Chaos and fewer jobs for us, more profit for uber

So, we’re marching closer to driverless cars on our roads. While some of you are bickering about as yet unknown specifics on fishing (agree it’s taking rather a long time to spit out the details)

This is a direct attack on our jobs. First they came for the uber driver, next it will be truck and bus drivers. Oh wait, there are a few driverless buses already.

How can the government, and this isn’t a labour thing, tory was chugging along with these plans previously, how can they announce plans to go forward, when as yet they still haven’t laid down cast iron details over liability. Will the customer get sued in an accident as they “hired” the AI monster. Will the public through more taxation pay out. Or will uver or whoever have a large pit of money to pay out for damages and deaths caused by lunatic driverless cars running amok.

Wait until you get airliners with no pilots, they are only there to appease the passengers and are not really needed as the aircraft can take off, fly and land itself without human input.

The issue is when the poo hits the fan, will a fancy computer be as good as the human problem solving and crew resource management issues?

Really?
Current aircraft and ATC, do have a lot of very high tech available, but currently pilots and controllers do make a lot of critical decisions on every flight

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You are right, we are a few years away yet from a flight without pilots, but I’m sure one day it will happen to save paying pilots.
An experienced Captain with hundreds of flying hours under his belt can easily attain £150,000 to £200,000 per year.

good point Stuar. When you look into the details of the 737 max disasters, it was really about the computers not the pilots, deciding to crash the planes. The computers despite being designed to correct all problems still managed to ■■■■ up big time.

And guess what. Boeing is probably not going to be prosecuted over that. Despite the multi layer failures in management, design, training etc, Boeing look to walk away with only the financial penalty.

All those innocent lives lost because of Boeing’s pursuit of profit. And that is what bothers me about driverless cars. Until the deaths start clocking up, how do we know the system doesn’t have some economy options selected to maximise the companies profits.

Good points about the Max.

https://www.npr.org/2025/05/16/g-s1-67245/doj-boeing-737-max-crashes-deal-prosecution-plane

I believe China has returned new Boeing aircraft to the USA in retaliation for the steel tariffs.

I caught a few clips of video from Dubai and a mobile fuel station came to the car to fill it up, some kind of robot.

Especially when the computers fail.

For the human element there was the German Wings pilot that locked the cockpit door then crashed in to the mountain.

For the missing Malaysian aircraft, nobody knows what happened to that?

There are plenty of clips on Youtube of passenger aircraft landing in severe cross winds, I would bet that the landings were achieved manually with little input from a computer.
I remember seeing a news article / video about another large aircraft landing after losing its nose wheel, The pilot had to keep the nose up long after any auto systems demanded it be in contact with terra firma.
The computer programme to handle the above situations has not been designed yet and possibly never will.

Still an open and ongoing inquiry I think. Physically searching for wreckage is very expensive.

I am a fan of Mentour Pilot and he has covered much of the above topics.

Also several videos on the 737 Max and it’s MCAS system, why it is there, how it works, and what training is and isn’t being given in it’s operation.
Petter is (or was) a 737 Captain and trained other pilots in it’s use. He does know his stuff and does explain it well.
For myself, I need to sit down with a coffee or two, and concentrate to get the most from his videos.

MOST people are bone idle so bring it on, and there will always be work for people that are willing to work

Mentour taught me how to fly a jumbo jet :upside_down_face:

He does explain stuff well, though it can be annoying some of his videos are cut short by FB just as you’re getting to the crux. As far as I know he’s still a real life trainer, but with FB’s sense of time, can’t be certain.

Eh? There’s less than a million real vacancies in the country now (disregarding the fishing trips and multiple adverts for the exact same job by agencies all jostling for the percentage)
AI and robotics is only gonna reduce work further and kicking every last johnny foreigner out isn’t gonna magic up enough work for the rest of the shameless.

Consider our own industry. How many driving vacancies are there actually, how many loads gone undelivered. But all the while we keep hearing about the chronic shortage, and future massive shortage when all us oldies retire next week.

Until we address the real issues, which is the very rich siphoning off all the cash leaving us with peanuts, we’re just gonna idle along into chaos and fighting over what jobs remain.

AI and robotics are an existential threat to humankind (all the rich are lizard people anyway :slight_smile: )

I think that “autoland” systems have limits on their crosswind capabilities.
They are mostly for low visibility landings, and those are mostly in calm conditions rather than very windy ones.

737 limited to 20knot cross wind. Boeing 737 Limitations - AviationHunt

That sounds like a Polish airline with the wheel issues.
They have to fly close enough to ATC so they can have a look at the situation with their binoculars, then let the pilot know what’s going on.

Pretty sure that he has very recently given up commercial flying and has expanded his YT and other work. Open to correction. When most of his YT were made he certainly was still a Captain and Trainer.

The time is ripe to say that UBI may be needed.

Capitalism is not given to us by some sort of God.
It has only been around in it’s current form for a couple of hundred years. It has arguably served us well, but that is no reason to assume it will do so forever.

AI and robotics could serve a (much smaller) population for many more generations into the future than capitalism with it’s Ponzi scheme tendencies ever could.
So if someone was intend on spreading their only own genes, and could corner a big chuck of wealth, now is the time for them to act.
Maybe they are

Gateshead, is this the incident?