jakethesnake:
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccines-idUSL1N2M70MW
It’s a technicality though isn’t it. It’s semantics.
The reality is, a vaccine was pushed through, rightly or wrongly, very very quickly with unusually low clinical trial periods, and with legal immunity for the pharmaceutical companies involved.
Usually that would be regarded as experimental or prototyping. If there is long term effects we can’t possibly know that until the long term horizon comes into picture.
In terms of long term consequences it’s very much experimental, because that’s no bloody data for it mate…
People have every right to be sceptical.
Thalidomide.
Ever heard of that?
jakethesnake:
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccines-idUSL1N2M70MW
Full of references and links! Stuff we can check up on.
Not someone saying:
“Don’t trust the experts”
And simultaneously
“But you can trust me, because, I’m a doctor.”
flammen:
jakethesnake:
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccines-idUSL1N2M70MWIt’s a technicality though isn’t it. It’s semantics.
The reality is, a vaccine was pushed through, rightly or wrongly, very very quickly with unusually low clinical trial periods, and with legal immunity for the pharmaceutical companies involved.
Usually that would be regarded as experimental or prototyping. If there is long term effects we can’t possibly know that until the long term horizon comes into picture.
In terms of long term consequences it’s very much experimental, because that’s no bloody data for it mate…
People have every right to be sceptical.
Thalidomide.
Ever heard of that?
Do we know the long term effects of the COVID vaccines? No, we don’t.
Do we know the long term effects of other vaccines? Yes, and they aren’t bad. Certainly not as bad contracting the deseaes they control.
.
(Thalidomide is not a vaccine, by the by.)
.
Do we know the long term effects of COVID vaccines? No, we don’t.
Do we know the long term effects of catching COVID? Not yet, but there is lots of evidence of the medium term effects. Of course there is “long covid”, and scarring of lungs in victims.
Are there longer term effects? We don’t know, because it had he been around that long.
.
Are there people worried about possible bad effects from the jab? Yes, for a variety of reasons, some more logical than others.
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We all make our own minds up about whether or not to get the jab. Those who choose differently to me, are quite entitled to be WRONG*! It’s a free country.
.
.
*joke
Franglais:
flammen:
jakethesnake:
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccines-idUSL1N2M70MWIt’s a technicality though isn’t it. It’s semantics.
The reality is, a vaccine was pushed through, rightly or wrongly, very very quickly with unusually low clinical trial periods, and with legal immunity for the pharmaceutical companies involved.
Usually that would be regarded as experimental or prototyping. If there is long term effects we can’t possibly know that until the long term horizon comes into picture.
In terms of long term consequences it’s very much experimental, because that’s no bloody data for it mate…
People have every right to be sceptical.
Thalidomide.
Ever heard of that?
Do we know the long term effects of the COVID vaccines? No, we don’t.
Do we know the long term effects of other vaccines? Yes, and they aren’t bad. Certainly not as bad contracting the deseaes they control.
.
(Thalidomide is not a vaccine, by the by.)
.
Do we know the long term effects of COVID vaccines? No, we don’t.
Do we know the long term effects of catching COVID? Not yet, but there is lots of evidence of the medium term effects. Of course there is “long covid”, and scarring of lungs in victims.
Are there longer term effects? We don’t know, because it had he been around that long.
.
Are there people worried about possible bad effects from the jab? Yes, for a variety of reasons, some more logical than others.
.
We all make our own minds up about whether or not to get the jab. Those who choose differently to me, are quite entitled to be WRONG*! It’s a free country.
.
.
*joke
The fact that you assume I don’t know Thalidomide isn’t a vaccine shows that you’ve a bias against people who have a cautious approach to this particular vaccine.
We were discussing what’s classified as “experimental” and this particular drug wasn’t defined as experimental by bigpharma, they just jammed it down everyones throats via a pack of lies.
The point is, all of a sudden people wanna trust big pharma?? Well, I don’t, never have and never will. If I choose to take a medication its because I’m ignorant and don’t know another alternative or there IS no other alternative. The alternative to this vaccine is just getting the virus and being done with it. If people respect isolation guidelines this need never be an issue.
You fail to realise that declining medical intervention isn’t WRONG, neither is accepting it, it’s a personal choice and that’s that. But you really do get a sense that anyone who has a position that’s indifferent or against a covid vaccine is automatically put in a category of “■■■■■■” by those pious about it with scant interest in their reasons why.
That’s what grinds my gears the most. Taking and not taking the vaccine are both valid positions, wish people would see that.
flammen:
jakethesnake:
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccines-idUSL1N2M70MWIt’s a technicality though isn’t it. It’s semantics.
The reality is, a vaccine was pushed through, rightly or wrongly, very very quickly with unusually low clinical trial periods, and with legal immunity for the pharmaceutical companies involved.
Usually that would be regarded as experimental or prototyping. If there is long term effects we can’t possibly know that until the long term horizon comes into picture.
In terms of long term consequences it’s very much experimental, because that’s no bloody data for it mate…
People have every right to be sceptical.
Thalidomide.
Ever heard of that?
As a late teenager I took a medication called Roaccutane- isotretinoin. It’s brill at clearing up acne. I had acne on my back. At one stage over 250 separate spots - many were infected. I was suffering from mild blood poisoning so felt unwell. Something had to be done!
As I said those tablets were great at clearing acne and they did… But, they also caused me to lose hair in patches and not just from my head. “Dont worry” said the specialist doc. It will grow back.
It didnt -and I ended up with bald patches all over by the age of 20.
“Oh yes, it might not grow back” I was told.
Afterwards when it obviously wasn’t going to…
Frankly, doctors have a good idea of what may or may not happen. But they haven’t got a crystal ball. Anyone that has complete faith in the Covid vaccine is naive. It’s simply too early to say if it is safe. The politicians and medics want a quick fix for Covid. Waiting for a suitable period of testing isn’t an option.
That said I’ve had my jabs. The balance of probability weighs in the favour of so doing.
Covid may have long term effects like many, many other illnesses. But I suspect the vast majority will have no long term ill effects and the media hype surrounding it could just as easily be centred around a far more worrying “long term effect illness” such as type 1 diabetes. But diabetes isnt new and hasn’t had a scaremongering fear arrow shot at it, so it wouldn’t really work.
Given the choice between an illness such as type 1 diabetes and Covid I’d be picking Covid every time.
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jakethesnake:
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccines-idUSL1N2M70MW
Watch the video link i posted on this thread last week and it will all make sense to you hopefully.
Reuters who have ties to pfizer and the World Economic Forum. See link below
One for you. 
Give over Jake, next you’ll be giving me links of Dr Communist Hilary off the telly
Truckulent:
As a late teenager I took a medication called Roaccutane- isotretinoin. It’s brill at clearing up acne. I had acne on my back. At one stage over 250 separate spots - many were infected. I was suffering from mild blood poisoning so felt unwell. Something had to be done!As I said those tablets were great at clearing acne and they did… But, they also caused me to lose hair in patches and not just from my head. “Dont worry” said the specialist doc. It will grow back.
It didnt -and I ended up with bald patches all over by the age of 20.
“Oh yes, it might not grow back” I was told.
Afterwards when it obviously wasn’t going to…Frankly, doctors have a good idea of what may or may not happen. But they haven’t got a crystal ball. Anyone that has complete faith in the Covid vaccine is naive. It’s simply too early to say if it is safe. The politicians and medics want a quick fix for Covid. Waiting for a suitable period of testing isn’t an option.
That said I’ve had my jabs. The balance of probability weighs in the favour of so doing.Covid may have long term effects like many, many other illnesses. But I suspect the vast majority will have no long term ill effects and the media hype surrounding it could just as easily be centred around a far more worrying “long term effect illness” such as type 1 diabetes. But diabetes isnt new and hasn’t had a scaremongering fear arrow shot at it, so it wouldn’t really work.
Given the choice between an illness such as type 1 diabetes and Covid I’d be picking Covid every time.
Sorry you got done dirty like that but you’re spot on. You can get anti-depressants like M&M’s now all you have to say is “oh i feel a bit hurty in my feels” and they’ll offer them up like a cure all without any hesitation for the consequences.
Huge rant incoming…
I think the biggest problem is people are so terrified of just saying “I don’t know” instead they start plucking all kinds of claims out of their backside, constantly changing their opinion to whatever the next rhetoric is in a desperate attempt to be taken seriously and appear learned and correct about everything. And for the most part, doctors aren’t much different… sadly. Think those people would ever say “sorry, I got it wrong” to those sceptical that they’ve been turgid towards the whole concept of if the vaccines turn out to have long term health effects? Will they hell… They’ll be saying “yea well, obviously, it could have had long term effects, I never said it wouldn’t!” even though they’ve been nasty little bleeders in all corners of society shutting any dissenters down with dismissive comments and abject apathy because they’re oh so more intelligent than an amoeba like an “anti-vaxer” [a new term they blanket you with if you’re sceptical about the covid jab even if you don’t have an issue with any other vaccine btw].
There’s more balls in risking being wrong in the first place. Loads of academically successful people go on to do horrendously negligent things or just stuff that’s plain wrong, Well I ain’t gonna sit there and say “well they’ve a PhD so they obviously know what they’re doing” and just leave it there when there’s questions that do not have an empirical answer… That’s how you end up with a commie or fascist state. MP’s generally have a way better education than the punters that vote for them. What next? “I’m not a copper or a law maker, I can’t comment on what the correct procedure should be”… it’s beyond a joke to be honest…
It’s this tunnel vision that so many are drawn to, thinking they’re intellectually superior because they attach themselves to what they consider to be intellectually superior ideals. The same tunnel vision that was on EVERY inventor and scientists back during the industrial age, yet these people think they’re forward thinking… They just think everything is easy because they don’t have any faith in their own inquisition.
Reminds me of the people that think AI can do every human job and read everyone’s emotions. First you have to understand HUMANS and we’ve never even gotten that far.
ArcticMonkey:
0
Seen some vid-clips of babies with completely black eyeballs,almost zeta-grey (think prof Whitty) appearances.Quite freaked me at the time and dr Carrie Madej has revealed some very strange images under the microscope recently,possible self-replicating,nano/graphene structures that seem to have a life form element.I wouldn’t be suprised if this is in sync for when the 5G waves are fully ramped up,almost like they’re waiting for the receiving antennas to be fully deployed via the syringe.Evil genius playing out.Henry Makow’s Gab blogs are good for information sources.
flammen:
Truckulent:
As a late teenager I took a medication called Roaccutane- isotretinoin. It’s brill at clearing up acne. I had acne on my back. At one stage over 250 separate spots - many were infected. I was suffering from mild blood poisoning so felt unwell. Something had to be done!As I said those tablets were great at clearing acne and they did… But, they also caused me to lose hair in patches and not just from my head. “Dont worry” said the specialist doc. It will grow back.
It didnt -and I ended up with bald patches all over by the age of 20.
“Oh yes, it might not grow back” I was told.
Afterwards when it obviously wasn’t going to…Frankly, doctors have a good idea of what may or may not happen. But they haven’t got a crystal ball. Anyone that has complete faith in the Covid vaccine is naive. It’s simply too early to say if it is safe. The politicians and medics want a quick fix for Covid. Waiting for a suitable period of testing isn’t an option.
That said I’ve had my jabs. The balance of probability weighs in the favour of so doing.Covid may have long term effects like many, many other illnesses. But I suspect the vast majority will have no long term ill effects and the media hype surrounding it could just as easily be centred around a far more worrying “long term effect illness” such as type 1 diabetes. But diabetes isnt new and hasn’t had a scaremongering fear arrow shot at it, so it wouldn’t really work.
Given the choice between an illness such as type 1 diabetes and Covid I’d be picking Covid every time.
Sorry you got done dirty like that but you’re spot on. You can get anti-depressants like M&M’s now all you have to say is “oh i feel a bit hurty in my feels” and they’ll offer them up like a cure all without any hesitation for the consequences.
Huge rant incoming…
I think the biggest problem is people are so terrified of just saying “I don’t know” instead they start plucking all kinds of claims out of their backside, constantly changing their opinion to whatever the next rhetoric is in a desperate attempt to be taken seriously and appear learned and correct about everything. And for the most part, doctors aren’t much different… sadly. Think those people would ever say “sorry, I got it wrong” to those sceptical that they’ve been turgid towards the whole concept of if the vaccines turn out to have long term health effects? Will they hell… They’ll be saying “yea well, obviously, it could have had long term effects, I never said it wouldn’t!” even though they’ve been nasty little bleeders in all corners of society shutting any dissenters down with dismissive comments and abject apathy because they’re oh so more intelligent than an amoeba like an “anti-vaxer” [a new term they blanket you with if you’re sceptical about the covid jab even if you don’t have an issue with any other vaccine btw].
There’s more balls in risking being wrong in the first place. Loads of academically successful people go on to do horrendously negligent things or just stuff that’s plain wrong, Well I ain’t gonna sit there and say “well they’ve a PhD so they obviously know what they’re doing” and just leave it there when there’s questions that do not have an empirical answer… That’s how you end up with a commie or fascist state. MP’s generally have a way better education than the punters that vote for them. What next? “I’m not a copper or a law maker, I can’t comment on what the correct procedure should be”… it’s beyond a joke to be honest…
It’s this tunnel vision that so many are drawn to, thinking they’re intellectually superior because they attach themselves to what they consider to be intellectually superior ideals. The same tunnel vision that was on EVERY inventor and scientists back during the industrial age, yet these people think they’re forward thinking… They just think everything is easy because they don’t have any faith in their own inquisition.
Reminds me of the people that think AI can do every human job and read everyone’s emotions. First you have to understand HUMANS and we’ve never even gotten that far.
I put it down to strategic ambiguity as the chosen vector in branding the herd.Easy to pull off when ample rewards are there for the taking.The growing number of virologists virulently against all of this is not unsubstantial-Dr’s Yeadon,Mickovitch,Madej,Tenpenny and more are sharing their knowledge,effulgently but why would anyone trust Pfizer,Moderna et al ? especially Moderna with no proven track record of even creating ‘vaccines’ at all?..throw in Fauci,Gates etc 
not exactly reassuring is it ? considering Gate’s eugenics origins but folks have essentially been feared into this genocidal project under some bizarre notion that the powers that be aren’t hell-bent on thinning the herd on a slow-kill basis.I beg to differ,as do many.
manalishi:
ArcticMonkey:
0Seen some vid-clips of babies with completely black eyeballs,almost zeta-grey (think prof Whitty) appearances.Quite freaked me at the time and dr Carrie Madej has revealed some very strange images under the microscope recently,possible self-replicating,nano/graphene structures that seem to have a life form element.I wouldn’t be suprised if this is in sync for when the 5G waves are fully ramped up,almost like they’re waiting for the receiving antennas to be fully deployed via the syringe.Evil genius playing out.Henry Makow’s Gab blogs are good for information sources.
I’m subscribed to Gab newsletter, some interesting stuff on there
ArcticMonkey:
manalishi:
ArcticMonkey:
0Seen some vid-clips of babies with completely black eyeballs,almost zeta-grey (think prof Whitty) appearances.Quite freaked me at the time and dr Carrie Madej has revealed some very strange images under the microscope recently,possible self-replicating,nano/graphene structures that seem to have a life form element.I wouldn’t be suprised if this is in sync for when the 5G waves are fully ramped up,almost like they’re waiting for the receiving antennas to be fully deployed via the syringe.Evil genius playing out.Henry Makow’s Gab blogs are good for information sources.
I’m subscribed to Gab newsletter, some interesting stuff on there
There’s a an excellent site you may not be aware of-(Snippets&Snappits).Mostly memes,by a Canadian truther who posts on saturdays,Worth going back a few weeks too,her content is incredible.
I’ve just watched this YouTube offering. Over an hour long, goes a bit deep, but the last 15 minutes or so should be watched by all.
the maoster:
I’ve just watched this YouTube offering. Over an hour long, goes a bit deep, but the last 15 minutes or so should be watched by all.
Watched that the other day and agree it should be seen by everyone, a small number of people and families own everything, including the msm.
What’s the saying Juddian? Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
What gets to me Maoster is these people have wealth and power beyond imagination, but no matter how much they have its never enough.
The thing i’m noticing more and more is both they and the front men/women they buy and put up, the doom and fear mongers doing their bidding and instilling yet more unfounded panic into a broken public, look into their eyes if you dare, not scary like horror actors from our childhoods, but dead lifeless evil.
Mark of the beast? they can sod right off the lot of 'em.