Cause and effect?

Well at least one British haulier seems to be benefiting from the great Satan otherwise known as Brexit! :smiley: : every day of the week there are between four and ten Walter Koops vehicles bringing loads into our coldstore, but this week (and especially yesterday as I was shunting) I noticed that all the trailers were being pulled by British subbies.

I spoke to one of the drivers yesterday (Mark Stewart haulage) and questioned him about it. He said that apparently it’s easier now for Koops just to send unaccompanied trailers over and to use subbies. Perhaps I’ve not been paying attention before but prior to this I’ve never seen a subbie pulling a Koops trailer.

So at least someone is benefiting already.

Edit to add: not a bloody clue why autocorrect chose “sunbird “ over subbies! Changed it now. :blush:

the maoster:
Well at least one British haulier seems to be benefiting from the great Satan otherwise known as Brexit! :smiley: : every day of the week there are between four and ten Walter Koops vehicles bringing loads into our coldstore, but this week (and especially yesterday as I was shunting) I noticed that all the trailers were being pulled by British sunbird.

I spoke to one of the drivers yesterday (Mark Stewart haulage) and questioned him about it. He said that apparently it’s easier now for Koops just to send unaccompanied trailers over and to use subbies. Perhaps I’ve not been paying attention before but prior to this I’ve never seen a subbie pulling a Koops trailer.

So at least someone is benefiting already.

Let’s just hope that the rate for job is decent and not just doing it for that make nothing sentence, back load rates

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So, assuming the split trip between different hauliers will be less efficient and cost more?
(If cheaper/quicker why wasn`t it done before?)
Then a UK haulier will get some more work, the UK buyer will pay more for transport, and pass the costs on to buyers of goods/food.

Transport costs more = shop prices increase.

(No such thing as a free lunch)

Franglais:
So, assuming the split trip between different hauliers will be less efficient and cost more?
(If cheaper/quicker why wasn`t it done before?)
Then a UK haulier will get some more work, the UK buyer will pay more for transport, and pass the costs on to buyers of goods/food.

Transport costs more = shop prices increase.

(No such thing as a free lunch)

Unlike Franglais, I dont just try to explain the universe with a negative brexit angle… :grimacing:

The Dutch are not known for wasting money, and have used every trick in the book to lower their expenditure. In the mid to late 80’s they were already, personally, preparing in the Eastern Block, greasing palms and setting up offices, so that when the wall came down, they were ready and rolling.

Theres not that many Dutch International companies who dont have flagged out (most) of their fleet to East European countries, and Walter Koops is one of them. Trailers will be a mix of Dutch and EE registrations, but almost all of their units are registered in Poland. Also, not a lot of Dutch drivers on those wagons.
I think it’s down to drivers not wanting to come to the UK, worried that they may get stuck here, either because of paperwork problems, backload problems, or border shenanigans by the French. The rigmarole of having to get a covid test everytime you cross wont help either.
I’ve seen an increasing number of vacancies in the Netherlands for drivers on UK (only) work.

Franglais:
So, assuming the split trip between different hauliers will be less efficient and cost more?
(If cheaper/quicker why wasn`t it done before?)
Then a UK haulier will get some more work, the UK buyer will pay more for transport, and pass the costs on to buyers of goods/food.

Transport costs more = shop prices increase.

(No such thing as a free lunch)

I don’t know the reason either, but you’re right Franglais, it could NOT possibly be some kind of advantage or positive effect off Brexit could it now.
I’ve read all the doom gloom and negativity so how the hell could it be .
:unamused:
Why look on the bright side of things when you can crap on it .

Franglais:
Transport costs more = shop prices increase.

(No such thing as a free lunch)

It was well known that the UK has had cheap food and cheap clothing on the back of cheap foreign labour and transport.
If the price of tomatoes goes up a few pence to help support British jobs then I’m in.

msgyorkie:

Franglais:
Transport costs more = shop prices increase.

(No such thing as a free lunch)

It was well known that the UK has had cheap food and cheap clothing on the back of cheap foreign labour and transport.
If the price of tomatoes goes up a few pence to help support British jobs then I’m in.

A perfectly fair comment IMHO: Ups and downs.

msgyorkie:

Franglais:
Transport costs more = shop prices increase.

(No such thing as a free lunch)

It was well known that the UK has had cheap food and cheap clothing on the back of cheap foreign labour and transport.
If the price of tomatoes goes up a few pence to help support British jobs then I’m in.

If that was all there was to it, it’d be fine, but one of the reasons we’ve had so many foreign workers is there are a lot of British ‘workers’ who won’t do ‘menial jobs’, a higher than average proportion of these are in my neck of the woods (Middlesbrough & Hartlepool consistently feature in the Top Ten areas for jobless households).

Franglais:
So, assuming the split trip between different hauliers will be less efficient and cost more?
(If cheaper/quicker why wasn`t it done before?)
Then a UK haulier will get some more work, the UK buyer will pay more for transport, and pass the costs on to buyers of goods/food.

Transport costs more = shop prices increase.

(No such thing as a free lunch)

The ferry crossing has to be at least five or six hours long for sending trailers unaccompanied to become a cost effective alternative.

Not surprised that Brexit isn’t all doom and gloom, but I’m sure the trailers will find their place behind Pl-reg lorries again after the dust settles and the customs bureaucracy is streamlined. Transport should cost more though.

milodon:

Franglais:
So, assuming the split trip between different hauliers will be less efficient and cost more?
(If cheaper/quicker why wasn`t it done before?)
Then a UK haulier will get some more work, the UK buyer will pay more for transport, and pass the costs on to buyers of goods/food.

Transport costs more = shop prices increase.

(No such thing as a free lunch)

The ferry crossing has to be at least five or six hours long for sending trailers unaccompanied to become a cost effective alternative.

Not surprised that Brexit isn’t all doom and gloom, but I’m sure the trailers will find their place behind Pl-reg lorries again after the dust settles and the customs bureaucracy is streamlined. Transport should cost more though.

Quite so.
The quick and cheap short sea crossings rely on the boats turning quickly, not being â– â– â– â– â– â– â–  for hours as tuggies drag trailers on and off. And there is not enough space either side of the channel for marshaling yards.
(Holds good with the train/tunnel too: tuggies reversing half a klik, one at a time, to get a dropped trailer?)

If the end customer is paying a delivered price, in the short-term it will mean either squeezed margins for transport or they will pass it on to the original supplier. That is of course if it is more expensive, which was an assumption in the first place.

I realise for various reasons including continuity of supply, that there always has to be goods flowing, but perhaps if the transport does get prohibitively expensive, this will encourage production and sourcing of (some) products domestically, reducing the overall carbon footprint and establishing jobs on these shores. The entire production process from raw material to delivered product may also be expedited.

I realise these sentiments won’t be entirely agreeable with some ideologies that are regularly dispensed on these pages.

Too early to take any conclusions? Speculation? Yes, on all sides… probably.