Does anyone work or have knowledge how this works ie points adding up for infringements I have overrun twice this week by 3 mins just been one of those weeks getting too griPs with it all etc and nasty digi card
topmixer11:
Does anyone work or have knowledge how this works ie points adding up for infringements I have overrun twice this week by 3 mins just been one of those weeks getting too griPs with it all etc and nasty digi card
twice by 3 mins, is that all? you must have a easy job 
Add twenty mins over on a nine with all tens used I’m havin a mare start too new job probably be out of work again next week broken fridge on trailer too start then puncture then delayed by flooding now haven’t made collection as out of hours too top it all I’m the Only driver out of my depot at mo 
Company points or infringements mean JACK
Vosa are the ones to watch, watch what you do, use article 12
article 12 what is that also i was told i could be fired if scoring enuff points
topmixer11:
article 12 what is that also i was told i could be fired if scoring enuff points
Article 12
Provided that road safety is not thereby jeopardised and to
enable the vehicle to reach a suitable stopping place, the driver
may depart from Articles 6 to 9 to the extent necessary to
ensure the safety of persons, of the vehicle or its load. The
driver shall indicate the reason for such departure manually on
the record sheet of the recording equipment or on a printout
from the recording equipment or in the duty roster, at the
latest on arrival at the suitable stopping place.
It’s for occasional, unforeseen circumstances and not really for three times in one week. It also has nothing to do with company points systems, although for genuine unforeseen circumstance such as traffic hold ups due to an accident it may reduced the amount of points they give you for the infringement.
Seconded. And its to reach a place to park up somewhere safe, not to get back to base.
They should be offering remedial training before dishing out some sort of farcical penalty based on some farcical points system some knob has come up with.
Ive had more infringements than hot dinners, but since we went digital last year ive only had one. Once you get used to digital you’ll hate going in a analogue truck. 
merc0447:
Ive had more infringements than hot dinners, but since we went digital last year ive only had one. Once you get used to digital you’ll hate going in a analogue truck.
That can’t be right? 
Apparently digital tachographs are the tool of the devil and don’t even have the decency to lube you up before ■■■■■■ you of your driving time. 
Coffeeholic:
merc0447:
Ive had more infringements than hot dinners, but since we went digital last year ive only had one. Once you get used to digital you’ll hate going in a analogue truck.That can’t be right?
take some getting used too new truck in one hand take it away with the digi in the other give me back my minutes that my hourguard told me i have 
Coffeeholic:
It’s for occasional, unforeseen circumstances and not really for three times in one week. It also has nothing to do with company points systems, although for genuine unforeseen circumstance such as traffic hold ups due to an accident it may reduced the amount of points they give you for the infringement.
I agree that it’s “not really for three times in one week” - unless of course, you have a particularly unlucky week.
I think many people don’t fully understand the opportunities, or the full meaning behind Article 12. Employers in particular. They shouldn’t be including genuine Art 12 departures in calculation of any ‘Tacho Performance Systems’ They do - but they shouldn’t.
It comes to a very simple question . . . . How can I have infringed by doing something that the Regulations specifically allow me to do ? (Provided of course that I have fully complied with the necessary requirements)
I find the stock response of “Well, it’s still an infringement, but a mitigated one” a sign of lazy management, primarily due the ludicrous attitude of believing without question information/data presented by a computerised system - (GIGO)
I’d welcome a debate with the open-minded. I think it could be interesting.
merc0447:
Once you get used to digital you’ll hate going in a analogue truck.
So true, I am back on analogue and it just seems a complete ballache compared to the dreaded digi 
topmixer11:
Does anyone work or have knowledge how this works ie points adding up for infringements I have overrun twice this week by 3 mins just been one of those weeks getting too griPs with it all etc and nasty digi card
We have a “Percentage Target” points system.
I think the current system is that if a driver gets to the 10% level then it’s time for a chat with a manager. Much more than that and there’s the possibility of disciplinary action - obviously ranging from an “informal chat” up to whatever level Management decide.
A cautionary note for those thinking the level of infringements means nothing other than to the enforcement agencies . . . .
Infringements levels can be used as part of a redundancy selection criteria under the “capability” banner, in addition to Company Disciplinary procedures.
how do you get too 10 % what would that consist of then 
dambuster:
Coffeeholic:
It’s for occasional, unforeseen circumstances and not really for three times in one week. It also has nothing to do with company points systems, although for genuine unforeseen circumstance such as traffic hold ups due to an accident it may reduced the amount of points they give you for the infringement.I agree that it’s “not really for three times in one week” - unless of course, you have a particularly unlucky week.
I think many people don’t fully understand the opportunities, or the full meaning behind Article 12. Employers in particular. They shouldn’t be including genuine Art 12 departures in calculation of any ‘Tacho Performance Systems’ They do - but they shouldn’t.
It comes to a very simple question . . . . How can I have infringed by doing something that the Regulations specifically allow me to do ? (Provided of course that I have fully complied with the necessary requirements)
I find the stock response of “Well, it’s still an infringement, but a mitigated one” a sign of lazy management, primarily due the ludicrous attitude of believing without question information/data presented by a computerised system - (GIGO)
I’d welcome a debate with the open-minded. I think it could be interesting.
I couldn’t debate that with you, i think you’re spot on.
I have had infringements cancelled for genuine article twelve events. Our system is you clock up points for infringements and when you reach a certain level you have a session with a trainer who explains where the infringements have occurred and what the law is, then your count is reset, if you hit the limit again within a certain time (6 months I think) you get a counselling and if it happens again you start the disciplinary process.
topmixer11:
how do you get too 10 % what would that consist of then
Number of infringements divided by number of shifts worked in the period (x100)
So, out of the 3 month rolling period of Oct - Dec I had worked 51 shifts and (allegedly) caused 6 infringements.
(6/51)*100 = 11.8% which generated a fairly stern letter warning me as to my future conduct 
Didgi best thing since sliced bread.
our company operates a points system where they log 3 points for every infringement…after 18 points or 6 infringements you are called to a disciplinary hearing.
some of my infringements have been for taking 29 minutes break instead of 30 minutes.
our transport manager works on a computer system that points out every single mishap…even if its for only one minute…or even if the snow is 9ft deep…thats the beauty of this industry…and after all they are covering their own arses…thank god i`ve only got 5 weeks left.