Franglais:
Some one has had a change of mind…
Christian Wakeford has crossed the aisle.
Who once this dies down we will never hear of again nobody likes defectors if he had any integerity he should have become independant seems he has been in talks with Labour for several months, doubt you’ll get to good a set of odds on him being the Labour candidate at the next election
“Integrity” is in very short supply throughout this thread.
“Defector” away from what/whom?
Should an MP be “loyal” to Party? Leader? Manifesto promises? Or to their constituents` best interests?
I would bet a fair bit that Wakeford will be the next Lab candidate, but not so much that he would keep his seat.
Wonder if the odds of him being an MP next Parliament are better or worse than Johnson`s? I reckon a heck of a lot better.
Can you see Johnson staying on “to serve his constituency” next election?
He quit as MP for Henley when he became Mayor. He stood as MP for Uxbridge and Ruislip when Mayor.
I`d bet a fair amount that Johnson would follow form (and Cameron) by not standing again. He will only get less than “chicken feed” as an MP.
If he stood on the conservative manifesto then it is hard to see how he now agrees with the Labour one, he will be welcomed with open arms until his purpose has been served if he leaps over the current labour candidate at the next election what does that say about Labour? His best chance of coming out of this with his integerity intact would have been to go independant which in all likelihood if he is a good MP would probably help him to be Bury South’s MP after the next election, after all as an independant he wouldn’t have to show loyalty to any party something he has shown he doesn’t do
Mazzer2:
If he stood on the conservative manifesto then it is hard to see how he now agrees with the Labour one, he will be welcomed with open arms until his purpose has been served if he leaps over the current labour candidate at the next election what does that say about Labour? His best chance of coming out of this with his integerity intact would have been to go independant which in all likelihood if he is a good MP would probably help him to be Bury South’s MP after the next election, after all as an independant he wouldn’t have to show loyalty to any party something he has shown he doesn’t do
Lot of sense there.
I can see that if he reckons Johnson is failing, he should leave the Tory party. He should (arguably) stand by promises even if Johnson doesn`t. What does “levelling up” mean anyway? Easy to see that what he wants for Bury, what he thought was promised, and what Johnson is delivering are very different.
But as you say, to go so far as to agree with Lab is a long stretch.
Looks like he has been a Lancs councillor so might be known as a “local lad”? Dunno?
Mazzer2:
If he stood on the conservative manifesto then it is hard to see how he now agrees with the Labour one, he will be welcomed with open arms until his purpose has been served if he leaps over the current labour candidate at the next election what does that say about Labour? His best chance of coming out of this with his integerity intact would have been to go independant which in all likelihood if he is a good MP would probably help him to be Bury South’s MP after the next election, after all as an independant he wouldn’t have to show loyalty to any party something he has shown he doesn’t do
Lot of sense there.
I can see that if he reckons Johnson is failing, he should leave the Tory party. He should (arguably) stand by promises even if Johnson doesn`t. What does “levelling up” mean anyway? Easy to see that what he wants for Bury, what he thought was promised, and what Johnson is delivering are very different.
But as you say, to go so far as to agree with Lab is a long stretch.
Looks like he has been a Lancs councillor so might be known as a “local lad”? Dunno?
We’ve seen Boris relying on Labour votes.It’s all a big one party LibLabCon.
It’s also not a criminal offence to stand for any Party and manifesto to gain votes while not believing in or agreeing with anything that Party or its manifesto stands for.Socialism actually preaches infiltration to circumvent the democratic system.
They call that democracy.
Mazzer2:
If he stood on the conservative manifesto then it is hard to see how he now agrees with the Labour one, he will be welcomed with open arms until his purpose has been served if he leaps over the current labour candidate at the next election what does that say about Labour? His best chance of coming out of this with his integerity intact would have been to go independant which in all likelihood if he is a good MP would probably help him to be Bury South’s MP after the next election, after all as an independant he wouldn’t have to show loyalty to any party something he has shown he doesn’t do
Lot of sense there.
I can see that if he reckons Johnson is failing, he should leave the Tory party. He should (arguably) stand by promises even if Johnson doesn`t. What does “levelling up” mean anyway? Easy to see that what he wants for Bury, what he thought was promised, and what Johnson is delivering are very different.
But as you say, to go so far as to agree with Lab is a long stretch.
Looks like he has been a Lancs councillor so might be known as a “local lad”? Dunno?
We’ve seen Boris relying on Labour votes.It’s all a big one party LibLabCon.
It’s also not a criminal offence to stand for any Party and manifesto to gain votes while not believing in or agreeing with anything that Party or its manifesto stands for.Socialism actually preaches infiltration to circumvent the democratic system.
They call that democracy.
Well I guess you could stand for election as communist.
I’m sure you could talk them onto accepting you as a candidate. Go on be a Trojan Horse.
What puzzles me is that the electorate voted Tory . If he is now labour that is a gross betrayal of said electorate . Surely a by-election should be called . He no longer represents the majority .
rigsby:
What puzzles me is that the electorate voted Tory . If he is now labour that is a gross betrayal of said electorate . Surely a by-election should be called . He no longer represents the majority .
Like infiltration to scam a mandate there’s no legal obligation to call a by election if an MP ‘changes sides’.It makes a total joke of the idea of democratic elections and democracy.
Although everything the Tories have done since Cameron’s EU referendum stunt backfired has been a false flag with the intention of keeping the initiative with the remainers like Starmer and Davey.Including May deliberately calling and trying to throw a General Election.
In addition to allowing London’s mayor and the GLA to act as though it’s an autonomous sovereign Labour run republic.
The truth is Boris and his Con Party wanted this and the Partying stunt was just another false flag on the way to establishing the LibLabCon Junta over the country.Make no mistake Boris wants to strengthen Starmer’s and Davey’s position everything else is an act.
As you’ll see when you’re trying to afford the all electric energy bill, car use banned and the choice of Vegan food or nothing for dinner.
rigsby:
What puzzles me is that the electorate voted Tory . If he is now labour that is a gross betrayal of said electorate . Surely a by-election should be called . He no longer represents the majority .
When Cresswell and Reckless changed to UKIP,Farage insisted that they put themselves up for re election.The correct thing to do.
Mazzer2:
If he stood on the conservative manifesto then it is hard to see how he now agrees with the Labour one, he will be welcomed with open arms until his purpose has been served if he leaps over the current labour candidate at the next election what does that say about Labour? His best chance of coming out of this with his integerity intact would have been to go independant which in all likelihood if he is a good MP would probably help him to be Bury South’s MP after the next election, after all as an independant he wouldn’t have to show loyalty to any party something he has shown he doesn’t do
