I used to work for a company that recruited from abroad and even provided accomodation, in one case they all left en masse and stripped the hosue of everything leaving a shell.
Another time several romanians had rooms above the workshop and one weekend there was a big fuss and the police called, turns out they had hired one prostitute between them and then woudlnt pay her 
My pet hate is company’s that advertise
Then state salary is competitive
Or pay and terms to be discussed at interview.
I’d never apply.for a job or work for anyone unless I knew what the pay was 1st
kyk:
Halleeluuya… and almighty CEMEX joined ze competition…Job Types: Full-time, Apprenticeship
Salary: £14,500.00 /year1
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This is…
Exactly what the industry needs. Hauliers to put their money where their mouth is and start training drivers properly as opposed to just passing a test and letting them get on with it. 14.5k ain’t bad for learning a trade that could (or it did in my day) give you a qualification for life. A chance to go out and see what really happens, all those little questions answered by a driver with years of experience. Actually get behind the wheel in the yard and start learning about reversing, picking up loaded trailers, checking load security and all the other things that need doing.
Skilled drivers don’t appear overnight, they learn over time what works and what’s a waste of time.
yourhavingalarf:
kyk:
Halleeluuya… and almighty CEMEX joined ze competition…Job Types: Full-time, Apprenticeship
Salary: £14,500.00 /year1
0
This is…
Exactly what the industry needs. Hauliers to put their money where their mouth is and start training drivers properly as opposed to just passing a test and letting them get on with it. 14.5k ain’t bad for learning a trade that could (or it did in my day) give you a qualification for life. A chance to go out and see what really happens, all those little questions answered by a driver with years of experience. Actually get behind the wheel in the yard and start learning about reversing, picking up loaded trailers, checking load security and all the other things that need doing.
Skilled drivers don’t appear overnight, they learn over time what works and what’s a waste of time.
Agreed. Our spot train up apprentices, one came out with me for the day. Sure he said he cleared around £1k a month in the bank. Then I think they up their pay once they pass, then providing all is ok after a few months they’re on the same money as everyone else. We’re not on mega money, but it’s very good for someone in their early twenties, especially if they’ve no family ties, mortgage etc
I’ve had enough disappointment with Indeed today thanks.
Backed it each way - only to get it pipped at the post by Chatez in the 3:15 @ Newbury this afternoon. 
Winseer:
I’ve had enough disappointment with Indeed today thanks.Backed it each way - only to get it pipped at the post by Chatez in the 3:15 @ Newbury this afternoon.
I had George Of Hearts to win, was a bad day for me on the racing. 
yourhavingalarf:
This is…Exactly what the industry needs. Hauliers to put their money where their mouth is and start training drivers properly as opposed to just passing a test and letting them get on with it. 14.5k ain’t bad for learning a trade that could (or it did in my day) give you a qualification for life. A chance to go out and see what really happens, all those little questions answered by a driver with years of experience. Actually get behind the wheel in the yard and start learning about reversing, picking up loaded trailers, checking load security and all the other things that need doing.
Skilled drivers don’t appear overnight, they learn over time what works and what’s a waste of time.
Let’s get the basic things right…, assuming this post will pass censorship…
First of all let’s kill the patriotism of not the smartest inhabitants of this island native minorities…
CEMEX has nothing to do with British pride… its MEXICAN company - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cemex
Then let’s carry on with killing the ill assumptions of people who do not know the industry…
CEMEX is not considered “a good company to work for” in between tipper drivers…
CEMEX does not pay top money.
In fact CEMEX is well known for being main abuser of Driver Hire agency scheme to push the wages down by using agency…
CEMEX does not have decent trucks, in fact all across the island CEMEX have very old, cheap speced trucks mainly DAFs - it might be a different make across different depots but they are all purchased by managers looking at the spec sheets not by managers who know what the job requires… they choose trucks with biggest blindspots in the industry and fit them with passenger door windows to take away from driver ability to open passenger door window to see the mirror and increase visibility once window gets dirty, for example from wheel wash…
Their trucks are specced to be hard to use and dangerous for driver - in a way of making it harder to stay safe and observe situation… not that they will break drivers legs… they just will greatly increase chances of getting into accident and missing something you could have spotted in properly specced cab.
CEMEX does not treat drivers well - take an example any induction at any of CEMEX sites… the worst being well known quarry in the middle of picturesque area where drivers are shouted by multiple old fat baiches… at and placed in a hallway with old tablet to stand in hallway without even a chair provided and watch video on tabled after which you have to tick some boxes… not even a chair provided during so called induction… not even a room…
The pay CEMEX offers in this ad is ridiculous…
If you are 18 or so… with no money… do your licence through finance or credit cards go to work for firms like KANE or Carefoots (not that I would say any of them are good - they are average) - they both take newbys and pay well over 30k which is pretty much double what CEMEX offers in this advertisement… you will pay off your debt for the licence within a month and be +1k the next following month in comparison to multiple month slavery on CEMEX deal…
And now let’s look at the cause of this misinterpretation of reality by old drivers and prominent trucknet forum members - so called proper oldschool drivers who thing every young person coming into this industry have to go through multiple years of slave labour just because thats what they did and thats what they have stuck at because of lack of intellect to crawl up the food chain…
I’ve met many fools driving trucks… for poor companies… and who have said that the poor companies are not too bad or even good…, just because as the always say there are companies worse than this…
Some of them have even told me they buy panels and some parts for trucks once scratch something and fit them themselves just not to get charged or loose their bonuses… how dumb is that…?
And these individuals somehow find their way onto internet and come and pretend to advise others on what and how to do…
There are good jobs in this industry, the problem is 90% of the jobs are really bad and majority of drivers who work for them do not have balls to step up and admit that obviously terrible terms and conditions are actualy poor… they tell themselves into a false feeling that they are at good positions just because thats all they know…
If you come into this industry - don’t listen to anyone, just come in and make your way up to decent company without hesitation and shame on leaving someone to go for a better deal always seek for progress and don’t get stuck into some terrible place just because someone on the trucknet who was old sick and dumb told you it can always be worse… yeah, for him maybe… but for you it can very likely just get better…
kyk:
yourhavingalarf:
This is…Exactly what the industry needs. Hauliers to put their money where their mouth is and start training drivers properly as opposed to just passing a test and letting them get on with it. 14.5k ain’t bad for learning a trade that could (or it did in my day) give you a qualification for life. A chance to go out and see what really happens, all those little questions answered by a driver with years of experience. Actually get behind the wheel in the yard and start learning about reversing, picking up loaded trailers, checking load security and all the other things that need doing.
Skilled drivers don’t appear overnight, they learn over time what works and what’s a waste of time.
Let’s get the basic things right…, assuming this post will pass censorship…
First of all let’s kill the patriotism of not the smartest inhabitants of this island native minorities…
CEMEX has nothing to do with British pride… its MEXICAN company - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CemexThen let’s carry on with killing the ill assumptions of people who do not know the industry…
CEMEX is not considered “a good company to work for” in between tipper drivers…
CEMEX does not pay top money.
In fact CEMEX is well known for being main abuser of Driver Hire agency scheme to push the wages down by using agency…
CEMEX does not have decent trucks, in fact all across the island CEMEX have very old, cheap speced trucks mainly DAFs - it might be a different make across different depots but they are all purchased by managers looking at the spec sheets not by managers who know what the job requires… they choose trucks with biggest blindspots in the industry and fit them with passenger door windows to take away from driver ability to open passenger door window to see the mirror and increase visibility once window gets dirty, for example from wheel wash…
Their trucks are specced to be hard to use and dangerous for driver - in a way of making it harder to stay safe and observe situation… not that they will break drivers legs… they just will greatly increase chances of getting into accident and missing something you could have spotted in properly specced cab.CEMEX does not treat drivers well - take an example any induction at any of CEMEX sites… the worst being well known quarry in the middle of picturesque area where drivers are shouted by multiple old fat baiches… at and placed in a hallway with old tablet to stand in hallway without even a chair provided and watch video on tabled after which you have to tick some boxes… not even a chair provided during so called induction… not even a room…
The pay CEMEX offers in this ad is ridiculous…
If you are 18 or so… with no money… do your licence through finance or credit cards go to work for firms like KANE or Carefoots (not that I would say any of them are good - they are average) - they both take newbys and pay well over 30k which is pretty much double what CEMEX offers in this advertisement… you will pay off your debt for the licence within a month and be +1k the next following month in comparison to multiple month slavery on CEMEX deal…And now let’s look at the cause of this misinterpretation of reality by old drivers and prominent trucknet forum members - so called proper oldschool drivers who thing every young person coming into this industry have to go through multiple years of slave labour just because thats what they did and thats what they have stuck at because of lack of intellect to crawl up the food chain…
I’ve met many fools driving trucks… for poor companies… and who have said that the poor companies are not too bad or even good…, just because as the always say there are companies worse than this…
Some of them have even told me they buy panels and some parts for trucks once scratch something and fit them themselves just not to get charged or loose their bonuses… how dumb is that…?
And these individuals somehow find their way onto internet and come and pretend to advise others on what and how to do…There are good jobs in this industry, the problem is 90% of the jobs are really bad and majority of drivers who work for them do not have balls to step up and admit that obviously terrible terms and conditions are actualy poor… they tell themselves into a false feeling that they are at good positions just because thats all they know…
If you come into this industry - don’t listen to anyone, just come in and make your way up to decent company without hesitation and shame on leaving someone to go for a better deal always seek for progress and don’t get stuck into some terrible place just because someone on the trucknet who was old sick and dumb told you it can always be worse… yeah, for him maybe… but for you it can very likely just get better…
You didn’t get the job you applied for with CEMEX then?
I don’t see what’s “ridiculous” about starting an unskilled 18 year old trainee on that kind of money. It’s about £280 a week more than some of these “internships” that kids go for in fancy offices, and at least there’s a recignised qualification at the end of it that gives the trainee a real stepping stone towards a career in the industry. For the first three months or even more he’s not going to be remotely productive, and his wage is only a part of what the company are paying out.
You might have been lucky and got your break. It ill befits you to pour scorn on a company that’s giving youngsters a real opportunity regardless of how crap their kit might be. In conclusion, I think you’re talking a complete load of crap.
Sidevalve:
You didn’t get the job you applied for with CEMEX then?
I didn’t need to I’m just a psychiatrist who has a hobby of driving trucks over weekend and coming on the internet during workdays to evaluate human behavior with a tool of trucknet… observing and testing… how they react… when they get given too much power(the almighty power of admin rights) that ruins their ego.(allow unsuccessful people to believe - give them an illusion… they are not unsuccessful by allowing them to control what others can and can not say)
I think Kyk made a lot of sense on his post. An offer of work for someone already qualified and having paid for a HGV licence themselves is not an apprenticeship it’s an induction course and driving what in polite terms is a cement mixer for £14.5K is not a career move, or an ‘exciting opportunity.’ You won’t find many Poles or Romanians applying for that one.
Compare that to Jack Richards. He specifically targets foreigners from former Eastern block countries where £41K isn’t a salary, it’s winning the lottery. I suspect those ‘freebies’ offered will attract a high claw back on their salaries, but would we work under those conditions? No? How about £100K for British nationals? Yes we would.
If you were in Bracknell and I was a taxi driver, it’s going to cost you far more than £11 for the hour it takes me to get you to Heathrow in a car! In a continuing recession with open borders, thanks to the Schengen treaty, it will be interesting to see what happens if we have a hard Brexit and businesses can no longer rely on the cheap foreign labour that they’ve used for two decades. Brexit - Bring it on.
kyk:
Then let’s carry on with killing the ill assumptions of people who do not know the industry…
CEMEX is not considered “a good company to work for” in between tipper drivers…
CEMEX does not pay top money.
In fact CEMEX is well known for being main abuser of Driver Hire agency scheme to push the wages down by using agency…
CEMEX does not have decent trucks, in fact all across the island CEMEX have very old, cheap speced trucks mainly DAFs - it might be a different make across different depots but they are all purchased by managers looking at the spec sheets not by managers who know what the job requires… they choose trucks with biggest blindspots in the industry and fit them with passenger door windows to take away from driver ability to open passenger door window to see the mirror and increase visibility once window gets dirty, for example from wheel wash…
Their trucks are specced to be hard to use and dangerous for driver - in a way of making it harder to stay safe and observe situation… not that they will break drivers legs… they just will greatly increase chances of getting into accident and missing something you could have spotted in properly specced cab.CEMEX does not treat drivers well - take an example any induction at any of CEMEX sites… the worst being well known quarry in the middle of picturesque area where drivers are shouted by multiple old fat baiches… at and placed in a hallway with old tablet to stand in hallway without even a chair provided and watch video on tabled after which you have to tick some boxes… not even a chair provided during so called induction… not even a room…
Ok kyk…
I get it, you’re not over sold on Cemex and your entitled to your opinion that they’re a bunch of shysters. I’ll assume that there are drivers who don’t think Cemex are a bunch on Nazis and are happy to drive for them. Drivers are a mixed bunch and what some consider as the absolute pits others happily just keep plugging away day after day making a living.
I’ve not done a great deal of quarry work and the little that I did involved a Foden with windows that came down going over every bump on the A roads at the time. But, it’s a complicated game with bulk tankers, tippers, tare weights, H&S nightmare rules (having to wear bright orange everything looking like a satsuma all day) and all that other stuff you need to know. I don’t think that taking on an apprentice and paying them a half decent wedge is a bad thing.
Grandpa:
I think Kyk made a lot of sense on his post. An offer of work for someone already qualified and having paid for a HGV licence themselves is not an apprenticeship it’s an induction course and driving what in polite terms is a cement mixer for £14.5K is not a career move, or an ‘exciting opportunity.’
The advert is…
Aimed a car drivers with a class B category entitlement with no points on it.
yourhavingalarf:
Grandpa:
I think Kyk made a lot of sense on his post. An offer of work for someone already qualified and having paid for a HGV licence themselves is not an apprenticeship it’s an induction course and driving what in polite terms is a cement mixer for £14.5K is not a career move, or an ‘exciting opportunity.’The advert is…
Aimed a car drivers with a class B category entitlement with no points on it.
My apologies. I didn’t read the advert properly. 
Don’t be so submissive, insecure and shy… employer have not stated clearly in their ad how many years trainee should serve not to be charged a million sterlings for leaving early and costing company money…
If we are going by Mick George standards then it should be 2 years to clear training cost of 3k + around 150gbp per day under the training/apprenticeship scheme so according to publicly available reviews of Mick George on indeed and widely know truth from the insiders of the industry it might be the most expensive HGV licence on the market…
Oi… sorry… second… if Mick George would offer apprenticeship they would be the million sterling licence … there is no way Mexicans can beat that so 2nd…