He has got to be joking. Why don’t they just ban cyclist problem solved.
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What are lorry going to do in rush hour .How long dose rush hour last for.
Interesting to read of meetings between the All Party Parliamentary Cycling Group and the PM - all sounds very productive, then read that the FTA ‘writes a letter’ 
As has been said many times on here. Cyclists have a very strong representation in places that matter. Our representatives of the RHA/FTA are simply out of date and simply filling jobs for the boys positions - these are the planks representing our industry.
However - if they ban HGVs at certain times surely it makes the drivers job easier? Less cyclists? I understand it would create operational difficulties but they would have to be worked around.
To be fair, maybe a trial would answer the questions. Maybe if all trucks stayed out of London for 1 month, say, November, we would see how things will work in practice 
Is this not a London issue , I’ve been going into notts ,Manchester ,brum,Leeds etc for years ,outer London ,but now apparently because I may have to do Central London I have to do courses ,have cameras fitted to my truck etc etc .
Don’t all cities have cyclists ,are London cyclists different 
Sure I remember reading somewhere that some cities are considering all out bans on HGV’s from the town centre during the day only, think the concept is getting haulage firms to deliver to industrial estates on the cities out skirts, then getting smaller vehicles i.e Transit size vehicles to then complete the delivery
Maybe the way of things to come
Swampey2418:
Sure I remember reading somewhere that some cities are considering all out bans on HGV’s from the town centre during the day only, think the concept is getting haulage firms to deliver to industrial estates on the cities out skirts, then getting smaller vehicles i.e Transit size vehicles to then complete the deliveryMaybe the way of things to come
This has been said on previous threads: The general public would then just complain about the 10 fold increase in these smaller vehicles to make up the load capacity of larger vehicles. This is probably why restricted hours is currently the favoured option to protect lemming cyclists.
End result, LGV drivers hours get even more unsociable…
So if you ban HGV’s at rush hour or any other time they have to ban cyclist in the HGV open time zones or your still going to have the same problem.
nick2008:
So if you ban HGV’s at rush hour or any other time they have to ban cyclist in the HGV open time zones or your still going to have the same problem.
Enforceable how? 
Back to the registration of cyclists… It’s like an endless loop!
Something thats got to be trailed though to appease the cyclists lobbies, a blanket ban in London between the hours of 7am and 6pm would be nice. Say limit at 3.5t with special exemptions for major stores anf couriers up to 7.5ton.
Tippers have to have super secret special permission and a cyclist police ■■■■■■.
Outside these hours cyclists are allowed to use the pavement but with a speed restriction and shockingly have to give way at all times to pedestrians. Cyclists will also have to wear a hi viz with a unique identifier when on the pavement during these hours.
I think bicyclists are perfectly entitled to be a pain in the ■■■ no matter where or when lol
Outside these hours cyclists are allowed to use the pavement but with a speed restriction and shockingly have to give way at all times to pedestrians. Cyclists will also have to wear a hi viz with a unique identifier when on the pavement during these hours.
Perhaps we could tatoo their cyclist registration on their wrists and “encourage” them to have a high visability star on their chest?
Captain Caveman 76:
Outside these hours cyclists are allowed to use the pavement but with a speed restriction and shockingly have to give way at all times to pedestrians. Cyclists will also have to wear a hi viz with a unique identifier when on the pavement during these hours.
Perhaps we could tatoo their cyclist registration on their wrists and “encourage” them to have a high visability star on their chest?
Possibly but as a cyclist myself this is a bit drastic. However the cyclists Kryptonite and fear word is ‘accountability’ as the lack of this is one of the main ingredients of anarchy which gives every cyclist the ability to do as they wish and the highway code is an option.
But thats not such a bad thing, as arguably the most vunerable and eco freindly road user they should be allowed the freedom to get themselves out of trouble or into it as the case maybe.
So HGV vehicles kill cyclists either by choice or accident, as cyclists have the loudest voice and are a nice political hot potato lets see how this works. Yes the cyclist lobby is being appeased but only by doing all we can to maintain their safety will one day the realisation happen that cyclist are killed because they put themselves into dangerous situations out of stupidity or poor training.
Lets see just how important cyclists really are vs cost to local business’s, I have a funny feeling any trial will fail as cyclists deaths are irrelevant when compared to economic issues.
Political lip service at its best.
Cyclists can either learn not to put themselves in dangerous situations or die, the choice is theirs.
Captain Caveman 76:
Outside these hours cyclists are allowed to use the pavement but with a speed restriction and shockingly have to give way at all times to pedestrians. Cyclists will also have to wear a hi viz with a unique identifier when on the pavement during these hours.
Perhaps we could tatoo their cyclist registration on their wrists and “encourage” them to have a high visability star on their chest?
You are a very sick man!
But I did chuckle… 
Dipper_Dave:
Captain Caveman 76:
Outside these hours cyclists are allowed to use the pavement but with a speed restriction and shockingly have to give way at all times to pedestrians. Cyclists will also have to wear a hi viz with a unique identifier when on the pavement during these hours.
Perhaps we could tatoo their cyclist registration on their wrists and “encourage” them to have a high visability star on their chest?
Possibly but as a cyclist myself this is a bit drastic. However the cyclists Kryptonite and fear word is ‘accountability’ as the lack of this is one of the main ingredients of anarchy which gives every cyclist the ability to do as they wish and the highway code is an option.
But thats not such a bad thing, as arguably the most vunerable and eco freindly road user they should be allowed the freedom to get themselves out of trouble or into it as the case maybe.
So HGV vehicles kill cyclists either by choice or accident, as cyclists have the loudest voice and are a nice political hot potato lets see how this works. Yes the cyclist lobby is being appeased but only by doing all we can to maintain their safety will one day the realisation happen that cyclist are killed because they put themselves into dangerous situations out of stupidity or poor training.
Lets see just how important cyclists really are vs cost to local business’s, I have a funny feeling any trial will fail as cyclists deaths are irrelevant when compared to economic issues.
Political lip service at its best.
Cyclists can either learn not to put themselves in dangerous situations or die, the choice is theirs.
You and I are on the same page I think. I despair at the antics of some cyclist, just as I dispair at the antics of other road users. Unfortunately the vulnerability of cyclists (matched only by the vulnerability of motorcyclists who have to pass a test) often ends in tragic results. Measures should be put in place to protect them, but as you said, ultimately the safety of the cyclist rests with themselves.
I was going somewhere with this, but it takes me so long to type on this phone I’ve forgotten my point!
What worries me is I see on almost a daily basis a gaggle of cyclists just crackin on when suddenly a lycra loon who to be fair is fit enough to fly past, then take one of the gaggle with em. This break from the herd worries me that they have not only no chance of keeping up but the effort they expel in trying is diminishing their capacity for rational thought.
So as a HGV driver im on the look out for that one cyclist who is out of his/her depth, so not all cyclists are the same, the ones who get on other road users ■■■■ are not the ones in danger its the poor buggers following in their wake.
So cycling to some is just a method of getting from A to B, but to others its a tour de france race and as motorised vehicles have their own heirachy so do cyclists, in essence the most vunerable is not the lycra clad idiot but the novice / inexperienced who using the mantra ‘monkey see, monkey do’ tries to emulate what they witness on the roads from their fitter counterparts.
These poor sods dont waste their time on cyclist forums, let alone truck forums, all they want to do is cycle to their destinstion. They are unaware of the dangers and are therfore the most vunerable.
But the arrogance and ■■■■■■■■■■■ mentality of cyclist lobbies dont see this, all they want is HGV’s away from them. Well so be it, let them have what they wish for as by a sheer fluke they may end up protecting those cyclists most at risk.
Does that mean I don’t have to go into London tomorrow?
Tbh I think the FTA/RHA are missing a trick. If tptb want the removal of HGV’s from the city centre then comply with their request. Agree that no deliveries will be made during the specified times. No vehicles over 3.5t to enter the town. Push the politicians to actually provide the solutions they propose.
Then sit back and watch.