JoeG you’re a brave man , i wouldnt let the burd any wear near my wheels. I also hate being a passenger, i cannae even get a taxi without grumbling to myself 
Steve-o:
so at a busy J, you should stop at the end and end up pulling out in front of someone? Hmmm… I would argue that one in court I think. Thanks for all the replies. Including the ramming of vehicles, I must try that one some time to see if it’s effective
i had some numpty in a van drive straight into the side on my trailer, i was on the A30 towards the M5 as you come past Exeter Airport, said numpty came down the slip road and promptly ran out of road, no hard shoulder for him to run along, ooooops, bye bye wing mirror
merc0447:
JoeG you’re a brave man , i wouldnt let the burd any wear near my wheels. I also hate being a passenger, i cannae even get a taxi without grumbling to myself
Her car, her insurance 
Im off to uni with her on friday, its gonna be interesting 
If anyone sees a Red Clio going down the M1 from J27-J21 between 10 and 11 with a scared passenger, that shall be me
Hope she dont see this 
JoeG:
renaultman:
JoeG:
:roll: Dont. My GF is one of these people. She moaned to me because she was joining the motorway, the lorry didnt move over so she had to stop.
Its no good me telling her that she should have adjusted her speed(by how it sounded she ran along side the lorry wanting it to pull out, before she had to slow right down/stop before she could join the motor way) because you cant tell her anything about her driving
This is the person that passed her test, could reverse into a space if it was an easy one of just turning the wheel. But she didnt have a clue which way to turn the wheel if she needed to adjust. We went to Matlock, easy space to go into. Needed to reverse back and just slide the car over to the left abit. She didnt have a clue which way to turn the wheel, had to start turning it for her after i had tried explaining, then telling for her to still not get it right.
But, cant tell her anything about her driving or i get accused of not trusting her driving
Bloody woman.At which time she would, no doubt accelerate up his inside, leaving him stuck in the 2nd lane like a twot.
No, ive not seen her do that.
Personally i thought she should have been checking before and changed her speed so she didnt need to stop.
It did sound quite like she ran along side it on the slip road, it didnt move out so she had to brake and stop before going onto the hard shoulder. But it was the lorry drivers fault, he should have moved over she said
She hasnt got the best view of lorry drivers. Not bad to say its the job i want to do when i can
No offence!
That’s what most of em do, in my experience.
And in answer to Rog.
I prefer downhill sliproads,
(a) so I can get as much speed up as possible
(B) I can judge the whole carriageway, ahead and behind, and find the ideal gab to slip into.
I hate long uphill drags onto a motorway, and making the decision to enter the carriageway, hoping that everyone has seen you and had time to plan for me.
The other thing that doesn’t affect me, but really P’s me off. Is people entering a motorway, behind a slower moving truck, and a car, to go straight into the next lane forcing the car in front to brake behind the truck. Just another example of the terrible bad manners on the roads today 
JoeG:
down the M1 from J27-J21
M1 J21 - that’s my area !!!
Steve-o:
What does the law say if a car reaches the end of the on slip? Run on the shoulder to get on? Come to a complete stop?
Easy, traffic coming from the right has prority.
ROG:
JoeG:
down the M1 from J27-J21M1 J21 - that’s my area !!!
Oooo careful then ROG!!
Ill be around Leicester Uni for an hour kicking me heels. Not far from where that Double decker bus wacked the bridge when it had all them school kids on. On Lincoln Way.
Any good cafes around there?
JoeG:
Any good cafes around there?
YUP - ask for directions to the Wholesale Fruit Market on the Freemans Common industrial estate - cafe is in front of it.
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ROG:
JoeG:
Any good cafes around there?YUP - ask for directions to the Wholesale Fruit Market on the Freemans Common industrial estate - cafe is in front of it.
multimap.com/s/q3VlzFx7
Cheers ROG, if its just down there then ill know the way sort of to it(the directions to go anyway. 
i used to pull out to let cars on…then got sick of being hung out to dry in lane 2.
i used to pull out to let lorrys on…then got sick of being hung out to dry in lane 2.
now i dont pull over to let anyone out ever.period.
There is an LGV trainer on these forums who teaches his pupils to stop on the slip road, mind you he is old school, he has been at it for years.
I very rarely, almost never, pull out to allow cars onto the motorway…i will do with trucks if it is quiet.
Mainly this is because being limited to 52 i would nearly always end up getting stranded in lane 2!
Particular favourite of mine is when the car has loads of room to pull out behind me, but decides to speed up so they are in my blind spot and wait for me to move… 
Don’t they teach you how to enter a motorway/dc from a slip as part of learning to drive? I remember being taught to have a look over my left shoulder as I came down the sliproad to see what traffic there was and if I needed to speed up/slow down to merge safely? Still do it today and have no problems, gets difficult when your following some numpty attmpting to get on a busy motorway at 30/40mph, traffic may let him out but leave you stuck in no mans land
In the truck I rarely pull out to let anyone on, unless it’s a slower truck, just get stranded in lane 2 otherwise as everyone just tries to undertake instead of letting you back in 
On the very odd occasion I may flash my lights to let someone in, only when I can be bothered, the other Friday I was heading home down the M3 and flashed a high spec Audi A4 with four business men inside, three times I signalled to let them in and they ignored me, carried on right along the sliproad to the end and then swerved onto hardshoulder, slowed down, then floored it, cut me up and went straight to the fast lane and away, god knows what was going on 
Grayham:
Don’t they teach you how to enter a motorway/dc from a slip as part of learning to drive? I remember being taught to have a look over my left shoulder as I came down the sliproad to see what traffic there was and if I needed to speed up/slow down to merge safely? Still do it today and have no problems, gets difficult when your following some numpty attmpting to get on a busy motorway at 30/40mph, traffic may let him out but leave you stuck in no mans landIn the truck I rarely pull out to let anyone on, unless it’s a slower truck, just get stranded in lane 2 otherwise as everyone just tries to undertake instead of letting you back in
On the very odd occasion I may flash my lights to let someone in, only when I can be bothered, the other Friday I was heading home down the M3 and flashed a high spec Audi A4 with four business men inside, three times I signalled to let them in and they ignored me, carried on right along the sliproad to the end and then swerved onto hardshoulder, slowed down, then floored it, cut me up and went straight to the fast lane and away, god knows what was going on
No.You might do abit of theory on it, but for most this will just be about lanes and that sort of thing. Its what i can remember of when i did my theory test anyway. I deffinatly cant remember being told how to get onto a motorway or it even being in the theory test but i am probably wrong.
i never pull out to let cars onto the motorway, they can go faster than 56 so bloody well get going faster than that.
rarely pull out to let trucks out, only do it with uphill sliproads and if im going faster than them. sick of being stuck in lane 2 then cars undertaking you,
Grayham:
Don’t they teach you how to enter a motorway/dc from a slip as part of learning to drive? I remember being taught to have a look over my left shoulder as I came down the sliproad to see what traffic there was and if I needed to speed up/slow down to merge safely? Still do it today and have no problems, gets difficult when your following some numpty attmpting to get on a busy motorway at 30/40mph, traffic may let him out but leave you stuck in no mans landIn the truck I rarely pull out to let anyone on, unless it’s a slower truck, just get stranded in lane 2 otherwise as everyone just tries to undertake instead of letting you back in
On the very odd occasion I may flash my lights to let someone in, only when I can be bothered, the other Friday I was heading home down the M3 and flashed a high spec Audi A4 with four business men inside, three times I signalled to let them in and they ignored me, carried on right along the sliproad to the end and then swerved onto hardshoulder, slowed down, then floored it, cut me up and went straight to the fast lane and away, god knows what was going on
I bet you cause some trouble getting on the main drag then.
Goaty:
My solution, though not PC would I think be effective,simply relax the firearms laws for “Truckers” and allow them to carry sidearms !
Publicise the fact and if this isn’t deterrent enough then the [zb] car driver population would soon encounter natural selection !
[zb] !
Goaty for PM
ROG:
redboxer850:
Driving on the motorway
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Joining the motorway. When you join the motorway you will normally approach it from a road on the left (a slip road) or from an adjoining motorway. You should
give priority to traffic already on the motorway
check the traffic on the motorway and match your speed to fit safely into the traffic flow in the left-hand lane
not cross solid white lines that separate lanes or use the hard shoulder
stay on the slip road if it continues as an extra lane on the motorway
remain in the left-hand lane long enough to adjust to the speed of traffic before considering overtakingIf, for what ever reason, it is not safely possible to join and the slip road has ended then choose the best SAFETY option - in most cases this will be to use the hard shoulder as an unofficial slip road extension.
I have been in this situation where the ONLY space left by those in lane 1 was barely large enough to fit my vehicle into whilst I was on the slip road - not one driver would ease off to make a safe space - got some flashing me to come in but not leaving any safety room !!!
I can usually make the space but this was one instance where no-one would assist and dropping to a 10mph crawl to stay in the slip road would mean a speed differential of about 20 mph - all lanes full with traffic doing between 30 (lane 1) and 40 (lane 3)
For those trying to get from lane 1 to lane 2 was just as safely impossible as no-one seemed to want to ease off for safety
Rog,
You, of all people, should know that:-
You MUST NOT drive on the hard shoulder except in an emergency or if directed to do so by the police, HA traffic officers in uniform or by signs.
being unable to join the motorway is NOT an emergency, as I found out to my cost about 20 years ago when I got nicked for doing the exact same thing as you suggested 
IF, you are unable to find a gap, you should (as daft as it sounds) stop at the end of the slip road, and then wait until a gap appears.
You will probably say that is madness, but it is only the same as joining a D/C from a layby. That manoeuvre often has to be carried out from a standing start.
redboxer850:
Rog,
You, of all people, should know that:-You MUST NOT drive on the hard shoulder except in an emergency or if directed to do so by the police, HA traffic officers in uniform or by signs.
being unable to join the motorway is NOT an emergency, as I found out to my cost about 20 years ago when I got nicked for doing the exact same thing as you suggested
IF, you are unable to find a gap, you should (as daft as it sounds) stop at the end of the slip road, and then wait until a gap appears.
You will probably say that is madness, but it is only the same as joining a D/C from a layby. That manoeuvre often has to be carried out from a standing start.
It is not only daft but potentially dangerous.
Follow the simple ethos -
- SAFE
- LEGAL
- CONVENIENT (as poss)
Did you take your case to court so that a full explanation could be given using safety as the key factor?
I do pull over to let cars on the motorway if it’s clear in lane 2 to do so. My philosophy is they may not be as skilled as all of us “knights of the road” so help the dears out a bit. Each situation is different, I just take the path of least resistance. I’m also not bothered if they pull on and accelerate up the inside as long as they get out of my way. Tis a bit of a pain when you let someone on and they drive at the same speed as you but if there’s nowt behind and the guy is too much of a prick to slow and let you back in then I will drop off and merge back, not worth getting angry about. Also if he’s a bit faster on the limiter on the flat, I would slow as it’s gonna happen down the road anyway so…