates stating that these jabs don’t stop contagion, don’t stop transmission and mearly masks the effects of Covid, making the carrier more likely to infect others, my work is done…
Vaccines make transmission less likely but don`t stop it altogether. (as you say)
Vaccines make effects of Covid less severe. (as you say)
Stopping vaccines would lead to
More Covid cases
More severe effects from those cases
More deaths
Do you dispute any of that?
So vaccine = less death and disease.
No vaccine = more death and disease.
Now tell us whether vaccines are a good idea or not?
LazyDriver:
When I get pro-jab advocates stating that these jabs don’t stop contagion, don’t stop transmission and mearly masks the effects of Covid, making the carrier more likely to infect others, my work is done…
Eh?
THE VACCINE STOPS YOU DYING OR GETTING SERIOUSLY ILL. Is that what you mean by “masks the effect of covid?” Yeah - it masks the effects by stopping you dying.
If thats not a health issue I dont know what is.
Went into town this morning and 100 % mask wearing in shops , not just old as suggested , but young as well , good to see
I know I’ve been taking the ■■■■, but ffs…c’mon 27 pages?
I’ll try and sum it up.
Wear your masks or don’t who tf really CARES other than the unhealthy, the busy body and the paranoid.
So now we HAVE to by law 
…
Me?
Sure I’ll reluctantly wear it not because I suffer from covid paranoia like some on here, not because I’m a serial conformist, (again like some on here) but mainly for the reason of it would grieve me giving these sad assed ■■■■ ‘covid marshalls’ on doors of shops etc the chance to make their sad uneventful day by telling me to put it on. 
I know this stuff is kinda serious in many ways, but why are some if you letting this crap pre occupy so much of your time, by actually trawling the internet to gain info to make your point, the more info you gather the more paranoid you all get.
Life sends us challenges, that is what life is all about… this is just another of these challenges, try and deal with it as you will, but not as far as being on the border of locking yourselves up in a bunker wearing a tin foil suit.
My way?
I don’t want to catch it obviously, but I’m trying my best just to ‘‘get on with it’’ and get on with my life alongside it.
If I catch it…tough ■■■■, again that’s life, hopefully I will be like most guys I know who have had it,.and feel like crap for about 10 days,.and move on.
But if I’m one of the unlucky ones,.so be it, no regrets, as Frank says …‘‘I did it my way’’.
So ffs get on with your lives (and/or actually get a life) and shut the ■■■■ up about all this. 
Leave the worrying, the research and the action to the EXPERTS.
Sounds like British Brainwashing Corporation
robroy:
I know I’ve been taking the ■■■■, but ffs…c’mon 27 pages?
I’ll try and sum it up.
Wear your masks or don’t who tf really CARES other than the unhealthy, the busy body and the paranoid.So now we HAVE to by law
Me?
Sure I’ll reluctantly wear it not because I suffer from covid paranoia like some on here, not because I’m a serial conformist, (again like some on here) but mainly for the reason of it would grieve me giving these sad assed [zb] ‘covid marshalls’ on doors of shops etc the chance to make their sad uneventful day by telling me to put it on.I know this stuff is kinda serious in many ways, but why are some if you letting this crap pre occupy so much of your time, by actually trawling the internet to gain info to make your point, the more info you gather the more paranoid you all get.
Life sends us challenges, that is what life is all about… this is just another of these challenges, try and deal with it as you will, but not as far as being on the border of locking yourselves up in a bunker wearing a tin foil suit.
My way?
I don’t want to catch it obviously, but I’m trying my best just to ‘‘get on with it’’ and get on with my life alongside it.
If I catch it…tough [zb], again that’s life, hopefully I will be like most guys I know who have had it,.and feel like crap for about 10 days,.and move on.
But if I’m one of the unlucky ones,.so be it, no regrets, as Frank says …‘‘I did it my way’’.So ffs get on with your lives (and/or actually get a life) and shut the [zb] up about all this.
Leave the worrying, the research and the action to the EXPERTS.
Yes 27 pages… and you still dont get it do you? If people dont believe rules and laws are sensible they will not obey them much…sound familiar?
Tell a five year old kid “Do not play with matches”. Will that stop them?
Convince them it is dangerous (it is by the way) they may stop playing with matches.
If you get ill or die because of your actions? One thing.
If others get ill or die because of your actions? Another thing. Never mind, Rob knows a Sinatra song and got to wear a cool looking mask (when forced to) instead of one that works.
robroy:
Leave the worrying, the research and the action to the EXPERTS.
Research for experts. Agreed. Not facebook meme groups or youtubers.
Action is for everyone. No need to be a screaming drama queen and
robroy:
being on the border of locking yourselves up in a bunker wearing a tin foil suit.
is right. Just a wee bit effort to wear a mask and keep a couple of feet distance in a queue.
Not too hard for old ladies to do, so why is it a problem for some lorry drivers?
Worrying? Well I have concern for those who may be less healthy than myself. I am worried by those who are too stupid or too selfish to take simple measures to help others.
I am not at all worried however about whether my mask “looks cool”, or whether or not I my actions “conform” with any particular group.
robroy:
as Frank says …‘‘I did it my way’’.
S.
I once did it sideways.
robroy:
I know I’ve been taking the ■■■■, but ffs…c’mon 27 pages?
I’ll try and sum it up.
Wear your masks or don’t who tf really CARES other than the unhealthy, the busy body and the paranoid.So now we HAVE to by law
Me?
Sure I’ll reluctantly wear it not because I suffer from covid paranoia like some on here, not because I’m a serial conformist, (again like some on here) but mainly for the reason of it would grieve me giving these sad assed [zb] ‘covid marshalls’ on doors of shops etc the chance to make their sad uneventful day by telling me to put it on.I know this stuff is kinda serious in many ways, but why are some if you letting this crap pre occupy so much of your time, by actually trawling the internet to gain info to make your point, the more info you gather the more paranoid you all get.
Life sends us challenges, that is what life is all about… this is just another of these challenges, try and deal with it as you will, but not as far as being on the border of locking yourselves up in a bunker wearing a tin foil suit.
My way?
I don’t want to catch it obviously, but I’m trying my best just to ‘‘get on with it’’ and get on with my life alongside it.
If I catch it…tough [zb], again that’s life, hopefully I will be like most guys I know who have had it,.and feel like crap for about 10 days,.and move on.
But if I’m one of the unlucky ones,.so be it, no regrets, as Frank says …‘‘I did it my way’’.So ffs get on with your lives (and/or actually get a life) and shut the [zb] up about all this.
Leave the worrying, the research and the action to the EXPERTS.
Sorry, but that’s rubbish. We should not accept these restrictions on our liberty. The measures are mostly a load of nonsense. Masks just promote the fear. Travel restrictions have done nothing to stop the spread. Our care system will now be decimated because of the no jab no job policy and the NHS will follow next year after they have worked hard all winter, so much for clapping for them.
We should not comply, we should protest against all the compulsory measures. It’s all a political and money making and ar$e covering farce. Nothing to do with health. ( Far more will die due to lack of access to medical care)
Has anyone read 1984 by George Orwell, if not ,I will give anyone one for a Christmas present regards Jim B .
stu675:
robroy:
I know I’ve been taking the ■■■■■ but ffs…c’mon 27 pages?
I’ll try and sum it up.
Wear your masks or don’t who tf really CARES other than the unhealthy, the busy body and the paranoid.So now we HAVE to by law
Me?
Sure I’ll reluctantly wear it not because I suffer from covid paranoia like some on here, not because I’m a serial conformist, (again like some on here) but mainly for the reason of it would grieve me giving these sad assed [zb] ‘covid marshalls’ on doors of shops etc the chance to make their sad uneventful day by telling me to put it on.I know this stuff is kinda serious in many ways, but why are some if you letting this crap pre occupy so much of your time, by actually trawling the internet to gain info to make your point, the more info you gather the more paranoid you all get.
Life sends us challenges, that is what life is all about… this is just another of these challenges, try and deal with it as you will, but not as far as being on the border of locking yourselves up in a bunker wearing a tin foil suit.
My way?
I don’t want to catch it obviously, but I’m trying my best just to ‘‘get on with it’’ and get on with my life alongside it.
If I catch it…tough [zb], again that’s life, hopefully I will be like most guys I know who have had it,.and feel like crap for about 10 days,.and move on.
But if I’m one of the unlucky ones,.so be it, no regrets, as Frank says …‘‘I did it my way’’.So ffs get on with your lives (and/or actually get a life) and shut the [zb] up about all this.
Leave the worrying, the research and the action to the EXPERTS.Sorry, but that’s rubbish. We should not accept these restrictions on our liberty. The measures are mostly a load of nonsense. Masks just promote the fear. Travel restrictions have done nothing to stop the spread. Our care system will now be decimated because of the no jab no job policy and the NHS will follow next year after they have worked hard all winter, so much for clapping for them.
We should not comply, we should protest against all the compulsory measures. It’s all a political and money making and ar$e covering farce. Nothing to do with health. ( Far more will die due to lack of access to medical care)
If you think that’s rubbish, fair enough I aint fussed what you think tbh.
Good luck with the organised protests btw, let me know how you get on. 
You can’t get half a dozen drivers to protest about in cab cameras and the like, never mind a countrywide full blown anarchy scenario.
I’ll just carry on with my rubbish way of dealing with it in the meantime.
stu675:
robroy:
I know I’ve been taking the ■■■■, but ffs…c’mon 27 pages?
I’ll try and sum it up.
Wear your masks or don’t who tf really CARES other than the unhealthy, the busy body and the paranoid.So now we HAVE to by law
Me?
Sure I’ll reluctantly wear it not because I suffer from covid paranoia like some on here, not because I’m a serial conformist, (again like some on here) but mainly for the reason of it would grieve me giving these sad assed [zb] ‘covid marshalls’ on doors of shops etc the chance to make their sad uneventful day by telling me to put it on.I know this stuff is kinda serious in many ways, but why are some if you letting this crap pre occupy so much of your time, by actually trawling the internet to gain info to make your point, the more info you gather the more paranoid you all get.
Life sends us challenges, that is what life is all about… this is just another of these challenges, try and deal with it as you will, but not as far as being on the border of locking yourselves up in a bunker wearing a tin foil suit.
My way?
I don’t want to catch it obviously, but I’m trying my best just to ‘‘get on with it’’ and get on with my life alongside it.
If I catch it…tough [zb], again that’s life, hopefully I will be like most guys I know who have had it,.and feel like crap for about 10 days,.and move on.
But if I’m one of the unlucky ones,.so be it, no regrets, as Frank says …‘‘I did it my way’’.So ffs get on with your lives (and/or actually get a life) and shut the [zb] up about all this.
Leave the worrying, the research and the action to the EXPERTS.Sorry, but that’s rubbish. We should not accept these restrictions on our liberty. The measures are mostly a load of nonsense. Masks just promote the fear. Travel restrictions have done nothing to stop the spread. Our care system will now be decimated because of the no jab no job policy and the NHS will follow next year after they have worked hard all winter, so much for clapping for them.
We should not comply, we should protest against all the compulsory measures. It’s all a political and money making and ar$e covering farce. Nothing to do with health. ( Far more will die due to lack of access to medical care)
You say masks just promote fear - have you ever seen a doctor operating on someone? What do they wear on their face? Why do they do that? Is it because they are sheeple? Or is it cos masks help prevent germs spreading? You only get one guess.
stu675:
Sorry, but that’s rubbish. We should not accept these restrictions on our liberty. The measures are mostly a load of nonsense. Masks just promote the fear. Travel restrictions have done nothing to stop the spread. Our care system will now be decimated because of the no jab no job policy and the NHS will follow next year after they have worked hard all winter, so much for clapping for them.
We should not comply, we should protest against all the compulsory measures. It’s all a political and money making and ar$e covering farce. Nothing to do with health. ( Far more will die due to lack of access to medical care)
Do you think we should all have less restrictions on our liberties?
Should I be free to thump your granny if I want to? Or do you think that is a fair liberty for me to to loose?
What particular part of “your liberty” are you worried about?
I don`t think you should be at liberty to cough and sneeze over my granny. Do you have some really pressing reason to be able to do so?
The countries with the strongest travel restrictions tend to have the smallest covid problems. Aus, NZ.
Those with the openest borders are the opposite.
stu675:
Travel restrictions have done nothing to stop the spread.
? No.
stu675:
( Far more will die due to lack of access to medical care)
It is of course true that all actions will have adverse consequences. In the real world nothing is 100% good nor bad.
Got any figures to support “far more”?
So far about 10m have been affected by covid in the UK
145, 000 died.
If we let it run free another 55ish million would get it and about
800,000 more would die.
So how many are dying because of lack of care?
More than the almost one million who would be lost to covid in your plan?
The dead and their families sure have lost a lot of liberties, by the way, y`know living, breathing etc.
Protest all you want. I`m all for free speech.
Fortunately the majority of people in the UK seem to be OK wearing a mask to protect others, and are unlikely to be with you and yours no matter how noisily you scream, shout, and stamp your fully liberated littlefeet.
LazyDriver:
Monkey241:
Someone hasn’t grasped any of the science regarding testing…I’m cancer free… that’s not to say tomorrow I will be
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So you are saying the whole testing travel arrangements are a little wooley! Ah, we speak the same language…
I very much doubt that
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Franglais:
“The power that be” surely includes the person who a couple of years ago was shouting “hey I’m still shaking hands”, who later caught COVID, hospitalised by it, and now is maskless in hospitals.
Does anyone think “,The powers that be” should be making decisions about covid precautions?
.
Hey I’m shaking hands … with hospital staff before the decision to stop shaking hands was taken
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Just to put it in perspective - 70,000 died in the blitz which we still remember - covid has snuffed out 145,000. So lets not get too blase about it.
Just imagine how antivaxxers would have coped in the blitz “you mean I have to get out of bed and sit in a cold bunker for hours while someone drops explosives on my house?”.
These days its " you mean i have to wear a mask for 2 minutes in a crowded place? How dare you"
Monkey241:
Franglais:
“The power that be” surely includes the person who a couple of years ago was shouting “hey I’m still shaking hands”, who later caught COVID, hospitalised by it, and now is maskless in hospitals.
Does anyone think “,The powers that be” should be making decisions about covid precautions?
.Hey I’m shaking hands … with hospital staff before the decision to stop shaking hands was taken
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Johnson was talking about shaking hands on the day SAGE advised against it. 4th March.
He was still shaking hands days later with Philip Schofield and Anthony Joshua.
There was previous to this time a debate about whether or not to shake hands. That is after all why SAGE spoke about it.
Johnson spoke loudly about it before the experts had said “yes” or “no”.
Criminal. No.
But given the gains of hand-shaking, vs the risks known at that time,, although not officially pronounced upon, I think taking the most prudent course say “don`t” might have been best, keeping schtum would have been OK, but the course he took to actually boast of it was definitely wrong.
So long as there was debate, why did he speak of it at all?
Healthy people will survive…the vaccine was for the old and frail with health issues, or have any of you forgot about that.
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Franglais:
robroy:
I know I’ve been taking the ■■■■, but ffs…c’mon 27 pages?
I’ll try and sum it up.
Wear your masks or don’t who tf really CARES other than the unhealthy, the busy body and the paranoid.So now we HAVE to by law
Me?
Sure I’ll reluctantly wear it not because I suffer from covid paranoia like some on here, not because I’m a serial conformist, (again like some on here) but mainly for the reason of it would grieve me giving these sad assed [zb] ‘covid marshalls’ on doors of shops etc the chance to make their sad uneventful day by telling me to put it on.I know this stuff is kinda serious in many ways, but why are some if you letting this crap pre occupy so much of your time, by actually trawling the internet to gain info to make your point, the more info you gather the more paranoid you all get.
Life sends us challenges, that is what life is all about… this is just another of these challenges, try and deal with it as you will, but not as far as being on the border of locking yourselves up in a bunker wearing a tin foil suit.
My way?
I don’t want to catch it obviously, but I’m trying my best just to ‘‘get on with it’’ and get on with my life alongside it.
If I catch it…tough [zb], again that’s life, hopefully I will be like most guys I know who have had it,.and feel like crap for about 10 days,.and move on.
But if I’m one of the unlucky ones,.so be it, no regrets, as Frank says …‘‘I did it my way’’.So ffs get on with your lives (and/or actually get a life) and shut the [zb] up about all this.
Leave the worrying, the research and the action to the EXPERTS.Yes 27 pages… and you still don
t get it do you? If people dont believe rules and laws are sensible they will not obey them much…sound familiar?Tell a five year old kid “Do not play with matches”. Will that stop them?
Convince them it is dangerous (it is by the way) they may stop playing with matches.If you get ill or die because of your actions? One thing.
If others get ill or die because of your actions? Another thing. Never mind, Rob knows a Sinatra song and got to wear a cool looking mask (when forced to) instead of one that works.robroy:
Leave the worrying, the research and the action to the EXPERTS.Research for experts. Agreed. Not facebook meme groups or youtubers.
Action is for everyone. No need to be a screaming drama queen and
robroy:
being on the border of locking yourselves up in a bunker wearing a tin foil suit.is right. Just a wee bit effort to wear a mask and keep a couple of feet distance in a queue.
Not too hard for old ladies to do, so why is it a problem for some lorry drivers?Worrying? Well I have concern for those who may be less healthy than myself. I am worried by those who are too stupid or too selfish to take simple measures to help others.
I am not at all worried however about whether my mask “looks cool”, or whether or not I my actions “conform” with any particular group.
Franglais mate., on the contrary, I DO get it.
Whatever I say it will not change your fascination, pre.occupation and shear obsession with all this.
Your 5 year old kid analogy does not stand up, we are all adults, so despite your patronising implication,.mist of us are capable of sorting the truth from what they want us to believe.
There are as many theories that refute the relavance of masks., than what they are telling us they are essential, like I say…THEORIES. 
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As for proof you can prove anything by massaging stats, including those of deaths WITH Covid with those BECAUSE of Covid.
The irony of YOU calling someone a screaming drama queen on all this, has obviously gone over your head btw.
If you want all this to pre occupy your time rather than just get on with it, crack on, I’ll just carry on with the latter.
Btw your little jibes at my attempt at humour has been noted.
You say you have me worked out, evidently not., because when I know I have got under somebody’s skin slightly,.it just makes me worse in the art of ■■■■■■■■■ . 