puntabrava:
The clause in there about ‘500 litres maximum capacity for a tank fitted to a trailer’ seems strange, as bowsers are only a tank fitted to a trailer and you can carry under a 1000 litres with no licence, or so i thought?
Sorry mate, but you have possibly confused two completely separate exemptions.
The 1,000 liter exemption applies to fuel carried as cargo.
The other exemption applies to fuel for the vehicle.
dieseldave:
Saratoga:
dieseldave:
Saratoga:
I thought it was something silly like 1000 L.Hi Saratoga,
There is a 1,000 liter exemption in ADR for if the diesel is packaged (drums/jerricans/IBC) and carried as cargo to be delivered.
Ahh, that’ll be where I’ve heard that one then
dieseldave:
Saratoga:
One of my previous employers used to (legally) run their trucks on red diesel and the management were less than thrilled at us having to refuel on white when out and about and as such we would carry around up to 200 litres of diesel strapped to the loadbed area of the trucks, usually against the headboards or where the spreader boards were stored.If the diesel is to be used as extra (spare) fuel for your vehicle, then the limit is 60 liters.
For ADR purposes, it doesn’t matter whether the diesel is red or white.
Well, I raised this before and was told that it was legit. Not sure if I raised it on here but I did bring it up with management but nothing happened. The most I have carried was to job up to Yorkshire carrying a plastic 20L container and two 45L containers strapped to the back of a 7t MAN truck with a 26m Wumag platform on the back.
I’m always interested to know how somebody reckons it was “legit.”
Was the person giving a qualified opinion and would they care to give a credible reference for what they’ve said?Here’s what ADR says about the carriage of fuel for vehicles:
ADR 1.1.3.3 Exemptions related to the carriage of liquid fuels
The provisions laid down in ADR do not apply to the carriage of:
(a) Fuel contained in the tanks of a vehicle performing a transport operation and destined
for its propulsion or for the operation of any of its equipment.
The fuel may be carried in fixed fuel tanks, directly connected to the vehicle’s engine
and/or auxiliary equipment, which comply with the pertinent legal provisions, or may
be carried in portable fuel containers (such as jerricans).
The total capacity of the fixed tanks shall not exceed 1500 litres per transport unit and
the capacity of a tank fitted to a trailer shall not exceed 500 litres. A maximum of 60
litres per transport unit may be carried in portable fuel containers. These restrictions
shall not apply to vehicles operated by the emergency services;Saratoga:
The only photos I have is carrying a 20L plastic container and a 45L jerrycan strapped to the back of the Iveco 4x4 I used to drive a fair bit.I make it that the 110 liter total is more than the 60 liters that are allowed.
Saratoga:
What about with Landrovers that have those storage areas either side of the vehicle, they are made for carrying 2 x 45L jerry cans in those slots and there are two bays either side of the vehicle?I’d guess that they’re designed for carrying jerricans containing something other than spare fuel for the vehicle, or for carying spare fuel for the vehicle ‘off road’ or in some other place than where the ADR limits apply.
dieseldave:
Ooops!!
Yes, 20+45 is indeed 65L, I’d wrongly taken your earlier figures of “2 X 45L jerricans” from what you’d written about landrovers.
To keep legal, you could still use those packages, but you’d have to keep the total to a maximum of 60L.
don’t apologise Dave, it is Saratoga that has got it wrong, he posted about a 20 ltr and 2 x 45 ltr cans strapped to the back of a MAN 7 tonner, as highlighted in blue in the first set of quotes 
a little off topic but whats the max fuel you can keep in cans at home??
asking as had a disagreement at a garage once before when filling up my compressor which is inside the van and they wouldnt switch on the pumps so had to fill up a 5litre can i also keep and chuck that in the compressor tank…plus a local garage has a sign on the desk saying max fuel to be kept at a private home is 5 litres in plastic cans or 10 litres in metal cans…
a link would help for next time so i can print it out…
jayeastanglia:
a little off topic but whats the max fuel you can keep in cans at home??
asking as had a disagreement at a garage once before when filling up my compressor which is inside the van and they wouldnt switch on the pumps so had to fill up a 5litre can i also keep and chuck that in the compressor tank…plus a local garage has a sign on the desk saying max fuel to be kept at a private home is 5 litres in plastic cans or 10 litres in metal cans…
a link would help for next time so i can print it out…
Hi jayeastanglia,
Sorry mate, I can’t give a good answer to your question, because it’s not an ADR question.
I’ve heard of the 5L in plastic and 10L in metal that you said, but I couldn’t say which Regs it comes from.
Since a lot of the rules for filling stations are dealt with by the fire-brigade, it might be an idea to look on a fire-brigade website?
dieseldave:
rodriguez:
dieseldave:
Saratoga:
Ok. Thank you for your information DDNow we’ve got that part sorted…
There’s also another exemption, but it needs reading with care:
ADR 1.1.3.1 Exemptions related to the nature of the transport operation
The provisions laid down in ADR do not apply to:
(a) The carriage of dangerous goods by private individuals where the goods in question
are packaged for retail sale and are intended for their personal or domestic use or for
their leisure or sporting activities provided that measures have been taken to prevent
any leakage of contents in normal conditions of carriage. When these goods are
flammable liquids carried in refillable receptacles filled by, or for, a private individual,
the total quantity shall not exceed 60 litres per receptacle and 240 litres per transport
unit. Dangerous goods in IBCs, large packagings or tanks are not considered to be
packaged for retail sale;
rodriguez:
So the answer is 240l in total and the maximum size of a recepticle is 60l.That answer is correct if you fulfil the conditions attached to it, ie. you’re a private individual… personal or domestic use etc.
However, you said this:
rodriguez:
To answer your earlier question dieseldave the fuel is for refuelling the truck (although some of it may have find it’s way into the bosses van) bought in the ROI, used mostly in NI and carried in 4 jerry cans so 80l in total.So the answer is 60 liters, as I wrote above, unless a lower amount applies for Customs purposes between ROI and NI.
So it is and you answered the other question I was wondering about the position for a private individual.
Cheers dieseldave
so the east european i saw the other day with an ibc full of derv up the front of the tautliner and a pipe down to the trucks tank will be in the clear then
Dilbert, so would a trailer with belly tanks also be legit then?
dilbert:
so the east european i saw the other day with an ibc full of derv up the front of the tautliner and a pipe down to the trucks tank will be in the clear then
Why change something that works. I was fine for the Brits in the 80’s, headboard tanks catwalk tanks, and home made “hydraulic” tanks
I am going to stick my neck out and answer this question from that period. Every Eastern European LIAZ had 2 Jerrycans of fuel carried in a bracket on the chassis. I presume there was a legal reason for that or they would have carried more.
Will this link help anyone?
dieseldave:
ratty_hmvf:
I know the standard 20l jerry can but have yet to meet a 45l one?
Not saying they don’t exist, just that I haven’t seen one.
Got any photo’s?Hi ratty_hmvf,
Depending on what gets posted after this, here’s ADR’s definition of a jerrican:
ADR 1.2.1 “Jerrican” means a metal or plastics packaging of rectangular or polygonal cross-section with one or more orifices;
The largest permitted size of a jerrican is 60L (max net mass = 120kg [ADR 6.1.4.8],) so a 45L jerrican is perfectly OK.
Sorry, but this is one occasion when I don’t have a pic, so the legal definition in ADR is the best I can do.
DD thank you for the definition, I love the thought that some bugger sat down with the remit to “define jerrican” bet he’s a right laugh at partys
Another thing just hit me (ouch), I hump 20l cans around to fill various vehicles and they are kin heavy, a 45l monster would be a hell of a struggle 
but a 60l jobby 
, well I doubt if I could lift the ■■■■■■■
If you are on about ex army type rovers they fit 2 x 20 litre cans each side one side for water one for fuel
Recy_Mech:
If you are on about ex army type rovers they fit 2 x 20 litre cans each side one side for water one for fuel
just don’t pour the wong one in the fuel tank… or tfor that matter, drink the wrong one
One of the regular trucks I drove had this loaded. The management at the time stated it was OK to carry it and that was all the securing I needed for it.
I did try and use metal cans more often but there weren’t many around and the plastic ones were recommended instead as being stronger, which I doubted. I used to stick a ratchet strap around any diesel I carried.
Both of those containers have red diesel on board for the main tank, although ISTR with that vehicle when doing more than 50mph the fuel consumption shot up to 3mpg 
Coffeeholic:
As much as Jerry will let you.I hope this helps.
Coffee, everytime I feel a tad depressed sitting here in 30c heat missing the snow, I come on here and have my fix of humour from you
Thank you
