Braveheart2009:
I was 2.71 ton overloaded the police said it will likely be a £600 fine and no points or convictions/detainment at a police station, I asked the police to come out and unlock the vehicle cuffs/cable/clamp no one turned up, then i seen another officer i assume from the same police station as it was round the back of the place said he will be right with me in 2 mins came back 20 mins and said i need to leave someone has a bump up north, then he instructed the DVSA guy done it and weighed the vehicle with half the box empty and i asked the DVSA officer would you inform the police my vehicle is uncuffed he said he would contact the police to make them aware, but he didnt take the registration plate? was he playing me about? The man and van guy said you do not need to contact the police to remove the cuffs the DVSA guys do it themselves the police dont have the tool or the power. He also told me you can just drive away as your vehicle doesnt have the cuffs on and no paperwork/signature rather than waiting around for them to weigh you!
I fear the worse not been able to sleep/eat properly for 2 days after reading about someone else done the same and they got banned from driving and heavily fined. There was 2 offences 1 for overloading and another likley to cause injury to other road users. What will happen to me?
From experience probably about 10 yrs inside and a £100,000 fine plus community service and vehicle confiscated
You have had a similar experience yeah and this was the end result yes?
He can’t answer ,.he appealed but failed,.and they sent him for execution.
Fuzrat:
so you were 2.7 Ton over on a 3.5t gvw van? That is far from a mistake and seems it happens fairly regular if your other post is anything to go by. Quite honestly, at 78% over, you deserve to be disqualified for a period.
And what should happen to the people who loaded the goods onto the vehicle?
Braveheart2009:
I was 2.71 ton overloaded the police said it will likely be a £600 fine and no points or convictions/detainment at a police station, I asked the police to come out and unlock the vehicle cuffs/cable/clamp no one turned up, then i seen another officer i assume from the same police station as it was round the back of the place said he will be right with me in 2 mins came back 20 mins and said i need to leave someone has a bump up north, then he instructed the DVSA guy done it and weighed the vehicle with half the box empty and i asked the DVSA officer would you inform the police my vehicle is uncuffed he said he would contact the police to make them aware, but he didnt take the registration plate? was he playing me about? The man and van guy said you do not need to contact the police to remove the cuffs the DVSA guys do it themselves the police dont have the tool or the power. He also told me you can just drive away as your vehicle doesnt have the cuffs on and no paperwork/signature rather than waiting around for them to weigh you!
I fear the worse not been able to sleep/eat properly for 2 days after reading about someone else done the same and they got banned from driving and heavily fined. There was 2 offences 1 for overloading and another likley to cause injury to other road users. What will happen to me?
From experience probably about 10 yrs inside and a £100,000 fine plus community service and vehicle confiscated
You have had a similar experience yeah and this was the end result yes?
He can’t answer ,.he appealed but failed,.and they sent him for execution.
Braveheart2009:
the truck drove fine for 160 miles 3 hours no one was hurt. Its being made out that I killed someone. Other police cars passed me and done nothing.
Ah, that’s okay then!
Using the old “what if…” phrase, had things gone wrong for you, that excess could becgg to he difference between a fine or prison!
Has the operator notified the TC yet, had visit from DVSA, realised they’ll now be red OCRS, a future ’stop of interest’ to DVSA etc.
Other than that, no problem
So not just a few miles journey with little chance of a weighbridge to check, but a 160 mile trawl with tyres at the very limit of what they were designed to carry, what could possibly go wrong? about the only mitigating factor was the cool weather, had it been the heat of summer…
It would be only right to bring the court’s attention to the negligence of those police officers who failed in their duty of preventing the carriage of a load destined for a small truck on a van, the magistrates or judge will appreciate that .
There’s an old saying along the lines of when in hole stop digging, that might apply.
Braveheart2009:
the truck drove fine for 160 miles 3 hours no one was hurt. Its being made out that I killed someone. Other police cars passed me and done nothing.
Ahh right that changes everything, the Police obviously noticed you and thought …‘Nah, he’ll be fine’…
Just carry on as normal mate.
(Thinks …in a comic type ‘balloon from the head’ stylee…
Hmmmm.Is this guy on a mischievous wind up or just numb from the neck up. )
Most of us engaged in general haulage in the 80’s & 90’s have on occasion run grossly overloaded. The difference then was traffic densities, no social media and arguably a more relaxed attitude from the authorities (I’m not saying it was acceptable back then). The main difference was that we knew when to keep schtum.
When I was on bulk tippers and the MGW was 38 tonnes, I loaded fuller’s earth at Richborough port once. There wasn’t a weighbridge there but there was at the other end and when I pulled on to it I was grossing 53 tonnes.
Think my record was 38 tonnes on a 32 tonne 4 axle outfit.
2 of us were loading timber at Avonmouth for Aberdeen, both owner drivers for same firm.
Obviously the loader was not aware of the new 38 tonne rules of 5/6 axles at the time.
The guy with me (an owner driver) broke down at the docks, and I ended up taking his trailer,.his load had to be there first, I was told to do so by the firm we both pulled for.
Got home on the Friday, set off Sunday for Aberdeen, got pulled at the old wood yard rd at Lockerbie,weighed over weight, and was told to drop trailer by police and leave it.
Went to court a few weeks later, explained no weighbridge, and that I was told to change trailers, also told them it was rate per load rather than per tonne (blagged it ) so no financial gain made,.also explained about the loader and the new 38 tonne rules.
I got the impression the court, or the guy in charge on the day, was not used to this type of haulage offence .
Anyway,.I got off with a warning…different days eh?
For those that like me can’t tear their eyes away from what must surely be a wind up thread, when you think you might be overweight but have no means of checking, you are allowed to drive to the nearest publically available weighbridge. If at that point you find you’re overweight, you haven’t committed an offence (unless you try to drive off again).
My record overweight is hard to identify, I was once told to move a preloaded 32 tonner from our sister company next door and tip it into our yard, only a short distance on a public road with an internal load, so no weighbridge ticket required.
It was handling like a pig so out of curiosity I put it on the weighbridge, the weighbridge operator dragged me into his cabin where the scales read “Out of range”. So that 32 tonner weighed significantly more than 50 tonnes that day
Needless to say the ram did not want to raise that tipper body, I needed help from two FLTs.
The boss believed all the risk of that movement was on me, until I told him the little nugget of info above, but which he chose not to believe.
can we all agree this photo is 10% overloaded on axle 1 and 90% overloaded on axle 2. Also, the second picture the DVSA said this is all you are allowed legally before driving off does this look right.
Braveheart2009:
can we all agree this photo is 10% overloaded on axle 1 and 90% overloaded on axle 2. Also, the second picture the DVSA said this is all you are allowed legally before driving off does this look right.
I thought you would be posting photos of the weighbridge ticket/display.
There was an Iveco Luton on one of the ‘caught’ faceache pages, plod saying it was weighing in at it 7t or something & it was a 3.5t except it id spotted it wasn’t, it was a 6.5t they’d downrated to a 3.5t so needed no OPs licence & tacho etc I’d assume.
I laughed as I’d had one & it was 3.9t empty with me in, they unloaded everything from that mateys van & it was still 3.8t! so it still wasn’t allowed to drive away even empty!
iguana:
There was an Iveco Luton on one of the ‘caught’ faceache pages, plod saying it was weighing in at it 7t or something & it was a 3.5t except it id spotted it wasn’t, it was a 6.5t they’d downrated to a 3.5t so needed no OPs licence & tacho etc I’d assume.
I laughed as I’d had one & it was 3.9t empty with me in, they unloaded everything from that mateys van & it was still 3.8t! so it still wasn’t allowed to drive away even empty!
I said this in another one of the OP’s threads, he’s driving one of those down plated trucks, to circumvent the rules… now he’s caught out, and they’ve thrown the book at him, he’s crying.
I was scratching my head how you could overload a van about 80% and not notice its arse dragging along the road behind you; but the downplating makes sense. I mean - it doesn’t make sense, a decent sized Luton weighs about 2.7t, leaving very little for actual cargo. Fine for carrying Chinese reconnaissance balloons, bags of feathers, polystyrene packaging (but no contents in the boxes), but not much else.
Been advised on here and elsewhere of prison sentence, community service, £100,000 fines, court appearence in the dock with the traffic commissioner grilling you about what you done, for being 2.71 ton over 77%. overloaded
They slapped me with 3 points and £245 fine. Main reason I plead guilty was £2000-4000 plus lawyer fees to pay following a failed investigation then court fines ontop of it. Also, didnt have enough paperwork, eye witness, video/audio recordings to defend just my geuine reasons which lawyers/public ridiculed me for apart from 1-2 good friends who defended me.
Lawyers gave me a very inaccurate picture like it was so serious you could face dangerous driving and case will be esculated to the crown court. oh deary me!, your better defending yourself in court and read some books.
Reason, I am posting is to calm drivers fears over overloading. The 3 points come off automatically after 3 years from the offence date but they remain on your driving history record between 4-11 years depending on severity. They give you 14 days to pay your fine online. No court appearence they just want your money.
They took around 6 months to complete everything. It doesn’t matter how much you overload its the same fine and 3 points for a first offence.
Braveheart2009:
Been advised on here and elsewhere of prison sentence, community service, £100,000 fines, court appearence in the dock with the traffic commissioner grilling you about what you done, for being 2.71 ton over 77%. overloaded
They slapped me with 3 points and £245 fine. Main reason I plead guilty was £2000-4000 plus lawyer fees to pay following a failed investigation then court fines ontop of it. Also, didnt have enough paperwork, eye witness, video/audio recordings to defend just my geuine reasons which lawyers/public ridiculed me for apart from 1-2 good friends who defended me.
Lawyers gave me a very inaccurate picture like it was so serious you could face dangerous driving and case will be esculated to the crown court. oh deary me!, your better defending yourself in court and read some books.
Reason, I am posting is to calm drivers fears over overloading. The 3 points come off automatically after 3 years from the offence date but they remain on your driving history record between 4-11 years depending on severity. They give you 14 days to pay your fine online. No court appearence they just want your money.
They took around 6 months to complete everything. It doesn’t matter how much you overload its the same fine and 3 points for a first offence.
Of course you didn’t get called before the TC, that’s because you don’t have an operators licence. If you did have an operators licence, and you are 77% overloaded, your feet wouldn’t touch the ground on your way to his office.
Considering that you carry insurance in the first place, I would love to see your renewal quote, when you inform them of your “minor overloading issue”…
Mean while, letting the tyres of these “down plated, rate cutting, tacho rules busting 7.5 ton vans” down, is great sport.
carlston49:
If the towing vehicle is 2,000kg, the trailer can be 3,500kg as the train weight doesn’t exceed 5,500kg.
However, I would have thought it would be safer if the towing vehicle was 3,500kg if the trailer is 3,500kg so that the tail doesn’t wag the dog…but that would not be allowed as the train weight would then be more than 5,500kg.
The towing vehicle can’t be 2,000kg because he’s already stated the Gross weight is 3,500 and even if it actually weighs less than that, you can’t change its allowable weight. So in this case it’s always a trailer of no more than 2,000
The train weight goes on actual weight and not the plated weight
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) so no financial gain made,.also explained about the loader and the new 38 tonne rules.
