10killeen10:
I definitely didn’t.
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Mate I’m not accusing you of lying. I’m simply saying that given the evidence of no digi card fault and no tacho head fault there is quite simply only one answer, and that is operator error, ergo you inadvertently pressed buttons that shouldn’t have been pressed and created these problems yourself. Honestly,there simply cannot be another answer.
the maoster:
10killeen10:
I definitely didn’t.
Why would i lie to strangers on the internet.Sent from my VOG-L09 using Tapatalk
Mate I’m not accusing you of lying. I’m simply saying that given the evidence of no digi card fault and no tacho head fault there is quite simply only one answer, and that is operator error, ergo you inadvertently pressed buttons that shouldn’t have been pressed and created these problems yourself. Honestly,there simply cannot be another answer.
Fair play, I’m not against the idea it was my fault.
But i literally put my card in and it said working over hours and the sort, no buttons were pressed.
Is what it is anyway, printouts everyday until next week, when i will have done the required 24hour rest the tacho is telling me to do all day haha.
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10killeen10:
the maoster:
10killeen10:
I definitely didn’t.
Why would i lie to strangers on the internet.Sent from my VOG-L09 using Tapatalk
Mate I’m not accusing you of lying. I’m simply saying that given the evidence of no digi card fault and no tacho head fault there is quite simply only one answer, and that is operator error, ergo you inadvertently pressed buttons that shouldn’t have been pressed and created these problems yourself. Honestly,there simply cannot be another answer.
Fair play, I’m not against the idea it was my fault.
But i literally put my card in and it said working over hours and the sort, no buttons were pressed.
Is what it is anyway, printouts everyday until next week, when i will have done the required 24hour rest the tacho is telling me to do all day haha.Sent from my VOG-L09 using Tapatalk
Did you put your card in and then select no to “rest until now?” Because then it should say do you want to do manual entries?
If you said no to both then I would think it has registered it as other work as evidenced by your card download.
But as said I’d tell that woman who is supposed to know what she is talking about she is talking out of her arse. Somehow you have entered other work instead of a break on your card and the only way to do that is either a manual entry ■■■■ up or as said no to rest til now and no to manual entries.
Might be time to learn how to use a tacho properly to avoid things like this in the future. One offs and it won’t be an issue if pulled by DVSA, but continual ■■■■ ups like that and they will think your trying to hide other things.
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the maoster:
10killeen10:
Downloaded my card last night and spoke to the girl who sorts defects and the sort out in the office.
Its registered as other work, apparently its because i left it on other work when i took my card out.Sent from my VOG-L09 using Tapatalk
If the girl in the office told you that was the cause then she’d probably be better off staying at home doing cooking and stuff. Regardless of what mode the tacho is set to upon card ejection it simply cannot put details on a card that has been removed. Only YOU can do that. You screwed up a manual entry, the end.
So it should show 140 hrs of “?” And not give any warnings?
stu675:
the maoster:
10killeen10:
Downloaded my card last night and spoke to the girl who sorts defects and the sort out in the office.
Its registered as other work, apparently its because i left it on other work when i took my card out.Sent from my VOG-L09 using Tapatalk
If the girl in the office told you that was the cause then she’d probably be better off staying at home doing cooking and stuff. Regardless of what mode the tacho is set to upon card ejection it simply cannot put details on a card that has been removed. Only YOU can do that. You screwed up a manual entry, the end.
So it should show 140 hrs of “?” And not give any warnings?
I would agree with this, all of the ones I’ve used will leave a ? If you say no to manual entries or let it time out. Also the driver could only input hours of other work, poa or break as a manual entry… Are there actually tachos that allow you to input driving time?
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Hmm - I note the comments about making an incorrect manual entry, but how does this explain the fact that both the tacho head and the vehicle dash show 140+ hours of driving time? There is, as far as I am aware, no way to use the manual input facility to enter driving time - the only options are Rest, Work, POA or “?”.
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^^^^ the vehicle dash display takes its cue from the tachograph and I’m willing to bet that what the op intended to say was 141 hours continuous duty time as opposed to driving time.
the maoster:
^^^^ the vehicle dash display takes its cue from the tachograph and I’m willing to bet that what the op intended to say was 141 hours continuous duty time as opposed to driving time.
The display and tacho head are pictured near the top of the tread.
Check for yourself.
In this case it is 100% a tachograph/card fault. I had one very similar.
In OP’s photo
From the tachograph manual
https://www.fleet.vdo.co.uk/media/1813/ba_dtco_40_en_internet.pdf:
Data set for events or faults
My printout
I happened to take a printout before I ejected my card, then noticed the error on the head so I reinserted to check and made the second printout. You can see everything after midnight (UTC) has been lost and recorded as other work. I have used the same vehicle and many others since and not had the same error.
Cuttlefish:
In this case it is 100% a tachograph/card fault. I had one very similar.In OP’s photo
From the tachograph manual
https://www.fleet.vdo.co.uk/media/1813/ba_dtco_40_en_internet.pdf:
Data set for events or faults
My printout
I happened to take a printout before I ejected my card, then noticed the error on the head so I reinserted to check and made the second printout. You can see everything after midnight (UTC) has been lost and recorded as other work. I have used the same vehicle and many others since and not had the same error.
Well spotted and having the same issue obviously helped in spotting what was wrong here.
So either a tacho head fault and or a card fault.
I’d guess it couldn’t write to the card for some reason, but seems in both cases to be writing to the cards after.
Very strange scenario indeed.
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I said that on page 1 where I linked the manual.
The print-out is clear - it has recorded a card error and an internal fault. There is a problem with the tacho.
Maybe the night driver avoids the problem somehow in the way he operates it? No idea, but the print-out clearly shows a fault.
You have to laugh. Several of us said, right from the outset that there was a fault with the tacho, yet still some participants maintained (repeatedly) that the OP had cocked up a manual entry (even asserting that was the only possible answer) with one even loftily pronouncing that the OP should “learn how to use a tachograph properly” (while making repeated references to responses to the “Rest until now?” question, even though that doesn’t actually feature on VDO tachographs).
Maybe we should all pay a bit more attention in our Driver CPC sessions…?
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Roymondo:
You have to laugh. Several of us said, right from the outset that there was a fault with the tacho, yet still some participants maintained (repeatedly) that the OP had cocked up a manual entry (even asserting that was the only possible answer) with one even loftily pronouncing that the OP should “learn how to use a tachograph properly” (while making repeated references to responses to the “Rest until now?” question, even though that doesn’t actually feature on VDO tachographs).Maybe we should all pay a bit more attention in our Driver CPC sessions…?
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Soz god I’m clearly not as perfect as you!
It seemed the only explanation given the info we had to go on.
Having never had a fault like that then non of us were aware it was even an issue.
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Roymondo:
You have to laugh. Several of us said, right from the outset that there was a fault with the tacho, yet still some participants maintained (repeatedly) that the OP had cocked up a manual entry (even asserting that was the only possible answer) with one even loftily pronouncing that the OP should “learn how to use a tachograph properly” (while making repeated references to responses to the “Rest until now?” question, even though that doesn’t actually feature on VDO tachographs).Maybe we should all pay a bit more attention in our Driver CPC sessions…?
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Oh and I can count on one hand how many times I’ve had an internal or card fault. The only times I get internal fault is usually down to a power interruption. As for card errors probably a couple of times in many years.
And some of us swap regularly between trucks with VDO or stone ridge tachos.
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Christopher Hitchens:
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence
and/or
Arthur Brisbane:
Use a picture. It’s worth a thousand words.
It’s all well and good being right but if you don’t explain why you are right what have you achieved?
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simcor:
having the same issue obviously helped in spotting what was wrong here.
And now I am conscious of vehicle and card errors on printouts. (Actually since getting “Time overlap”.)
simcor:
Soz god I’m clearly not as perfect as you!It seemed the only explanation given the info we had to go on.
I’m far from perfect! (Just ask Mrs Roymondo for a brief synopsis to start with… )
The info provided (140+ hrs of driving time recorded) made it pretty much impossible to be a manual entry error as you simply don’t get the option to input driving time during manual entries. Plus the OP had already provided images of a printout clearly showing error/fault codes. That’s what I was alluding to with my DCPC comment, as the fault/error section on a printout is (or should be) covered in any session on tachograph use. Even if you don’t know what they all mean, their presence on a printout is a clear indicator of some problem with the kit.
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10killeen10:
Have an update.
The tacho is fine as the niggt driver has been having no issues.
Downloaded my card last night and spoke to the girl who sorts defects and the sort out in the office.
Its registered as other work, apparently its because i left it on other work when i took my card out.
First time this has happened as i never change to rest when i take my card out.Sent from my VOG-L09 using Tapatalk
That’s why, as mentioned in another thread, I make a point of putting onto rest before I eject my card, and then doing a manual entry the following morning, to confirm that the rest period has been taken and avoid any assumptions.
I suggest it’s a good habit to get into.
Sidevalve:
10killeen10:
Have an update.
The tacho is fine as the niggt driver has been having no issues.
Downloaded my card last night and spoke to the girl who sorts defects and the sort out in the office.
Its registered as other work, apparently its because i left it on other work when i took my card out.
First time this has happened as i never change to rest when i take my card out.Sent from my VOG-L09 using Tapatalk
That’s why, as mentioned in another thread, I make a point of putting onto rest before I eject my card, and then doing a manual entry the following morning, to confirm that the rest period has been taken and avoid any assumptions.
I suggest it’s a good habit to get into.
It’s a pointless habit to get into. If you do a correct manual entry on your card when inserting it then all is fine. Also even if you don’t do a manual entry it has never once became an infringement for me when I never used to manual entries on my card. If the card is out of the tacho it is assumed to be a rest period plain and simple. You also cannot end your duty on rest as we all know. You would also have to leave it on rest for a minute really anyway, as it’s has to be on a mode for at least 30 secs to count that activity, anything less than 30 secs and it won’t record that activity.
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simcor:
Sidevalve:
10killeen10:
Have an update.
The tacho is fine as the niggt driver has been having no issues.
Downloaded my card last night and spoke to the girl who sorts defects and the sort out in the office.
Its registered as other work, apparently its because i left it on other work when i took my card out.
First time this has happened as i never change to rest when i take my card out.Sent from my VOG-L09 using Tapatalk
That’s why, as mentioned in another thread, I make a point of putting onto rest before I eject my card, and then doing a manual entry the following morning, to confirm that the rest period has been taken and avoid any assumptions.
I suggest it’s a good habit to get into.
It’s a pointless habit to get into. If you do a correct manual entry on your card when inserting it then all is fine. Also even if you don’t do a manual entry it has never once became an infringement for me when I never used to manual entries on my card. If the card is out of the tacho it is assumed to be a rest period plain and simple. You also cannot end your duty on rest as we all know. You would also have to leave it on rest for a minute really anyway, as it’s has to be on a mode for at least 30 secs to count that activity, anything less than 30 secs and it won’t record that activity.
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If you read my post properly you’ll see that I DO make a manual entry the following morning; and as I stated, the whole point of the manual entry is that it is a declaration that you have taken the rest period as opposed to an assumption. By putting it on rest the night before, it comes up on rest when I put my card in and avoids finger trouble when you’re half asleep at 4 am.
My previous employer (ForFarmers) was fussy to the point of ■■■■ when it came to compliance, they’d been advised by DVSA to do it this way, so that’s good enough for me.
10killeen10:
Had a few days off, put my card in this morning and the tacho says i need a break and have drove over 141 hours.
Done the printouts.
Any advice on any other precautions i should take.Sent from my VOG-L09 using Tapatalk
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Dont forget to ask for the overtime !
