lolipop:
No matter what you do,you will be finishing and starting in a different location on your tacho,in that case you must have been working to get back to base.
An issue with analogue I’d agree, not with digi though; end U.K., start UK.
Missing mileage!!!
There’ll be no missing mileage if another driver drives the vehicle. What I’m saying is that there is no requirement for a driver to recommence work at the same location that he/she finished at.
I’m not sure if it’s come into force yet but the latest digital tachograph specifications require the tachograph to automatically record the location every 3 hours and when crossing boarders.
There’s no requirement for a driver to commence work at the same location he/she finished the last shift but in the case of a driver travelling home or back to base because they’ve run out of working time there is such a requirement.
The reason for this is because if you finish work at one place and start work next shift several miles away and the travelling time has not been recorded (automatically or manually) clearly the driver will have travelled home or back to base without recording the activity, that’s an offence as travelling to or from a vehicle that’s neither at the drivers home or operating centre cannot be used as rest.
The only way round that is for the driver to travel home in his/her own time then return to where the last shift finished to start a new shift.
lolipop:
No matter what you do,you will be finishing and starting in a different location on your tacho,in that case you must have been working to get back to base.
An issue with analogue I’d agree, not with digi though; end U.K., start UK.
Missing mileage!!!
There’ll be no missing mileage if another driver drives the vehicle. What I’m saying is that there is no requirement for a driver to recommence work at the same location that he/she finished at.
I’m not sure if it’s come into force yet but the latest digital tachograph specifications require the tachograph to automatically record the location every 3 hours and when crossing boarders.
There’s no requirement for a driver to commence work at the same location he/she finished the last shift but in the case of a driver travelling home or back to base because they’ve run out of working time there is such a requirement.
The reason for this is because if you finish work at one place and start work next shift several miles away and the travelling time has not been recorded (automatically or manually) clearly the driver will have travelled home or back to base without recording the activity, that’s an offence as travelling to or from a vehicle that’s neither at the drivers home or operating centre cannot be used as rest.
The only way round that is for the driver to travel home in his/her own time then return to where the last shift finished to start a new shift.
Isn’t it only travelling home from Normal depot that doesn’t count as work?
I’ll accept correction of course.
dozy:
yes that’s why I asked the question does being a passenger in a hire car count as work time ( driving it I knew but not a passenger as I’ve never done it )
dozy:
the next question is , what mode would you enter on tacho when you do your manual entry when you next get in a car for the time as a passenger in hire car , I guess poa , or is it break ? ta
I’ll repeat it again, the time travelling to or from a vehicle that’s neither at the drivers home or usual operating centre cannot be used as rest, so legally yes it is working time.
Assuming the car journey is being done within your legal working time you can book the car journey as either other work or POA.
tachograph:
There’s no requirement for a driver to commence work at the same location he/she finished the last shift but in the case of a driver travelling home or back to base because they’ve run out of working time there is such a requirement.
The reason for this is because if you finish work at one place and start work next shift several miles away and the travelling time has not been recorded (automatically or manually) clearly the driver will have travelled home or back to base without recording the activity, that’s an offence as travelling to or from a vehicle that’s neither at the drivers home or operating centre cannot be used as rest.
The only way round that is for the driver to travel home in his/her own time then return to where the last shift finished to start a new shift.
Isn’t it only travelling home from Normal depot that doesn’t count as work?
I’ll accept correction of course.
That’s correct, travelling to or from your usual place of work can be done whilst on rest, even time travelling to or from a different depot cannot be counted as rest.
There is of course a well known case where Skills Coaches and some of their drivers were convicted of not recording travelling time. eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content … 97&from=HR
So dozy, just how far will you be going? Just asking because I’ve known Stobarts have drivers go from Tesco Barlborough all the way to Southampton in a car, do a 15hr shift, work a full week then drive back on last day. They have a strange uncanny ability to be as bent as a Tang when it suits them.
If you’re effectively doing what in Stobarts used to be known as ESS which means you’re a driver that has a base but gets sent anywhere to drive out of then my advice to you is go find another job because this will be a weekly occurrence and can even become daily depending on their needs.
OMG dozy, you’ve really opened a can of worms with all the day shift 8hr driving God’s. They even count driving round the yard in there own car’s as other work and do a print-out.
Chance you could take an early retirement from Eddies?
If you could retire from posting bollox on here too, there’s a large part of the forum that would be forever grateful.
If your own car is insured under standard SDP policy, you could drive that all over country to your hearts content and the time doesn’t have to be recorded. Face it, you’ve taken so much up yer ■■■■■■■ from Eddie that free petrol and time would be the decent thing to do now.
tachograph:
There’s no requirement for a driver to commence work at the same location he/she finished the last shift but in the case of a driver travelling home or back to base because they’ve run out of working time there is such a requirement.
The reason for this is because if you finish work at one place and start work next shift several miles away and the travelling time has not been recorded (automatically or manually) clearly the driver will have travelled home or back to base without recording the activity, that’s an offence as travelling to or from a vehicle that’s neither at the drivers home or operating centre cannot be used as rest.
The only way round that is for the driver to travel home in his/her own time then return to where the last shift finished to start a new shift.
Isn’t it only travelling home from Normal depot that doesn’t count as work?
I’ll accept correction of course.
That’s correct, travelling to or from your usual place of work can be done whilst on rest, even time travelling to or from a different depot cannot be counted as rest.
There is of course a well known case where Skills Coaches and some of their drivers were convicted of not recording travelling time. eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content … 97&from=HR
In the past ive known a driver to go out in a taxi to rescue a stranded truck. The stranded driver has then jumped in the taxi at company expense of course and been taken directly home. Not to yard. This was seen as a way of getting round these rules. But you’re saying even that isnt legal. They’d have to get a taxi back to pick the truck up themselves. This relates to working time not driving time of course, they were caught in the aftermath of a serious accident and were half an hour out from yard. Not that that matters.
Nite Owl:
In the past ive known a driver to go out in a taxi to rescue a stranded truck. The stranded driver has then jumped in the taxi at company expense of course and been taken directly home. Not to yard. This was seen as a way of getting round these rules. But you’re saying even that isnt legal. They’d have to get a taxi back to pick the truck up themselves. This relates to working time not driving time of course, they were caught in the aftermath of a serious accident and were half an hour out from yard. Not that that matters.
In normal circumstances I’d say the company recovering the driver and taking him home when he’d run out of working time would be illegal regardless of where he started the next shift from.
In the case you’ve mentioned, if the hold-up was not too long before the driver ran out of working time there were clearly unforeseen circumstances that resulted in the recovery and I doubt the DVSA would have a problem with it.
tachograph:
That’s correct, travelling to or from your usual place of work can be done whilst on rest Section 1.7 Travelling Time
This might be pedantic, but just testing you Where exactly does it say that (specifically) ?
I’m not sure wether or not there’s a misunderstanding here.
You can travel to or from your usual place of work outside of working time, however traveling to or from a place that’s neither your home or your usual place of work to take charge of a vehicle should be recorded as other work or POA, the traveling time cannot be used as rest.
For instance if you’re traveling to a place that’s not your usual place of work I.e. another depot, to take charge of a vehicle the traveling time cannot legally be counted as rest.
It’s in the document I linked to in the other post.
If you park up some miles from home and start your daily rest period you’re free to do whatever you want, if you want to travel home and back by bus/taxi or whatever in your daily rest period it’s no-one’s business but yours, consequently if you make your own way home you need to start the next shift from the same location that the last shift ended.
tachograph:
I’m not sure wether or not there’s a misunderstanding here.
You can travel to or from your usual place of work outside of working time,
It’s in the document I linked to in the other post.
Sent from my mobile.
I am sorry but I still cannot see where it says that in the document. You could draw that conclusion but that’s not the same. It does specifically say that you cannot take your rest in a moving vehicle though. (I actually hope you can prove me wrong to be honest )
tachograph:
I’m not sure wether or not there’s a misunderstanding here.
You can travel to or from your usual place of work outside of working time,
It’s in the document I linked to in the other post.
Sent from my mobile.
I am sorry but I still cannot see where it says that in the document. You could draw that conclusion but that’s not the same. It does specifically say that you cannot take your rest in a moving vehicle though. (I actually hope you can prove me wrong to be honest )
tachograph:
I’m not sure wether or not there’s a misunderstanding here.
You can travel to or from your usual place of work outside of working time,
It’s in the document I linked to in the other post.
Sent from my mobile.
I am sorry but I still cannot see where it says that in the document. You could draw that conclusion but that’s not the same. It does specifically say that you cannot take your rest in a moving vehicle though. (I actually hope you can prove me wrong to be honest )
Could you clarify exactly what you’re asking/querying please, I think we’re probably talking at cross purposes.
What I’m saying is what we all know and that is that if you get up in the morning then travel to your usual place of work you can do it in your own time, I think the rest of the post regarding travelling to take charge of a vehicle that’s not at the home or usual place of work is self explanatory.
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