Nite Owl:
Franglais:
And the current tax on aviation fuels on international flights?
“The polluter pays” rule has exceptions.
euronews.com/2019/05/13/cli … -report-fi
So, once again global warming/climate change is used as an excuse to raise taxes.
Those planes will fly regardless of how much it costs to fuel up, the higher cost will simply be passed onto the passenger. Result: zero change in emissions, lots more money raised.
Heres an idea, how about banning flights without passengers?
simpleflying.com/the-story-behi … t-flights/
Nite Owl:
Franglais:
And the current tax on aviation fuels on international flights?
“The polluter pays” rule has exceptions.
euronews.com/2019/05/13/cli … -report-fi
So, once again global warming/climate change is used as an excuse to raise taxes.
Those planes will fly regardless of how much it costs to fuel up, the higher cost will simply be passed onto the passenger. Result: zero change in emissions, lots more money raised.
Heres an idea, how about banning flights without passengers?
simpleflying.com/the-story-behi … t-flights/
No.
Taxes are used to affect behaviour.
Discourage people from flying by making it more expensive.
No reason carbon rationing can’t be used too, but money is an easy tool to use.
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Ghost flights? They did exist. Maybe still do, and should be banned, but are small fry compared to the problem.
Franglais:
No.
Taxes are used to affect behaviour.
Discourage people from flying by making it more expensive.
No reason carbon rationing can’t be used too, but money is an easy tool to use.
.
Ghost flights? They did exist. Maybe still do, and should be banned, but are small fry compared to the problem.
I would imagine that’s the theory, but it doesnt work in practice. Take fuel price for cars as an example, granted it’s not just tax that affects the price. But fuel has constantly increased in price for as long as I can remember, yet the roads are more congested than ever. Vehicle exice duty is supposedly being used to affect peoples choice of vehicle, yet gas guzzling 4x4 are becoming more popular. It would be interesting to know what the effect the “sugar tax” is having on the sales of fizzy pop.
Going back to airplanes, even if the higher prices do put people off their summer holidays or business trips, the plane is still going to fly. A 75% full aircraft is going to emit as much pollution as a 100% full one.
Nite Owl:
Franglais:
No.
Taxes are used to affect behaviour.
Discourage people from flying by making it more expensive.
No reason carbon rationing can’t be used too, but money is an easy tool to use.
.
Ghost flights? They did exist. Maybe still do, and should be banned, but are small fry compared to the problem.
I would imagine that’s the theory, but it doesnt work in practice. Take fuel price for cars as an example, granted it’s not just tax that affects the price. But fuel has constantly increased in price for as long as I can remember, yet the roads are more congested than ever. Vehicle exice duty is supposedly being used to affect peoples choice of vehicle, yet gas guzzling 4x4 are becoming more popular. It would be interesting to know what the effect the “sugar tax” is having on the sales of fizzy pop.
Going back to airplanes, even if the higher prices do put people off their summer holidays or business trips, the plane is still going to fly. A 75% full aircraft is going to emit as much pollution as a 100% full one.
4x4 new registrations are down on what they were 5 years ago. Many now come with smaller more fuel efficient engines.
The average UK mileage is decreasing.
IrnBru, Lucozade etc are now made with less sugar to avoid higher tax.
If airlines run under used routes they will cut the number of flights surely. 3 full planes instead of 4 part empty ones.
Taxes affect behaviour. It’s not a perfect linear relationship, but it’s there.
Franglais:
Nite Owl:
Franglais:
No.
Taxes are used to affect behaviour.
Discourage people from flying by making it more expensive.
No reason carbon rationing can’t be used too, but money is an easy tool to use.
.
Ghost flights? They did exist. Maybe still do, and should be banned, but are small fry compared to the problem.
I would imagine that’s the theory, but it doesnt work in practice. Take fuel price for cars as an example, granted it’s not just tax that affects the price. But fuel has constantly increased in price for as long as I can remember, yet the roads are more congested than ever. Vehicle exice duty is supposedly being used to affect peoples choice of vehicle, yet gas guzzling 4x4 are becoming more popular. It would be interesting to know what the effect the “sugar tax” is having on the sales of fizzy pop.
Going back to airplanes, even if the higher prices do put people off their summer holidays or business trips, the plane is still going to fly. A 75% full aircraft is going to emit as much pollution as a 100% full one.
4x4 new registrations are down on what they were 5 years ago. Many now come with smaller more fuel efficient engines.
The average UK mileage is decreasing.
IrnBru, Lucozade etc are now made with less sugar to avoid higher tax.
If airlines run under used routes they will cut the number of flights surely. 3 full planes instead of 4 part empty ones.
Taxes affect behaviour. It’s not a perfect linear relationship, but it’s there.
theguardian.com/money/2019/ … rol-prices
Whilst the average miles per year has fallen, car ownership has risen. Would be interesting to see the difference in total mileage because by averaging the figures out, the data is being skewed.
Take an example of a household that buys a second car. The number of mile driven doesn’t change, but because the trips are shared, the average miles per car has halved. Expand that out on a national scale and you get a set of data that is completely misleading. A brutal example I know, but it’s the best I’ve got!
bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-43308567
SUVs are still an incredibly popular car, whilst researching this reply I found that 3 of the top ten most popular cars sold were SUVs, a type of vehicle that ten years ago was barely seen outside of a farmyard.
Most of my opinions are based on my observations whilst driving. Granted not the most reliable or scientific way of collating data, but any driver on here will tell you the roads are more congested now than ten years ago. The fuel levy has not impacted vehicle use.
The sugar tax is an interesting one. The industry reacted in a way to minimise the impact it would have. Perhaps the best example of taxes influencing behaviour. Not exactly the ideal example to fight my cause!!! 
Maybe looking at a more specific section of that industry (like energy drinks) where avoiding the tax isnt as easy.
I’m still not convinced that people will forego their holidays and business people will cancel their trips simply because it costs a bit more. Maybe in a couple of years I’ll be proven wrong and less planes ARE flying because of this, but one thing is for certain, the governments will make an awful lot of money out of it.
Nite Owl:
Franglais:
Nite Owl:
Franglais:
No.
Taxes are used to affect behaviour.
Discourage people from flying by making it more expensive.
No reason carbon rationing can’t be used too, but money is an easy tool to use.
.
Ghost flights? They did exist. Maybe still do, and should be banned, but are small fry compared to the problem.
I would imagine that’s the theory, but it doesnt work in practice. Take fuel price for cars as an example, granted it’s not just tax that affects the price. But fuel has constantly increased in price for as long as I can remember, yet the roads are more congested than ever. Vehicle exice duty is supposedly being used to affect peoples choice of vehicle, yet gas guzzling 4x4 are becoming more popular. It would be interesting to know what the effect the “sugar tax” is having on the sales of fizzy pop.
Going back to airplanes, even if the higher prices do put people off their summer holidays or business trips, the plane is still going to fly. A 75% full aircraft is going to emit as much pollution as a 100% full one.
4x4 new registrations are down on what they were 5 years ago. Many now come with smaller more fuel efficient engines.
The average UK mileage is decreasing.
IrnBru, Lucozade etc are now made with less sugar to avoid higher tax.
If airlines run under used routes they will cut the number of flights surely. 3 full planes instead of 4 part empty ones.
Taxes affect behaviour. It’s not a perfect linear relationship, but it’s there.
theguardian.com/money/2019/ … rol-prices
Whilst the average miles per year has fallen, car ownership has risen. Would be interesting to see the difference in total mileage because by averaging the figures out, the data is being skewed.
Take an example of a household that buys a second car. The number of mile driven doesn’t change, but because the trips are shared, the average miles per car has halved. Expand that out on a national scale and you get a set of data that is completely misleading. A brutal example I know, but it’s the best I’ve got!
bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-43308567
SUVs are still an incredibly popular car, whilst researching this reply I found that 3 of the top ten most popular cars sold were SUVs, a type of vehicle that ten years ago was barely seen outside of a farmyard.
Most of my opinions are based on my observations whilst driving. Granted not the most reliable or scientific way of collating data, but any driver on here will tell you the roads are more congested now than ten years ago. The fuel levy has not impacted vehicle use.
The sugar tax is an interesting one. The industry reacted in a way to minimise the impact it would have. Perhaps the best example of taxes influencing behaviour. Not exactly the ideal example to fight my cause!!! [emoji38] Maybe looking at a more specific section of that industry (like energy drinks) where avoiding the tax isnt as easy.
I’m still not convinced that people will forego their holidays and business people will cancel their trips simply because it costs a bit more. Maybe in a couple of years I’ll be proven wrong and less planes ARE flying because of this, but one thing is for certain, the governments will make an awful lot of money out of it.
Just on the last point: People forgoing holidays?
Maybe they will fly to Spain for guaranteed sunshine, rather than Egypt if fuel price increases? We aren’t talking of taking a train to digs in Skeggie necessarily![emoji5]
It always makes me laugh when I see “Sports Utility Vehicles” filling up the car parks of places like Aldi and Lidl - where the fuel spent to get there - probably outweighs the 50p saved on the tiny basket of shopping these morons end up buying from said establishment… 
Why don’t people with larger cars - buy a whole large shopping trolly of stuff WHEN they decide to “burn some fossile” going out to get the food shop in?
It’s like hiring a luton box to bring home a stereo you’ve just bought!
…of the above linked article…
If “Other cars” are reading -75 - does that mean they now have CO2-absorbing engines that presumably have some photosynthesis going on under the hood? - Or a caustic filter perhaps? 
lancpudn:
It’s a good job our national grid isn’t coal heavy for generating electricity as the IMF want the Paris accord countries to increase the carbon tax from $2/ton to $75/ton, raising household electric bills 43% if the grid is powered by coal & raise petrol prices 14% etc 
blogs.imf.org/2019/10/10/fiscal … te-change/
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this is another good reason to make a move and live in northern ireland.
all the leccy meters are bizzoed up and every runs on kitty litter diesel… 
dieseldog999:
lancpudn:
It’s a good job our national grid isn’t coal heavy for generating electricity as the IMF want the Paris accord countries to increase the carbon tax from $2/ton to $75/ton, raising household electric bills 43% if the grid is powered by coal & raise petrol prices 14% etc blogs.imf.org/2019/10/10/fiscal … te-change/
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this is another good reason to make a move and live in northern ireland.
all the leccy meters are bizzoed up and every runs on kitty litter diesel…
I’ve often wondered if there is a risk of getting fuel injectors fullers of earth when filtering the cherry in this manner…
as with poteen,then theres varying standards and qualities ranging from quite decent to vile with some of them tasting worse than laundered diesel .
theres taxis running on it year in and out and dudes with new merc type cars though you also hear now and then of disasters injector wise.
whether red,laundered heating oil mix,then none of them smell,or smoke so its just a latter of preference.
theres some areas over here that if you are getting fuel from a petrol station then your obviously a stranger.
at the end of the day,you pays your money ■■
Is it true that if you don’t put adblue in your new merc - it gets reported as “non complient” so you then get fined driving through Seditious Khan’s central London?
Those people running on chip fat, McDonalds cast-off, Kitty Tray Filtered Cherry, or half 'n’half - are surely not going to bother with niceties like Adblue?
…Come to that, how do the brudders get away with driving those 70’s and 80’s tractors pulling the fairground rides about on our roads, smokey as the bandit everywhere they go■■?
I guess they won’t be setting up a travelling un-fun un-fair on Lincoln Inn Fields or “Mind-The-Gap” Bank for a carousel eh?