Dozy, nobody says your friend HAS to work a fifteen and finish at 23:00. Park up at a decent time and run in tomorrow. Simples.
The Sarge:
Dozy, nobody says your friend HAS to work a fifteen and finish at 23:00. Park up at a decent time and run in tomorrow. Simples.
Exactly!
We have them at our place they’re either thick, brainwashed, or both…, it’s the old Limit not Target adage. 
What is this 15 hr ‘‘LEFT’’ business anyway 
, it aint compulsory ffs.
I do a 15 on 9 off when it suits me end of, or if I’m ASKED. Depending on how good or bad I have been treated that week depends on my answer.
we only do day cabs but a new system is coming in and guys are saying 15 hours work planned ect, i live closest to yard but no way am i doing 15 hours, if i wanted this i would go tramping… there needs to be something in place that if you are a day cab 12 hours max…
dle1uk:
we only do day cabs but a new system is coming in and guys are saying 15 hours work planned ect, i live closest to yard but no way am i doing 15 hours, if i wanted this i would go tramping… there needs to be something in place that if you are a day cab 12 hours max…
If you only do 12 hours max now, they will struggle to impose any more in future without your cooperation to change the contract. Even better if you have a union.
And because you are already established in your position, it will be much easier to make the point that any increase will cause you excessive fatigue as an individual.
we only do day cabs but a new system is coming in and guys are saying 15 hours work planned ect
My working hours were always up to the maximum allowed by the law- I am not sure why the size or status of the cab you drive means you cant work to that,
dle1uk:
we only do day cabs but a new system is coming in and guys are saying 15 hours work planned ect, i live closest to yard but no way am i doing 15 hours, if i wanted this i would go tramping… there needs to be something in place that if you are a day cab 12 hours max…
Not really workable. You would be limiting the people who needed the most flexibility to get back to base if held up to most inflexible hours.
Kerragy:
8)dle1uk:
we only do day cabs but a new system is coming in and guys are saying 15 hours work planned ect, i live closest to yard but no way am i doing 15 hours, if i wanted this i would go tramping… there needs to be something in place that if you are a day cab 12 hours max…Not really workable. You would be limiting the people who needed the most flexibility to get back to base if held up to most inflexible hours.
You could say that for any time limit, whether it was the 12 hours mentioned or 23 hours 59.
The flexibility and tolerance aspects are all down to planning, either efficient or otherwise, that determines whether or not it is workable.
If you are being planned to the last minute of driving alllowed, with no allowances for unforseens that is when the problems of not getting back etc occur.
Crap planners are the worst offenders for the limit/target thing.
All depends on your T&C agreements,other than that as long as you are legal get on with it
robroy:
The Sarge:
Dozy, nobody says your friend HAS to work a fifteen and finish at 23:00. Park up at a decent time and run in tomorrow. Simples.Exactly!
We have them at our place they’re either thick, brainwashed, or both…, it’s the old Limit not Target adage.
What is this 15 hr ‘‘LEFT’’ business anyway
I do a 15 on 9 off when it suits me end of, or if I’m ASKED. Depending on how good or bad I have been treated that week depends on my answer.
We used to have a planner who always used to bang on about saving one 15 and if you can a 10 so you can get back on a Friday. When he left and the new one started, he didn’t get this memo. Quite a few drivers got ■■■■■■ off running in on a Saturday.
dozy:
Did I read on here once that companies are only allowed too move your start time over a week by 2 hrs
Probably. Doesn’t make it true. I’ve started at midnight, short shift to 7:30, 9 off then restarted at 16:30 for a 15 hour shift followed by 15s the rest of the week.
Get that for a start change 
I found it easy to be honest. Certainly not a problem. Then again, I’m used to it. The only thing I’ve ever struggled with is having 9 off after a double manned 18 hour shift.
Now that stung 
Terry T:
dozy:
Did I read on here once that companies are only allowed too move your start time over a week by 2 hrsProbably. Doesn’t make it true. I’ve started at midnight, short shift to 7:30, 9 off then restarted at 16:30 for a 15 hour shift followed by 15s the rest of the week.
Unless you’ve been identified as a really special someone, any attempt to impose this on a worker would almost certainly breach health and safety law.
I can certainly drive tired. I’ve driven at times when I’ve been so tired I’ve lost the ability to manoeuvre. I’ve driven so tired I’ve headed for the embankment. It has never resulted in an accident.
What I find I can’t do is do the sorts of shift patterns you’re talking about and drive competently and without disproportionate risk, and if this sort of shift pattern were somehow drawn to the attention of the authorities by workers unwilling to tolerate it, I can’t seriously believe an operator would not suffer.
Terry T:
dozy:
Did I read on here once that companies are only allowed too move your start time over a week by 2 hrsProbably. Doesn’t make it true. I’ve started at midnight, short shift to 7:30, 9 off then restarted at 16:30 for a 15 hour shift followed by 15s the rest of the week.
Get that for a start change
I found it easy to be honest. Certainly not a problem. Then again, I’m used to it. The only thing I’ve ever struggled with is having 9 off after a double manned 18 hour shift.
Now that stung
pah. 
lightweight. 
you could of done 21 hours double manned. you owe the boss three hours. Lol. 
Rikki-UK:
we only do day cabs but a new system is coming in and guys are saying 15 hours work planned ect
My working hours were always up to the maximum allowed by the law- I am not sure why the size or status of the cab you drive means you cant work to that,
there is a difference to someone who works a full 15 hours and the bed is behind them if needed compared to a guy who has a commute of say 30 mins eachway… i have done tramping in past and when needs be you can be in bed, curtains drawn within minutes… with all the will in the world as a day driver returning to yard you will be held up for various reasons quick chat whatever and before you know it youve lost another hour…
dle1uk:
Rikki-UK:
we only do day cabs but a new system is coming in and guys are saying 15 hours work planned ect
My working hours were always up to the maximum allowed by the law- I am not sure why the size or status of the cab you drive means you cant work to that,
there is a difference to someone who works a full 15 hours and the bed is behind them if needed compared to a guy who has a commute of say 30 mins eachway… i have done tramping in past and when needs be you can be in bed, curtains drawn within minutes… with all the will in the world as a day driver returning to yard you will be held up for various reasons quick chat whatever and before you know it youve lost another hour…
Quite right, I hour total travel time over 2 journeys.
Arrive home, shower, evening meal, coffee and to bed.
You don’t drop off right away, sleep, get up bog and wash, coffee and toast. So you end up with about.6 hours kip out of your 9 off to go and drive 44 tonnes for another 9 hours…Health and safety my arse.
Minimum rest should be 11 off and ■■■■ the Big balled heroes who are happy with 5 hours kip between shifts, and boast about it … let them wipe themselves out as long as they don’t take me or some other poor innocent ■■■■ with them.
If I’ve done under 13 hours, and it suits me, I’ll have 11 off.
Failing that, I have 9 off and get cracking, regardless of my booking time. Occasionally this may result in my having to toss it off for a couple of hours somewhere. I like 6am starts, and 9pm finishes, unless it suits me to do otherwise.
The only definite exception to this is my last day.
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Rjan:
Terry T:
dozy:
Did I read on here once that companies are only allowed too move your start time over a week by 2 hrsProbably. Doesn’t make it true. I’ve started at midnight, short shift to 7:30, 9 off then restarted at 16:30 for a 15 hour shift followed by 15s the rest of the week.
Unless you’ve been identified as a really special someone, any attempt to impose this on a worker would almost certainly breach health and safety law.
It’s not that bad really. I just make sure I get a good nap in at around 10pm before I start to see me through to 7am. From then on it’s just a regular night shift. Split daily rest every day so plenty of time to catch up on sleep if you need to.
Far from being imposed on us it’s actually a shift people ask for as it’s so highly paid.
dozy:
Mike-C:
dozy:
Did I read on here once that companies are only allowed too move your start time over a week by 2 hrs , is that plus or minus 2 hrs
TaNot that i recall. You ever done tramping ?
I’ve done tramping but not now , but mate does and he’s done 4 am starts Monday - thurs , fri ( today ) they’ve said he can’t start until 8 am , he’s obviously not happy as he’s got a 15 left so could be 23.00 before he gets back , he’s a tramper
So what your saying its because he wants to do 15 hrs to max out, but does not want to finish late,
Start at 8.00 and finish at normal time,sacrifice a few hours its not going to kill him,unless he can`t survive without maxing out every week
lolipop:
So what your saying its because he wants to do 15 hrs to max out, but does not want to finish late,
Start at 8.00 and finish at normal time,sacrifice a few hours its not going to kill him,unless he can`t survive without maxing out every week
That is all part of the brainwasing process I was on about.,
Lead them to believe it is virtually compulsory, and back it up by paying a crap rate wherby the only way to make a decent bottom line pay figure is to max out anyway.
Cynical but imo accurate.
Terry T:
It’s not that bad really. I just make sure I get a good nap in at around 10pm before I start to see me through to 7am. From then on it’s just a regular night shift. Split daily rest every day so plenty of time to catch up on sleep if you need to.Far from being imposed on us it’s actually a shift people ask for as it’s so highly paid.
If you’re self-selecting and could decline the work if it suited you to do so, then obviously that is one important control on being overworked.
But we also find that the worker himself is not necessarily the best judge on these matters, especially when there are significant inducements to undertake what would strike most people as an unreasonable and excessive pattern of work.
There exists a proportion of the population that appear subjectively to cope well with sleep deprivation, but when their reactions are measured, they do not react as they would when well-rested - in fact, their reactions are generally just as bad as those who claim to be unbearably tired.
The difference appears not to be in the need for less sleep, but in the relative proficiency of each in fighting sleep, which is why it is important to have external controls. It’s the same problem with the recent spate of SAS deaths on hot days - they aren’t better able to cope with heat than the normal person, they are simply better at ignoring the signs of impending death and maintaining performance when others would feel no choice but to collapse into recovery.